T.V. commercials having live feed to the game

[Dangerfield]

I did not mean most of what you just assumed in your post. I simply think that without members, you have no site. It seems like you do not tolerate any type of critical feedback, so I'll stop...fair enough?

[admin]

Didn't answer a single question... just like I figured. If it's a two way street then why are you copping out on everything asked with a very cavalier and weak, "I did not mean most of what you just assumed in your post"

Well correct me then...

How many shirts have you bought?
Do you pay to be here?
WHY SHOULD I BE GRATEFUL?

You're basing your stance on the assumption that people have purchased some sort of customer service, so I'm curious to know what you paid to demand yours? Or what gives you the impression that collectively the forum has purchased some right to have a say in how the place is run?

Without members we'd have no site? Why? We had the site before the board existed and will probably have the site long after the board is closed. What gives you the impression that we need the board? We as a staff have even talked about closing the board, or at least closing registration. Our site's exclusive content has always stood alone. I'll tell you something right now, running the site would cost us a lot more were it not for the small amount of advertising that we have on the website.... the same can't be said of the board. If we had to rely on the pittance that the board ads generate we wouldn't even have been able to have bought a podcast setup.

If I don't tolerate critical feedback, then how are you reading this? If I didn't tolerate it, I'd have deleted it wouldn't I? I think what you fail to recognize is that just as you're free to post your critical feedback, i'm free to respond to it. Don't confuse 'don't tolerate' with 'don't agree' or 'having the right to refute what was said'.

And since there are a bunch of newbies that seem to be of this new 'you owe me' ilk, it doesn't just apply to you, but you're the one who needed an explanation.

I'll say it again for you, you don't have to like THN... but you aren't going to change it. And I'm putting a stop to all of the people that think it's their god-given right to even try and do so. If you don't like the rules here, or the way they are enforced, then please just go elsewhere.

And now with the new rule in place, the mods won't have to endure such drivel any more than a few times from anyone.

[Dangerfield]

I didn't answer your questions specifically because I was over this whole thing and I'm trying not to go further off topic and have a personal conversation with you in an open forum. But since you seem to want me to (You did call me a cop-out), then here goes:

# of shirts bought?...0...what's your point? I flat out said noone will support you financially when you have IMO a cavalier attitude.

Do I pay to be here?...Of course not..but I do click on your ads, and I do TRY to be a good poster...I'll stand by my 2 months worth of posts as someone who attempts to bring valid discussion to the board.

Why should you be grateful?...I'm not going to change your mind obviously, but IMO when you run a website you should be grateful to all those that visit it...just to be clear this is only my oppinion.

As for the tolerating critical feedback thing, you just posted your note that any questioning of mods will be met with a suspension, and you say that noone will ever change the policies of the board. I don't want to argue semantics w/you, but that is a clear attitude that critical feedback is not welcome here. You may not delete the words, but you threaten to suspend.

Lastly, I have no interest in arguing anything else with you. I said earlier, I will cease ALL CRITICAL FEEDBACK. Why is this not enough? I'm done, I'll stick to redksins and talking to other members that are interesting to me. End of story ok?

[Fios]

I flat out said noone will support you financially when you have IMO a cavalier attitude.

Which one, Peter Noone or Nora-Jane Noone?
Please let it be the latter, she's kinda hot

[Dangerfield]

Nora-Jane

[admin]

If I wanted to END critcal feedback, I'd have made the rule something about just never questioning the moderators ever. What I said was that publicly challenging moderators would not be tolerated and that all moderation concerns should be taken to me or to the moderater by way of private message.

To me there's a big difference. I'm not saying that a moderator is absolutely right 100% of the time and that I'll always side with them regardless, I'm saying that I'll no longer tolerate this public questioning of the rules and those that enforce them... especially when it's a cut and dry case of applying a rule like the profanity rule.

You haven't bought a shirt, and I guess your argument is simply that you and many like you just haven't found enough reasons to support the site by buying a shirt with the site the way it is set up. I think that's just plain nonsense... and I think the number of people that ENJOY THN is significantly higher than the number of people that have contributed anything to THN. If the literally hundreds and hundreds of hours a week it takes to have exclusive daily content, blogs, podcasts, printable guides, cartoons, maintain the message board and much, much more isn't enough to earn someone buying a t-shirt and dropping $5 profit our way, then to be honest, I'm not much interested in doing more for your $5.

I should be grateful for the people that come to the site? Shouldn't you be grateful for all the great things that the site brings to Redskin fans? I mean, a patron of the site can get all kinds of great stuff at THN for absolutely nothing, that's something to be grateful about.

Other than destroying every drop of free time I have, and working with some really great people that are some of the biggest Redskin fans I've ever met... what should I be grateful for?

Truth is, my only allegiance is to the staff, my only gratitude - for the staff, the ones who put in time and effort and make the site happen every day. If we closed the board, some of them would lose a little Redskin banter... and gain a whole lot of free time. The site would still do all that we do and the board members would be the only ones who suffered... not the staff. We could maintain our own community from here on out and just be happy that we didn't have to worry about all the headaches that go along with maintaining this board.

We could even invite a few hundred of our friends... sounds like Utopia to me. Heck there are so many people here that DO appreciate the rules and environment that we have, that I doubt daily traffic would be much different at all. There'd be people that made the grade that would post ten times as much if they didn't have to fight throught the rhetoric that still gets through.

my advertisers wouldn't care.

My ad budget wouldn't suffer much.

At the risk of bursting your bubble, I'm just not arbitrarily grateful for every person that has the wherewithall to come into this community, and I'm not at all ashamed to admit it. Those of you that know me know that I certainly am very grateful for those of you that I have got to know, but to just say that all it takes is showing up here to earn my gratitude would be plain bull. Heck, it doesn't take anything but respecting the rules and those that enforce them, for me to enjoy someone's patronage, but it does take that..

There are literally hundreds of people here whose posts I enjoy, and whose patronage I DO respect and appreciate... many of whom I disagree with on a regular basis, but I still respect them. It's funny how they're usually the ones that extend me the same respect. And tenure soesn't seem to have anything to do with it either... I'd take a person who'd been here for a week and respected the rules over a person that had been here for 3 years and didn't any day.... and I'd take a whole board full of them if I could. And that's why I say if you agree with the rules, great, hang around, and abide by them. If you don't, no feelings are hurt, but I have no intention of changing the rules or the way they are enforced, so you may as well find another place to bleed burgundy and gold.

But thanks for taking the time to at least answer my questions this time, i didn't like the answers much but i appreciate the courtesy.

[Irn-Bru]

As for the tolerating critical feedback thing, you just posted your note that any questioning of mods will be met with a suspension, and you say that noone will ever change the policies of the board. I don't want to argue semantics w/you, but that is a clear attitude that critical feedback is not welcome here. You may not delete the words, but you threaten to suspend.

Dangerfield,

From the new announcement thread:

This constant bickering about locking threads and not agreeing with rules is over. From now on, if you want to challenge what a moderator has moderated... you do it with a private message to me or to the moderator. If it's something that was 'over-moderated' or misinterpreted, it'll get looked at. But there won't be many instances where you're going to see a change of heart and there won't be any where you see a change in the rules that they are enforcing.

There's no ban--or even threat to ban--involved for anyone that does us the courtesy of following website protocol. It seems clear to me that this site is not censoring anyone by asking them to follow one of the original rules:

If a poster has any questions or concerns about the rules or a moderator(s) decision, it is to be done in e-mail or as a private message.

I've happened to be involved with 3 or 4 of the 'questioning a mod' threads on this board in the past few weeks, and you may be surprised to learn that not a single person has taken anything up with me through PMs, but rather each poster has decided that it was fit to discuss on public threads on the board.

People generally understand when profanity is edited, or spam is removed, or wrongly placed threads get moved to the right forums, but for some reason there isn't an acceptance of the rule that I just cited above. . .and you act as if you are abused when asked to follow this rule (like you are all the other rules).

This is why Boss had to go out of his way to make a special announcement that we can point to. . .after all, a rule is no good if there is no one respecting it. BH felt like there needed to be some added emphasis so that posters wouldn't simply ignore moderators when asked to take things up through PMs.

It always comes back to one thing, which you will hear BH (probably the most dedicated Redskin fan that I know) say over and over again: THN is here to help people bleed B&G a little harder. There's no power struggle, no censoring, no shunning critical feedback here. . .just some volunteer staff trying to keep order using the same rules that were written when the message board started.

[Dangerfield]

I've happened to be involved with 3 or 4 of the 'questioning a mod' threads on this board in the past few weeks, and you may be surprised to learn that not a single person has taken anything up with me through PMs, but rather each poster has decided that it was fit to discuss on public threads on the board.

***Before you read this, please understand, I swear to you, I am not picking a fight. I am only responding directly to you because you are addressing me directly***

Irn, I get it, BH made it abundantly clear.

I ABSOLUTELY understand why PM's are good after this episode, in fact had this been followed, I would never have responded publicly:

From the rules:

Posts that violate the above terms will be edited or deleted upon discovery and a private message or e-mail sent to the offender.

When you called me out publicly, I responded in kind. I apologize, officially, and from now on I will use the PM. Thanks.

[1niksder]

It took 3 pages but by George I think he's got hit!

[Dangerfield]

Unneccessary cheap shot in wrong forum.

[1niksder]

Unneccessary cheap shot in wrong forum.

This whole public back and forth was unneccessary. Highjacking a thread is a cheapshot.


So it wasn't Unneccessary and it wasn't a cheapshot. but you were correct on the wrong part , because you still don't get it.

[Dangerfield]

It's very unusual to see a poll tied like this....as I write this, it's 5 to 5 to 5.

Very interesting. I may have to hang out in this thread to see if the tie-breaking vote gets cast.

Good thread Cappster!

It may end up being some sort of 'social experiment'

Depending on how the vote turns out of course.

[Cappster]

It's very unusual to see a poll tied like this....as I write this, it's 5 to 5 to 5.

Very interesting. I may have to hang out in this thread to see if the tie-breaking vote gets cast.

Good thread Cappster!

It may end up being some sort of 'social experiment'

Depending on how the vote turns out of course.

I am hoping to spark a tv revolution! I think some may be confused about the poll. The whole half and half screen IMO should only be when no plays are going. Kind of like the old satelitte feed but with commercials. Atleast I will have one game with out commercials this sunday .