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Dude, I don't know why all you guys just love to bash LaVar now because he's gone.

When I read the article, all he did was bash Snyder. He never once bashed Gibbs or Greg Williams. Now can you blame him for bashing Snyder...

Now I don't want the Giants to win the Super Bowl our beat us this year, but I would like to see LaVar do well.

I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey. Sure he got hurt and it all went downhill from there, but he was the only face of this organization pre-Gibbs and I loved his energy he brought to the Skins.

air_hog wrote:Dude, I don't know why all you guys just love to bash LaVar now because he's gone.

When I read the article, all he did was bash Snyder. He never once bashed Gibbs or Greg Williams. Now can you blame him for bashing Snyder...

Now I don't want the Giants to win the Super Bowl our beat us this year, but I would like to see LaVar do well.

I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey. Sure he got hurt and it all went downhill from there, but he was the only face of this organization pre-Gibbs and I loved his energy he brought to the Skins.

I still like the guy and still have his jersey, but comments that he makes about the REdskins, whether it be Danny or the trainer are just that, comments about the Redskins.

Now if you don't think that he has taken shots at the coaching staff, then i highly disagree with you. Not just with the Times article, but a couple of things he's said all summer have been shots at the current staff.

Look the bottom line is this. If we needed him, im sure that our coaching staff would have kept him. We don't just get rid of superstars to make a point. I would have wished Lavar well if he had gone out of division or even better out of conference, but the fact of the matter is, he is now an opponent twice a year and a NY a huge obstacle for us to get to the Super Bowl.

If you don't want to be viewed negatively, then KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, and i think that is what we are all saying. To Lavar, Antonio, Champ, Ryan Clark, Chad Morton, Darkarien, etc.........

DCGloryYears828791 wrote: We don't just get rid of superstars to make a point.

Actually, I'd like to think Gibbs (rightly) values character and team chemistry enough that he would get rid of a superstar just to make a point. (I'm thinking generally here, and not specifically about the LA situation.) If TO were on this team when Gibbs got here, and he (TO) was pulling the same stuff he pulled in Philly, do you think he'd still be here, or be gone?

I check all the papers and couldn't find him so I went to the best source on the web and still couldn't find him I found a Albright, Alston and a Archuleta but no other names that started with "A" I then checked the "L" and found a Lefotu, Lloyd, Lonie, and a Lumsden nothing to remotely tell me which Redskin is now going by the name of LA. I was going to move this to around the league but all of you seem to know this Redskin player (that I still can't find on the roster) so I'll leave it here

Can someone tell me who we are talking about.

I found a Lavar Arrington here but that was dead cap meaning he is no longer a Redskin. Last I heard he was in NY, did they send him back because he was defective or something? Why would he come back here?

Based on performance (not potential) LA was overpaid. IMO - He did the Redskins a favor by leaving. Now the Giants are talking about potential

Mursilis wrote:

DCGloryYears828791 wrote: We don't just get rid of superstars to make a point.

Actually, I'd like to think Gibbs (rightly) values character and team chemistry enough that he would get rid of a superstar just to make a point. (I'm thinking generally here, and not specifically about the LA situation.) If TO were on this team when Gibbs got here, and he (TO) was pulling the same stuff he pulled in Philly, do you think he'd still be here, or be gone?

That would not be to make a point. that would be for the good of the team.

SKINS#1 wrote:Based on performance (not potential) LA was overpaid. IMO - He did the Redskins a favor by leaving. Now the Giants are talking about potential

If you're talking about potential for a player wh's been in the NFL as long as he has, you have a problem.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason Campbell hasn't had problems with different schemes and he's playing a harder position then Arrington.

What?!?! Jason Campbell hasn't taken a single NFL snap. I'm not saying he's not talented, etc., but he hasn't played a second of a 'real' game. Sure, he was great in college, but so was Ryan Leaf. You can't compare the college game to the NFL game - if they were the same, there wouldn't be so many draft busts.

JC being able to adapt and succeed in new enviroments has nothing to do with the NFL. It speaks of him as a person and his attitude towards what he does. Every coach and scheme hasn't been something he's liked, but he excelled in them anyway. You dont hear him whining.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason Campbell hasn't had problems with different schemes and he's playing a harder position then Arrington.

What?!?! Jason Campbell hasn't taken a single NFL snap. I'm not saying he's not talented, etc., but he hasn't played a second of a 'real' game. Sure, he was great in college, but so was Ryan Leaf. You can't compare the college game to the NFL game - if they were the same, there wouldn't be so many draft busts.

I mean even Al Saunders echoes my sentiments...

Al Saunders wrote:The advantage of it is, is that he's had to adapt on a year to year basis - so adaption and change is not something that is dramatic for him......." (later) "There's partciular phases of the game that he's learning every single day, and we see a marked improvement, and he'll be ready to play, and play very well in this offense when the time is right.

Jasons ability to adapt speaks volumes about his character, heart and desire to be the best. It has nothing to do with his ability to perform what he's learned, he puts forth the effort. Crutches just whines. Now I agree that the coach carousel was retarded but he and AP still speak like its going on. They speak like its still an issue and keep "our" (im using that loosely cus im not too sure about some people) out of their mouths. Holding grudges like little girls.

lost almost all respect I had for him. He's like the new Pierce. Your not on the skins, why must you continue to talk about them? I haven't heard Champ say anything in a long time. Its rare to see other teams players bashing their former team.

"They let us all go," he said. "You can go further than just me, Ryan [Clark] and Antonio [Pierce]. Go back to Champ [Bailey]. Go back to Stephen Davis. Should I keep going? Go back to Brad Johnson. Even Marty [Schottenheimer]. We would be playing for Super Bowls had they kept Marty. And after [Steve] Spurrier left, that was it for me.

Clark wanted more than he was worth, Pierce was offered a fair deal, chose the coin, Champ stated he was leaving Gibbs was smart enough to get CP for him. Spurrier was a joke yet he mentioned him . Marty ball would have gotten us close if not there but he wanted to take the power instead of helping "the Danny" transform from fan to owner (it wasn't his job but if he had did it he would have kept the job he had longer). Davis and Johnson should have stayed.

"I know Snyder would love to keep people saying the things that have been said about me," Arrington said. "But he has to come up with some type of something about me in order to legitimize the dumb [stuff] that they do."

People will remember what they want about LA "the Danny" can't control that. Some only saw what he did on the field but not some of the quotes attributed to him, they'll always love him. Others will remember more and will loath him. I remember what he did on (4 yrs) and off (6 yrs) the field and don't feel one way or the other about him, simply because he's a active NFL player on someone else's roster. Twice a year a MAY think of him if he hasn't spent the previous week on a bike, but other than that why bother. No one at Redskin Park is talking about Lavar why is Lavar talking about Redskin Park

"It's the same old thing every year," he said. "They bring in somebody or do something to create some kind of buzz. I'm sold on the fact that they want to create a preseason buzz and don't care whether they win or lose so they can make more money."

With "Mr Redskin" there was always a buzz, normally something positive and Fan related even when he was hurt he created a buzz. FYI LA: We are Redskin fans (unpaid fans) we get a pre-season buzz just because we know what pre means.

"I was just happy to get out," he said. "I didn't have anybody on my radar other than guys that I had been close with in past years -- Marvin [Lewis in Cincinnati] and Coach [George] Edwards in Miami. I was focused on getting in contact with them. But I was so happy to get out of there, I didn't even care where I was going to end up."

He just wanted out, players force their way off of teams every year, none of them give millions back without a fight. LA wanted out before word got out about him. If he wanted to get with "guys he had been close with" then why didn't they want to get with him? Lewis got Lavar to play within his scheme only by having him put a hand on the ground (it made him better but he hated it ), Lewis has enough problems in Cincy. Edwards would have loved to have had him but Saban wasn't smelling what Arrington was cooking. In the end he got paid less than what he was askinf for and signed with a team that can't avoid getting him exposed twice a year by a divisional rival. The Gints have been hurting for linebackers for a couple of years now so you can blame them for taking a shot on a hurt linebacker.

"I'm so glad he's here -- he's going to bring great intensity to this team and it will be fun to watch him out there again," Morton said. "It was unfortunate what happened with the Redskins, but it's a shame sometimes how they do their star players. But things worked out for him -- he has a new team, some new money and we're glad to have him."

Chad missed the last few years so is input is pretty much baseless. New regime and he has never been a star so how would he know?

"We've got him at 100 percent and now it's up to him to respond. He's happy to be someplace else. That smile isn't fake."

That remains to be seen

"I don't want to be the focal point, I want to be a part of things and fit in the way they need me to," Arrington said. "With the personnel we have, there are so many good players on this defense, we want to make the whole unit the focal point."

He said that a few times the last few years, and then he'd go out on the field and shoot a gap when he should have been covering the flat. Action speaks louder than words and GW figured him out

patjam77 wrote:http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20060728-123029-1253r.htm

Wow...never thought I would say this but Arrington sounds like a whiny brat to me. This all after the Redskins made him a VERY wealthy man for many years.

I totaly agree. I used to be one of his biggest fans. I'm actually glad to see him go. I think for him, it was all about the money and doing his own thing.

BTW - Poston?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason Campbell hasn't had problems with different schemes and he's playing a harder position then Arrington.

What?!?! Jason Campbell hasn't taken a single NFL snap. I'm not saying he's not talented, etc., but he hasn't played a second of a 'real' game. Sure, he was great in college, but so was Ryan Leaf. You can't compare the college game to the NFL game - if they were the same, there wouldn't be so many draft busts.

I mean even Al Saunders echoes my sentiments...

Al Saunders wrote:The advantage of it is, is that he's had to adapt on a year to year basis - so adaption and change is not something that is dramatic for him......." (later) "There's partciular phases of the game that he's learning every single day, and we see a marked improvement, and he'll be ready to play, and play very well in this offense when the time is right.

Jasons ability to adapt speaks volumes about his character, heart and desire to be the best. It has nothing to do with his ability to perform what he's learned, he puts forth the effort. Crutches just whines. Now I agree that the coach carousel was retarded but he and AP still speak like its going on. They speak like its still an issue and keep "our" (im using that loosely cus im not too sure about some people) out of their mouths. Holding grudges like little girls.

Holding grudges like little girls is what some of the people around here are doing. Why even create threads about him if you're glad he's gone? Let it go.
And comparing LA to JC is still ludicrous - LA went to three Pro Bowls for this team. JC's held a clipboard. JC will be great in the future, but by this time in his career, LA had already played in 16 games.

air_hog wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

OH MY GOD!

That's a big difference between you both and me!!

Once a Skins player leaves for another team, I immediately trash his Skins jersey. You will never in your (or my) lifetime ever catch me wearing a Lavar Arrington Redskins jersey.

That's an insult to the Redskins and Redskins fans alike, IMO.

I agree and I'll leave it at that.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason Campbell hasn't had problems with different schemes and he's playing a harder position then Arrington.

What?!?! Jason Campbell hasn't taken a single NFL snap. I'm not saying he's not talented, etc., but he hasn't played a second of a 'real' game. Sure, he was great in college, but so was Ryan Leaf. You can't compare the college game to the NFL game - if they were the same, there wouldn't be so many draft busts.

I mean even Al Saunders echoes my sentiments...

Al Saunders wrote:The advantage of it is, is that he's had to adapt on a year to year basis - so adaption and change is not something that is dramatic for him......." (later) "There's partciular phases of the game that he's learning every single day, and we see a marked improvement, and he'll be ready to play, and play very well in this offense when the time is right.

Jasons ability to adapt speaks volumes about his character, heart and desire to be the best. It has nothing to do with his ability to perform what he's learned, he puts forth the effort. Crutches just whines. Now I agree that the coach carousel was retarded but he and AP still speak like its going on. They speak like its still an issue and keep "our" (im using that loosely cus im not too sure about some people) out of their mouths. Holding grudges like little girls.

Holding grudges like little girls is what some of the people around here are doing. Why even create threads about him if you're glad he's gone? Let it go.
And comparing LA to JC is still ludicrous - LA went to three Pro Bowls for this team. JC's held a clipboard. JC will be great in the future, but by this time in his career, LA had already played in 16 games.

Not sure who that shot at was intended too aboout creating a thread aboout LA but I started this to inform everyone that there was an article about this. I am upset that he is gone, he was my favorite player and I still believe he can play, but his words are dissappointing and it makes him out to be a child who can easily throw mud once he's out f the situation. The skins made him a rich man many times over and Dan Snyder does not run this team anymore, Gibbs does. LA is way off base and his words are uncalled for.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason Campbell hasn't had problems with different schemes and he's playing a harder position then Arrington.

What?!?! Jason Campbell hasn't taken a single NFL snap. I'm not saying he's not talented, etc., but he hasn't played a second of a 'real' game. Sure, he was great in college, but so was Ryan Leaf. You can't compare the college game to the NFL game - if they were the same, there wouldn't be so many draft busts.

Gibbs never would have drafted Ryan Leaf

Justice Hog wrote:

air_hog wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

OH MY GOD!

That's a big difference between you both and me!!

Once a Skins player leaves for another team, I immediately trash his Skins jersey. You will never in your (or my) lifetime ever catch me wearing a Lavar Arrington Redskins jersey.

That's an insult to the Redskins and Redskins fans alike, IMO.

As I and others have pointed out before, Art Monk played for the Eagles and Jets after he left (actually, I think he was released by) the skins. I still have his jersey and wear it with pride. Sometimes it stinks when a good player leaves or is forced out, but that doesn't diminish what they did for this team. Guys like LA and Stephen Davis are now on other rosters, but I appreciate the time they spent in the burgundy and gold.

Mursilis wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:

air_hog wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

OH MY GOD!

That's a big difference between you both and me!!

Once a Skins player leaves for another team, I immediately trash his Skins jersey. You will never in your (or my) lifetime ever catch me wearing a Lavar Arrington Redskins jersey.

That's an insult to the Redskins and Redskins fans alike, IMO.

As I and others have pointed out before, Art Monk played for the Eagles and Jets after he left (actually, I think he was released by) the skins. I still have his jersey and wear it with pride. Sometimes it stinks when a good player leaves or is forced out, but that doesn't diminish what they did for this team. Guys like LA and Stephen Davis are now on other rosters, but I appreciate the time they spent in the burgundy and gold.

Exactly. Sure LaVar left a sour taste in Skins fans mouths, but you have to remember the years when he basically the face of the franchise.

Now I still hope the Giants go 0-16 and I want CP to break LaVar's ankles sooooo bad, but I still like the guys energy and personality and all those years he put some pride in the Redskins.

Mursilis wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:

air_hog wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:I still like the guy and I'll still wear his jersey.

OH MY GOD!

That's a big difference between you both and me!!

Once a Skins player leaves for another team, I immediately trash his Skins jersey. You will never in your (or my) lifetime ever catch me wearing a Lavar Arrington Redskins jersey.

That's an insult to the Redskins and Redskins fans alike, IMO.

As I and others have pointed out before, Art Monk played for the Eagles and Jets after he left (actually, I think he was released by) the skins. I still have his jersey and wear it with pride. Sometimes it stinks when a good player leaves or is forced out, but that doesn't diminish what they did for this team. Guys like LA and Stephen Davis are now on other rosters, but I appreciate the time they spent in the burgundy and gold.

I think making it a sin to not burn my lavar arrington jersey is taking this a little too far. Look, the guy was a good player for us while he was here, he ended a Cowboy career and the only way that i would have burned his jersey is if he had gone to the Cowgirls. Then Lavar would have been dead to me. but to say that its an insult to Redskins fans is ludacris. do you know how many Smoot jerseys, Stephen Davis, Brad Johnson jersey's you see in the stands every sunday??? Are you going to tell me that becuase im not going to throw away or even worse that if i wear my jersey im insulting every Redskin fan?? Get real. I love the Skins, and i hate Lavar for running his mouth, but you are no greater a fan of this team than i am. I respect your opinion, and respectfully disagree with you.

If there are any Giants fans that come to this forum, or if there are any Redskins fans who still wonder why we got rid of, or more appropriately, let Arrington go, it can all be summed up in one play as a perfect example of just how un-coachable and how LaVar refuses to play "within the system" that led to his ultimate demise. There are numerous instances throughout his carreer not just with the Redskins but also while he was with Penn State that highlight his style of play which ultimately is to the detriment of the team. Both Redskins fans as well as Giants fans can remember it, but those that don't, let me point it out to you:

Against the New York Giants at FedEx field last year, the Redskins defense was doing an outstanding job of effectively taking Tiki Barber out of the game by stopping the run, but I believe it was 3rd and 1 with the Giants driving. The Redskins lined up on defense to try and prevent what was obviously going to be a running play. It appeared that LaVar Arrington, along with other linebackers, were going to blitz and the playclock was down to about 3 seconds. LaVar, sensing that he might be able to break through the line of scrimmage as soon as the ball was snapped, did just that and pummeled the center and Eli Manning before grabbing Tiki Barber and brining him down for a loss behind the line of scrimmage. Without looking at the play clock, it appeared that Arrington made a spectacular play by timing his break just right to where he sped through the line of scrimmage and decked the center, Manning, and Barber seemingly stopping the Giants for a loss and turning the ball over to the Redskins.

As soon as Arrington made what appeared to be a spectacular play, he jumped up in excitement wallowing in the attention he was getting for making such a spectacular play. Immediately, flags were thrown and Arrington was flagged for offside thus giving the Giants a first down and continuing their drive.

What looked like a spectacular play by an obviously gifted athlete, was nothing more than a highlight of just how undisciplined and selfish Arrington can be. Did the Redskins defensive plan call for him to bullrush the line of scrimmage and try and pummel the center, Manning, and Barber? Instead, Arrington was called for offside and again, instead of helping the whole team, hurt the team while trying to show off to the world how athletic and capable he is of making the big play.

Too many times did Arrington try and "time" his break in order to get across the line of scrimmage and show everyone how athletic he is when in reality, all he does is harm the team by receiving un-necessary and costly penalties. He did it against Tampa Bay when he tried to show off to the National TV audience his patented "LaVar Leap", and he's done it on numerous occasions that hurt the team.

The problem is this, the Redskins defensive schemes are not so liberal as to give ANY one player that much freedom to do as he chooses. If anyone thinks that Gregg Williams said to LaVar "do whatever you can do to stop the run", they're wrong. LaVar, while being an incredibly gifted athlete, is/was detrimental to the team because he always wanted to make that one "BIG" play that makes it look like he is an elite linebacker capable of making such big plays, without thinking of what his role is on the team. Williams schemes, as everyone knows, is all about being where they're supposed to be, and not deviating from what the plan is. Arrington, thinking that if he makes that one "big play" all will be forgiven, too often hurt the team by making his own decisions to do his own thing without regard to what he was being asked to do.

If anyone remembers that play against the Giants, that is a perfect example of why Arrington was a detriment to the team and subsequently let go. Now, with the Giants, LaVar will do the same thing trying to show off to the New York fans and media that he is an incredibly gifted athlete by making that big play. It'll hurt them more than it'll help them.

No one can doubt his athletic ability, but then again, you can't doubt the atheltic ability of ANY player in the NFL, but what matters is are you willing to do what is asked of you without going off on your own tangent trying to show everyone what you can do.

LaVar, unfortunately, was more focused on trying to show the world how many big plays he can make instaed of doing what was asked of him. Had he been more disciplined in doing what was asked of him, LaVar would have excelled in Gregg Williams defense, just as Marcus Washington, and all the other Redskins defensive players have.

JPFair wrote:LaVar, unfortunately, was more focused on trying to show the world how many big plays he can make instaed of doing what was asked of him. Had he been more disciplined in doing what was asked of him, LaVar would have excelled in Gregg Williams defense, just as Marcus Washington, and all the other Redskins defensive players have.

Lavar always played this way At Penn State they left him run free, His first few years he was "Mr. Redskin" and did as he pleased. The flaws were always there but with So many others also freelancing it was only noticed by a few. When Lewis came in and wanted discipline from his players Lavar had a issue with Marvin. Marvin stuck him on the line to prove a point and it benifited the Skins. Lavar felt it was his talent alone that gave him his best sack totals, so he learned nothing about playing within a scheme (even when it made him better).

I agree with the post, about what LaVar could have been, unfortunately he'll always be trying to relive the PennState "LaVar Leap" or a play that will surpass that. He will always be out of position, and over running plays, It will continue to hurt the team that he plays on and the fans will still love him for his effort (those that have little knowledge of his motivation anyway)

Nice read JPFair

The posts by 1niksder (2) and by JPFair are exactly to the point and remind us why we are so lucky to have this site and so many knowlegeable fans supporting it.

LA (and the media) will continue to play up to the fans and the press - that is what they do - everything will be distorted and most likely reported out of context to try and sell more papers. Arrington was here and now he's with the Giants. He might help them, but Williams (and Gibbs) felt that we were better off without him. That is good enough for me and I have an inkling that they might be right.

1niksder wrote:

"I was just happy to get out," he said. "I didn't have anybody on my radar other than guys that I had been close with in past years -- Marvin [Lewis in Cincinnati] and Coach [George] Edwards in Miami. I was focused on getting in contact with them. But I was so happy to get out of there, I didn't even care where I was going to end up."

He just wanted out, players force their way off of teams every year, none of them give millions back without a fight. LA wanted out before word got out about him. If he wanted to get with "guys he had been close with" then why didn't they want to get with him? Lewis got Lavar to play within his scheme only by having him put a hand on the ground (it made him better but he hated it ), Lewis has enough problems in Cincy.

Actually, Lewis did try to get LA this year. Lewis was quoted in March as saying:

“I think so,” Lewis said when asked if Arrington would be a fit. “We’ve talked about it. He likes to be in the eye of the storm. He likes that. He relishes that. I love that. In my opinion, he’s a great talent.”

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