Honestly, what do you think of Tony Blair?

Wanna talk about politics, your favorite hockey team... vegetarian recipes?

So, what do you think of the UK's Prime Minister?

Tony's a great guy - I wish he was President
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13%
He's Bush's poodle - a partner in crime
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38%
Nice teeth, but what does he stand for?
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No votes
Neither like nor dislike him
3
38%
Who's Tony Blair?
1
13%
 
Total votes: 8

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Redskin in Canada wrote:
An intense and emotional debate is not synonymous with a -good- and -rational- debate. The absence of -proof-, the absence of -evidence- led France, Germany, the two US mainland neighbours Canada and Mexico, and eventually the UN General Assembly to adopt policies based on international law.

The quality of the debate and its eventual outcome in the UK was based mostly on the credibility of its Prime Minister (and the collateral benefit and greed associated with being on that side, a cynic might add). You know how that one went. A lame duck? Who cares? We all have a much bigger problem now from geographical, political and security perspectives than the lost "credibility" of any two national political leaders can place a bet on: a tragic, lasting legacy to be sorted out by their successors.

After further review, I'll change my answer! I maintain that the level of debate that took place in the UK was higher than anywhere else. However, in this case, by "level", I am referring to quantity, not quality. No other nation could possibly have indulged in as much debate on the matter as the UK. The problem was that nobody in the debate was using facts. The irony is that, had we had a Conservative government proposing the use of force, the level of debate and cross examination from the Labour benches would have been far better than that which we saw from the Tories on this occasion.
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UK Skins Fan wrote:I maintain that the level of debate that took place in the UK was higher than anywhere else. However, in this case, by "level", I am referring to quantity, not quality.
Agreed.

UK Skins Fan wrote:The problem was that nobody in the debate was using facts.
Agreed.

UK Skins Fan wrote:The irony is that, had we had a Conservative government proposing the use of force, the level of debate and cross examination from the Labour benches would have been far better than that which we saw from the Tories on this occasion.
Agreed.

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Redskin in Canada wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:I maintain that the level of debate that took place in the UK was higher than anywhere else. However, in this case, by "level", I am referring to quantity, not quality.
Agreed.

UK Skins Fan wrote:The problem was that nobody in the debate was using facts.
Agreed.

UK Skins Fan wrote:The irony is that, had we had a Conservative government proposing the use of force, the level of debate and cross examination from the Labour benches would have been far better than that which we saw from the Tories on this occasion.
Agreed.

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had we had a Conservative government proposing the use of force, the level of debate and cross examination from the Labour benches would have been far better than that which we saw from the Tories on this occasion.


Is that a function of the quality Tories in positions to speak, or of a token oppostion and tacit approval of the actions?
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Countertrey wrote:Is that a function of the quality Tories in positions to speak, or of a token oppostion and tacit approval of the actions?

Well, the Tories still don't know what their position on the war is/was. Bizarrely, their former leader, Michael Howard, attempted to have his bread buttered on both sides by claiming that Blair had led us on a false escapade and had manipulated intelligence, whilst simultaneously confirming that he would have gone to war anyway if he had been Prime Minister. As a party, the Conservatives were in favour of the war - only the Liberal Democrats were fundamentally opposed, and their arguments never achieved a great deal of traction. In fact, looking back, I honestly can't remember what their argument was.

The only persuasive argument that was given during the run up to Iraq was that given by Tony Blair, and there was a complete absence of any worthwhile opposing argument. The only arguments against the war seemed to be those of the various groups opposed to wars in general. Well, aren't we all, when presented with alternatives?
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UK Skins Fan wrote:The only arguments against the war seemed to be those of the various groups opposed to wars in general. Well, aren't we all, when presented with alternatives?

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