Is Bush a national embarrassment?

[yupchagee]

I'm talking about election fraud

Pot? Meet Kettle.

I'm guessing by that comment, you are saying that the Dems also engage in voter fraud. Oh touche! You got me there! Yes, there have been ballot stuffing instances in the past, but it is much harder to vote extra times these days. Please don't talk about going into homeless shelters to get the homeless to vote, unless you are saying that the homeless don't have that right. The way I see it, Democratic voter "fraud" is about getting as many people to vote as possible. Republican voter fraud is all about vote suppression. That being said, I don't condone any voting fraud. I think elections are the backbone of a democracy, and should be as transparent and as fair as possible.

Dem voter fraud is about ineligible people voting. Convicted felons (overwhelmingly Dem), nursing home residents voting in incredibly high numbers despite the fact that many are unable to follow the news & couldn't even name a candidate. Bribing the homeless to vote their way.

If a voter is ineligable, he should not be allowed to vote. But you seem to be saying that convicted felons (in states where they are allowed to vote), the elderly, and the homeless should not have the right to vote. How can you bribe someone to vote one way or another? How can you be sure they won't take your bribe, and then vote however they choose? You're grasping on that one!

On the subject of supressing the vote, Dems sabotaged cars reps used to get out the vote, & remember the Dem effort to supress votes by members of the armed forces?

The car charge is laughable, and no, I don't think Democrats ever tried to suppress the military vote. I think that is more Republican talking points.

Obviously I'm talking about states where convicted felons aren't allowed to vote. As for nursing homes, I'm talking about other people using their names to vote more than once. You can't be 100% sure people will vote the way you bribe them, but that doesn't stop some from trying. Several family members of Dem officials have been convicted of the car charges. The Dems definitely tried to supress the military vote in FL in 2000. You'd better get out of your glass house.

[Deadskins]

What's funny is that I'm not even a Democrat, I'm just calling it like I see it. All of the Republicans are corrupt and about 60-80% of the Dems are. But if I have to choose between the two, and I do, I will take the Dems any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Now can we please get back to the Chimp in Chief? As UKSF pointed out, what does all of this have to do with whether or not Bush is a national embarrassment? Quit trying to change the subject. If you want to start a thread about election fraud, go ahead. I'll post to it. Just quit hijacking this thread. Defend your boy W's behavior at the G8, or don't, I could really not care less. As the vote stands now, it's 3-1 that he IS a national embarrassment. No one has posted to stand behind their "no" vote, and two people think he is, but won't admit it. Sounds the same as the four who voted "no" to me. The difference is that they won't admit it to themselves, either.

[Countertrey]

JSPB22 wrote:

Now can we please get back to the Chimp in Chief? As UKSF pointed out, what does all of this have to do with whether or not Bush is a national embarrassment? Quit trying to change the subject. If you want to start a thread about election fraud, go ahead. I'll post to it. Just quit hijacking this thread.

Well, actually, here's where the thread got hijacked to the subject of election fraud... I can't seem to recall who wrote it.... maybe you can?

That's if you believe that he was actually ever fairly elected. I believe that the fix was in, and we had a successful coup d'état in 2000.

[Deadskins]

I was responding to BossHog's post that we elected him twice. I don't believe that to be true, and I said do. I was not inviting a discussion about voter fraud in the two elections. But touche, I did go along for the ride. Now I'm asking you to help me get the thread back on track. Are you willing to do that?

[Countertrey]

Now I'm asking you to help me get the thread back on track. Are you willing to do that?

Heck, get back on topic, and I have nothing to contribute (you'll notice that I had no posts in this thread until well after it was already off topic... I was not able to let the election comments...)

I'm out.

[Deadskins]

Heck, get back on topic, and I have nothing to contribute

How about discussing your vote, unless you are one of the "won't admit it" complement?

[crazyhorse1]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.
The people to blame are the people who voted for him, especially those who excuse his stolen elections and many other crimes, including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis and thousands of Americans.l

[yupchagee]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.
The people to blame are the people who voted for him, especially those who excuse his stolen elections and many other crimes, including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis and thousands of Americans.l

Bush beat you twice. If he's a moron, what does that make you?

[DesertSkin]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.

Valid opinion....

including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis

....discredited by created supporting evidence.

[crazyhorse1]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.

Valid opinion....

including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis

....discredited by created supporting evidence.

Both the British medical Journal Lanclet and Johns Hopkins University surveyed Iraq two years ago and released reports that approximately 100,000 Iraqi's had already been killed at that time. General Tommy Franks admitted that U/S. body counts (currently over 40,000) were grossly inaccurate and said that we were fighting a war, not attempted to make comprehensive counts.
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20352/

[crazyhorse1]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.

[crazyhorse1]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.
The people to blame are the people who voted for him, especially those who excuse his stolen elections and many other crimes, including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis and thousands of Americans.l

Bush beat you twice. If he's a moron, what does that make you?

Virtually everyone in the country knows how Bush won in Florida against Gore...and its more than obvious how he won Ohio against Kerry. The guy's a disgrace. As for whether I'm smarter than Bush, of course I am. So were most of the people in my graduating class in college. If Bush weren't the son of a president, he'd never gotten near the Ivy league and almost certainly would have flunked out of college, like Chaney. On his own, it' s doubtful he could have risen to an executive position even in the most lowly company. He's miserably failed in absolutely every job he's ever had. He's incredibly immature and offensive. The word is that he has security officers assigned to making sure no one steals a sample of his urine or stool for analysis ... presumably to keep him from being nailed for drugs.

[UK Skins Fan]

Anyway, to return to the topic of the thread. Oh, never mind.

Actually, I think I might start a thread about Tony Blair, just to find out whether you guys can talk about anything else but an election that is now in the history books.

Thank you, I would welcome a thread of the same nature regarding Tony Blair. As for this thread's topic, what do you think?

Ah, well - do I really have any place telling Americans whether their president is a national embarrassment?

I will tell you what my perception of GWB is, and I can tell you with some certainty that my perception is the same as that shared by the great majority of UK citizens who care. My perception is that Bush is way out of his depth. He comes across as arrogant, somewhat lacking in mental dexterity, and seems to see the world in a worryingly simplistic way. He honestly seems to view the world as one of political black and white, a biblical battleground, where absolutes exist. His decision making seems to be that of the lowest common denominator.

The electoral success of Bush now, and Clinton before him, seems to herald the triumph of style over substance. Of course, the fact that neither opposition party seemed able to put up an electable candidate in each of the last four elections helped both Bush and Clinton as well.

That's my view. Not necessarily a well informed one, but most of the rest of the world probably judges Bush on exactly the same criteria as me. I don't care what he does with taxes, medicare, or welfare, but I do care whether the "Leader of the Free World" has the ability to carry out that leadership role competently.

[Cappster]

What's funny is that I'm not even a Democrat, I'm just calling it like I see it. All of the Republicans are corrupt and about 60-80% of the Dems are. But if I have to choose between the two, and I do, I will take the Dems any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Now can we please get back to the Chimp in Chief? As UKSF pointed out, what does all of this have to do with whether or not Bush is a national embarrassment? Quit trying to change the subject. If you want to start a thread about election fraud, go ahead. I'll post to it. Just quit hijacking this thread. Defend your boy W's behavior at the G8, or don't, I could really not care less. As the vote stands now, it's 3-1 that he IS a national embarrassment. No one has posted to stand behind their "no" vote, and two people think he is, but won't admit it. Sounds the same as the four who voted "no" to me. The difference is that they won't admit it to themselves, either.

I voted NO for thinking Bush is an idiot and i am here to admit it. I will not go into why I don't think Bush is an idiot but by looking at the posts already, everyone has their own view and that will not change. I do not wish to get in a big debate that will go nowhere(all it does is give both sides a headache). That is why I didn't post anything until now.

I will say I believe everything happens for a reason. There is a reason Bush is in office. Like it or not, he is going to be there for 2 1/2 more years. Only time will tell if he was a good/bad president. Flame me if you wish but I said all I had to say.

Have a nice day!

[BossHog]

Is there a reason some of you don't know what 'on topic' means?

Is there a reason some of you can't fathom that it's a rule like all of the others and is grounds for suspending your account privileges?

This thread is about Bush... not about the election.

It's ALWAYS the same people that can't grasp the concept too. Let this serve as a warning that rules are expected to be abided by in ALL forums, in ALL threads. Failure to do so, convolutes the board for everyone and will not be condoned.

I know this is a really difficult concept even for some of the adults here but here it goes,

START A NEW THREAD.

Nobody is trying to curb anything you say, we just want it to be in the right place. If you guys want to go around and around in circles on horses you've already flogged to death, then be my guest. But please do it in the appropriate thread so that those that are not even remotely interested can just choose to ignore the whole thing.

Some of you are getting a little lax in obeying rules. We've tried to be a little more liberal with it being the off-season and boredom running high.

But the season is upon us... and some of you may want to take this opportunity to review the board's rules and regulations. Otherwise, you may find your posting privileges temporarily suspended or even taken away completely.

[tcwest10]

An analogy could be interpreted as "on topic", you know.

[Deadskins]

discredited by created supporting evidence.

So the supporting evidence was "created," and you think that makes it discrediting?

[Deadskins]

What's funny is that I'm not even a Democrat, I'm just calling it like I see it. All of the Republicans are corrupt and about 60-80% of the Dems are. But if I have to choose between the two, and I do, I will take the Dems any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Now can we please get back to the Chimp in Chief? As UKSF pointed out, what does all of this have to do with whether or not Bush is a national embarrassment? Quit trying to change the subject. If you want to start a thread about election fraud, go ahead. I'll post to it. Just quit hijacking this thread. Defend your boy W's behavior at the G8, or don't, I could really not care less. As the vote stands now, it's 3-1 that he IS a national embarrassment. No one has posted to stand behind their "no" vote, and two people think he is, but won't admit it. Sounds the same as the four who voted "no" to me. The difference is that they won't admit it to themselves, either.

I voted NO for thinking Bush is an idiot and i am here to admit it. I will not go into why I don't think Bush is an idiot but by looking at the posts already, everyone has their own view and that will not change. I do not wish to get in a big debate that will go nowhere(all it does is give both sides a headache). That is why I didn't post anything until now.

I will say I believe everything happens for a reason. There is a reason Bush is in office. Like it or not, he is going to be there for 2 1/2 more years. Only time will tell if he was a good/bad president. Flame me if you wish but I said all I had to say.

Have a nice day!

I wasn't asking you to say why you don't think he's an idiot. But, by your "no" vote, are you saying that you think it is OK for the "leader of the free world" to act with such little decorum at a summit of world leaders?

[yupchagee]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.
The people to blame are the people who voted for him, especially those who excuse his stolen elections and many other crimes, including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis and thousands of Americans.l

Bush beat you twice. If he's a moron, what does that make you?

Virtually everyone in the country knows how Bush won in Florida against Gore...and its more than obvious how he won Ohio against Kerry. The guy's a disgrace. As for whether I'm smarter than Bush, of course I am. So were most of the people in my graduating class in college. If Bush weren't the son of a president, he'd never gotten near the Ivy league and almost certainly would have flunked out of college, like Chaney. On his own, it' s doubtful he could have risen to an executive position even in the most lowly company. He's miserably failed in absolutely every job he's ever had. He's incredibly immature and offensive. The word is that he has security officers assigned to making sure no one steals a sample of his urine or stool for analysis ... presumably to keep him from being nailed for drugs.

Every recount in FL showed Bush won. He carried OH by over 100,000 votes. Kerry carried lots of states by less. When Bush went to college GHWB wasn't pres. He had not even been UN ambassador or CIA director at that time. Without connections neither, Albert Gore Jr. nor John Forbes Kerry would have been admitted to Ivy League schools either.

For a "failure" he has certainly pinned the Dems ears back. He deserves credit for the Reps sucess in '02 & '04 Congressional elections. The "word" about his security guards is pure garbage, I don't know where you get this stuff. Oh, wait, I forgot, you write fiction for a living.

[Deadskins]

Now, that's a short attention span!

[crazyhorse1]

I can't blame Bush for thinking he's presidential material-- he's a moron.
The people to blame are the people who voted for him, especially those who excuse his stolen elections and many other crimes, including killing several hundred thousand Iraqis and thousands of Americans.l

Bush beat you twice. If he's a moron, what does that make you?

Virtually everyone in the country knows how Bush won in Florida against Gore...and its more than obvious how he won Ohio against Kerry. The guy's a disgrace. As for whether I'm smarter than Bush, of course I am. So were most of the people in my graduating class in college. If Bush weren't the son of a president, he'd never gotten near the Ivy league and almost certainly would have flunked out of college, like Chaney. On his own, it' s doubtful he could have risen to an executive position even in the most lowly company. He's miserably failed in absolutely every job he's ever had. He's incredibly immature and offensive. The word is that he has security officers assigned to making sure no one steals a sample of his urine or stool for analysis ... presumably to keep him from being nailed for drugs.

Every recount in FL showed Bush won. He carried OH by over 100,000 votes. Kerry carried lots of states by less. When Bush went to college GHWB wasn't pres. He had not even been UN ambassador or CIA director at that time. Without connections neither, Albert Gore Jr. nor John Forbes Kerry would have been admitted to Ivy League schools either.

For a "failure" he has certainly pinned the Dems ears back. He deserves credit for the Reps sucess in '02 & '04 Congressional elections. The "word" about his security guards is pure garbage, I don't know where you get this stuff. Oh, wait, I forgot, you write fiction for a living.

Boss Hog has recently instructed us not to get off topic in the threads. I am complying with his instruction.

[BossHog]

Boss Hog has recently instructed us not to get off topic in the threads. I am complying with his instruction.

Please don't use me as a crutch.

All anyone EVER has to do is click on the 'new Topic' button to start an entirly different themed topic... it ain't rocket science, it ain't difficult, and it certainly ain't grounds for stopping ANY conversation that you guys want to have.

[Cappster]

What's funny is that I'm not even a Democrat, I'm just calling it like I see it. All of the Republicans are corrupt and about 60-80% of the Dems are. But if I have to choose between the two, and I do, I will take the Dems any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Now can we please get back to the Chimp in Chief? As UKSF pointed out, what does all of this have to do with whether or not Bush is a national embarrassment? Quit trying to change the subject. If you want to start a thread about election fraud, go ahead. I'll post to it. Just quit hijacking this thread. Defend your boy W's behavior at the G8, or don't, I could really not care less. As the vote stands now, it's 3-1 that he IS a national embarrassment. No one has posted to stand behind their "no" vote, and two people think he is, but won't admit it. Sounds the same as the four who voted "no" to me. The difference is that they won't admit it to themselves, either.

I voted NO for thinking Bush is an idiot and i am here to admit it. I will not go into why I don't think Bush is an idiot but by looking at the posts already, everyone has their own view and that will not change. I do not wish to get in a big debate that will go nowhere(all it does is give both sides a headache). That is why I didn't post anything until now.

I will say I believe everything happens for a reason. There is a reason Bush is in office. Like it or not, he is going to be there for 2 1/2 more years. Only time will tell if he was a good/bad president. Flame me if you wish but I said all I had to say.

Have a nice day!

I wasn't asking you to say why you don't think he's an idiot. But, by your "no" vote, are you saying that you think it is OK for the "leader of the free world" to act with such little decorum at a summit of world leaders?

I think we all have to realize that "leaders" of countries are just normal people in a very public place. I am sure someone at your job has done something to make you feel uncomfortable or vice versa but it wasn't caught on tape for the world to see. I am sure that someone has said something behind your back and vice versa but again, it wasn't with 100 cameras pointed at you and a microphone for the whole building to hear.

With some of the things that Bush does I think he is just showing his personality. I don't think he meant anything sexual coming up behind the German Chancellor and grabbing her shoulders. I also think that he was right when he was caught saying "Syria needs to quit their S@%#". He is saying what most Americans would say(and that is the way a lot of us would say it).

I think things get blown out of proportion way too often. Everyone has their own opinion on how a president should act. If he is a "representative" of the people, it seems to me that he is right on the guidelines with how people act in this country. I will admit he is kindof goofy but that doesn't mean he acts like a chimp(atleast to me).

[yupchagee]

I think things get blown out of proportion way too often. Everyone has their own opinion on how a president should act. If he is a "representative" of the people, it seems to me that he is right on the guidelines with how people act in this country. I will admit he is kindof goofy but that doesn't mean he acts like a chimp(atleast to me).

Things get blown out of proportion because people have too much time on their hands &/or an agenda to push.

[Countertrey]

How about discussing your vote, unless you are one of the "won't admit it" complement?

I did not, and will not vote, for two reasons.

1. There is no selection that matches my opinion.
2. The premise of your poll is deliberately flawed, and designed to obtain a narrow and pre-ordained result which is fully negative from the perspective of Bush's supporters.

It's kind of like asking a person "So, did you stop beating your wife yet?" and allowing them to answer only yes or no. No matter how you respond, you are scum.