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Justice Hog wrote:On a m/c, however, it is assumed that you're in much less frequent danger.

I would question that assumption. How many people have died playing football? How many people have died on motorcycles? While we could debate the relative dangers forever, hopefully we can agree that both situations warrant a helmet.

Mursilis wrote:I would question that assumption. How many people have died playing football? How many people have died on motorcycles? While we could debate the relative dangers forever, hopefully we can agree that both situations warrant a helmet.

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that a person is safer on a m/c if wearing a helmet. I just like having the right to choose whether I want to wear one or not.

When I die, I'd much rather it be after getting into a m/c accident on my Harley (hopefully a one vehicle accident) than slowly withering away from some terminal disease, ya know? At least I went out doing something I love doing. My only other way to die would be suffering a massive stroke while watching the Redskins stomp the Cowboys at home.

SkinsChic wrote:My first husband was wearing a full helmet w/ face shield (Bell helmet) and when he was in an accident it cracked in half and he died 3 days later from head injuries.

I can't tell you how sorry I am to read this, SkinsChic. I have a lot of friends that ride and I would be crushed if something like that happened to them.

Justice Hog wrote:
Well, to chime in here, you're talking about two completely different scenarios, aren't you?

At "work", Big Ben has 10-11 guys always trying to kill him each and every offensive play. It's in his best interests to wear a helmet because people are ALWAYS trying to knock his block off.

On a m/c, however, it is assumed that you're in much less frequent danger. Hopefully, cars aren't always around you trying to hit you. Yes, you have to be a defensive driver and be alert to that possibility....but

It's apples and oranges.

Actually, It's that kinda misconception that leads people like Big Ben to ride without a helmet. When your on a motorcycle, everyone is a danger to you. In most accidents a helmet will minimize the riders injuries. Ben suffered mostly facial fractures and a severe laceration to the head, that could have been prevented. The rocket that Ben owns is notorious for placing the rider in a vulurable position for injury. I bet he'll be an advocate of the helmet now!

Justice Hog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:You'd think a guy who wears a helmet to work every day would be intelligent enough to realize the benefits of one.

Well, to chime in here, you're talking about two completely different scenarios, aren't you?

At "work", Big Ben has 10-11 guys always trying to kill him each and every offensive play. It's in his best interests to wear a helmet because people are ALWAYS trying to knock his block off.

On a m/c, however, it is assumed that you're in much less frequent danger. Hopefully, cars aren't always around you trying to hit you. Yes, you have to be a defensive driver and be alert to that possibility....but

It's apples and oranges.

I mostly said that in jest but it rings a bit of truth IMO. I plan on getting a bike someday and I've read heavily on the topic.

Every forum/topic/person Ive ever spoken to speak about cages aka car in a negative light. An SUV can fall into your blindspot so whats going to happen with a 2 wheeled bike? A car is nothing more than a steel cage that is going to knock you down onto cement, asphalt or another steel cage. So if you're on a street with 11 cars, IMO its no different than being out there on a football field. To be honest with you I'd play football without a helmet before Id ride a bike without a helmet.

Seatbelts are mandatory and you get fined.
Helmets aren't... This doesn't make sense at all.

Apples vs Oranges? I see it as death vs death and I think thats pretty equal. Not wearing proper protection in either arena can lead to death.


Ben whined about not being able to see out of a helmet, it limited his "freedom". So lets see where not wearing a helmet got him and examine certain things.

1. The accident happened infront of him. So if he had a helmet on, it would not have hindered him but prevented the following...

2. Missing teeth at the age of 24

3. A scar on the back of his scalp 9 inches long

4. A wired jaw that will prolly never be the same


Im glad that fool is ok but he gets a big from me for being so stupid.

Justice Hog wrote:On a m/c, however, it is assumed that you're in much less frequent danger. Hopefully, cars aren't always around you trying to hit you. Yes, you have to be a defensive driver and be alert to that possibility....but

Another thing I've always read is that if you ride a bike you WILL go down. The best of the best have gone down, nobody is invincible. So you feel that having cement passing by you at 20mph-190mph is not a frequent danger? Lets push you out of a moving vehicle head first and see how you feel about it then.

Because he wanted to feel "free" he'll now have a life scar/s.

Justice Hog wrote:When I die, I'd much rather it be after getting into a m/c accident on my Harley (hopefully a one vehicle accident) than slowly withering away from some terminal disease, ya know? At least I went out doing something I love doing. My only other way to die would be suffering a massive stroke while watching the Redskins stomp the Cowboys at home.

Well, Id rather whither away at 99 still watching the Skins play then to die at 24 because I was too dumb to protect myself.

Id rather whither and have been there for my family then to not protect myself and leave kids/wife/whomever mourning over a senseless death that could have been prevented if I had not been selfish.

I guess we're not going to agree on this.

MSNBC showed it, but ESPN blurred the license plate.


SI has no such qualms:

they dont say anything about a concussion... if he did have minor swelling and or brain damage on any level his carear might be over..
even if he is still able to play at a high level what happens when he gets hit by sean taylor on a blitz and his head gets smashed again? hes broken goods now... his stock with teams is gonna plummet

get well soon ben.
but i hear you on the safety issue.
law or no law wear a helmet but i,m glad i don,t ride a motorcycle.

get well soon ben.

Well, I can see an argument for freedom of choice here, as long as your family is happy to go along with that choice. However, this is a guy that seemed willing to risk sitting in a chair watching the NFL for the rest of his life, after a two season career. Now, a helmet does not offer guarantees against crippling injury, but it sure as hell reduces the risks.

He might not feel like it now, but this is one lucky dude.

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, I can see an argument for freedom of choice here, as long as your family is happy to go along with that choice. However, this is a guy that seemed willing to risk sitting in a chair watching the NFL for the rest of his life, after a two season career. Now, a helmet does not offer guarantees against crippling injury, but it sure as hell reduces the risks.

He might not feel like it now, but this is one lucky dude.

Yes he is - but I'm sure glad that we are lucky he's not making any decisions about what to wear (or not) on our team!

SkinsJock wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, I can see an argument for freedom of choice here, as long as your family is happy to go along with that choice. However, this is a guy that seemed willing to risk sitting in a chair watching the NFL for the rest of his life, after a two season career. Now, a helmet does not offer guarantees against crippling injury, but it sure as hell reduces the risks.

He might not feel like it now, but this is one lucky dude.

Yes he is - but I'm sure glad that we are lucky he's not making any decisions about what to wear (or not) on our team!

Well, maybe not his SB ring.

There was a picture on rottendotcom(I don't want to accidently link to it, hence the spelling) where a biker had his face rolled up from hitting the pavement.
The caption? "Nothing Gets Between Me and My Harley".
Anyway, that's gallows humor from a guy in the business of watching other people scrape the unfortunates from pavement. There are several reasons for wearing a helmet while scooting, just as there are for wearing a seat belt. Heated arguments can be made for either side, but when you have responsibilities, you ought to be responsible.
That's all I'm saying.

First pic after the 7 hour surgery was complete.......

I tried to find a the picture from The Empire Strikes Back, where you see the back of his head without his helmet on, but no luck.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Substitute the football field for the parking lot at Kings Dominion, and it probably loses it's humor. :-"

JansenFan wrote:Substitute the football field for the parking lot at Kings Dominion, and it probably loses it's humor. :-"

Nope, sure doesn't. Totally different situation.