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I guess it'll be the Giants then.

After all, they were the ones who were questioning their coaches at the end of the year.

Primetime42 wrote:Hoping Parcells makes a man out of him...or something like that.

Yeah, I agree it will be "something like that"!

But that is about it.

Hey guys, this is a Pukes fan defending two players he -really- does not like. He is trying to persuade and reassure -himself- that everything will be fine through these threads and messages. It is alright PT, it is alright. Nothing to worry about. There will be no running mouths, no media/locker room controversies and both will play to their full potential. You are on record in this regard.

Did anybody hear this story from Philthy fans before?

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:Hoping Parcells makes a man out of him...or something like that.

Yeah, I agree it will be "something like that"!

But that is about it.

Hey guys, this is a Pukes fan defending two players he -really- does not like. He is trying to persuade and reassure -himself- that everything will be fine through these threads and messages. It is alright PT, it is alright. Nothing to worry about. There will be no running mouths, no media/locker room controversies and both will play to their full potential. You are on record in this regard.

Did anybody hear this story from Philthy fans before?

Who says I have to like them? As long as they do what they're supposed to on the field, and keep their mouths shut off it, who gives a damn?

Like I said over and over, I'm not worried about TO because unlike Mariucci and Reid, Parcells actually has a sack, and as far as Vanderjagt, when the alternative is Jose Cortez, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and expect him to do what they signed him for.

He's a freaking kicker...since when are kickers likable anyway?

Primetime42 wrote:He's a freaking kicker...since when are kickers likable anyway?

They are popular and likable when they are Redskins and really win games for us like Mark Moseley and Chip Lohmiller. And -those- are definitely MEN.

unlike Mariucci and Reid, Parcells actually has a sack

Hmmm... You'll get no arguement about Mariucci, but Reid? He was among the handful of coaches that I thought had a shot at managing the primadonna known as TO. Parcells was one of the others. If TO doesn't self destruct, it will be because HE has learned something, not because Parcells worked his magic.

No one in the NFL has a larger ego than TO. He can be managed only if he wants to be managed... by ANY coach.

Countertrey wrote:He can be managed only if he wants to be managed... by ANY coach.

Small amendment:

He can be managed only if his self-perceived economic value is in danger and as advised by his agent he wants to be managed... by ANY coach

It is not only about ego. It is about GREED.

Countertrey wrote:

unlike Mariucci and Reid, Parcells actually has a sack

Hmmm... You'll get no arguement about Mariucci, but Reid? He was among the handful of coaches that I thought had a shot at managing the primadonna known as TO. Parcells was one of the others. If TO doesn't self destruct, it will be because HE has learned something, not because Parcells worked his magic.

No one in the NFL has a larger ego than TO. He can be managed only if he wants to be managed... by ANY coach.

I would agree with you except for the fact that only person who brown nosed TO when he got to Philly more than Andy Reid was Donovan McNabb.

The second they started treating him like the second coming of Irving Fryar times 100, I knew they were screwed.

Don't see no ass-kissing coming out of Big D, do you?

Primetime42 wrote:

redskins12287 wrote:He will have a decent or "good" year at best.

He certainly wont do a thing against the 'skins with arch and taylor back there, carter and griff in bedsoe's face, and mcintosh, lemar and marcus taking care of jones and witten.

Who's gonna take care of Glenn, Fasano and Barber?

Glenn? what did he do last year uh huh nothing? Fasano? who? this guy is a rookie! Barber well Ive never heard of him nuff said about that. Anyhow the way I see it is T.O. is just taking the place of Meshawn Johnson. Just a bit of an upgrade other than that the Cowboys are relatively the same team as last year. I am a T.O. fan just not a Cowgirl fan. How in the world does Jerry Jones let a guy who stood over the Star in Dallas onto theyre own team. Washington would have never let that happen.

Don't see no ass-kissing coming out of Big D, do you?

Dunno... how many of those involuntary "voluntary" workouts did he show up to? If anyone else had done that, what kind of noise would we have heard out of Tuna Central? (see Terry "The Girl" Glenn)

How in the world does Jerry Jones let a guy who stood over the Star in Dallas onto theyre own team.

This is an old, and tired comment... yet, we have never heard an explaination of how any team with the kind of historical pride that the Dallas Cowboys have could forgive such an unforgivable act. I am not being sarcastic when I say that I am sad to see the lack of outrage from the fans of Dallas over what should be the ultimate insult from your owner.

Is your pride so subordinate to your desire to win at any cost that you are ok with the risks taken on this player? His toxic narcisism is bad enough. The damage he can do may be complicated by his increasing age, and the resulting liklihood of physical breakdowns (especially when you consider that he will be wearing a target on his back...and won't likely get any slack from the defenses he will face... no one is going to pull up and hold back when they hit him... He will face the NFC East 6 times... and, this year, all 3 NFC East opponents come packing heat behind the front 4. TO might avoid some... but not all)

You make the false assumption that Terrell Owens is suddenly going to be the focal point of the Dallas Cowboy offense.

You are sorely mistaken. Like I said, there's plenty of options and every name I mentioned is among them (I overlooked Jones, seeing as he still needs work catching out of the backfield, but he counts too.)

Read up and understand:

http://nfl.com/news/story/9444769

As far as JJ paying a man who desecrated the star, first of all, I don't think I can tell you enough how much I dislike the man, but as long as he puts points on the board and keeps his criticisms in house (and he will), I could care less. I'll cheer when he scores not because I like him, but because 6 points just went up on the board for the Dallas Cowboys.

Second of all, I'll be damned before I have Redskin fans lecture me about loyalty and "wanting to win at any cost". You know where I'm going with that.

I WANT all three NFC opponents to "pack heat" on TO...only opens up the show for everyone else. In case you didn't notice, we have more than two weapons on offense unlike Philly...and I know you don't think so, but I know so.

So there

Primetime42 wrote:As far as JJ paying a man who desecrated the star, first of all, I don't think I can tell you enough how much I dislike the man, but as long as he puts points on the board and keeps his criticisms in house (and he will), I could care less. I'll cheer when he scores not because I like him, but because 6 points just went up on the board for the Dallas Cowboys.

I can relate to that (TAFKAPT) but I still haven't hear Jerry speak on it. Many a fan has voiced their opinion on the subject - but NOT JJ. You are well documented on where you stand on T.O. and Jones. If "the Danny" owned that team in Texas and did this the 4 letter network would still be running it.

Primetime42 wrote:Second of all, I'll be damned before I have Redskin fans lecture me about loyalty and "wanting to win at any cost". You know where I'm going with that.

I don't know where you're going with this, who have we ever brought in that disrespected our house (times TWO)? We spend and spend and really didn't improve until we stopped. Owens didn't cost much in dollars, but he cost Jerry in popularity among the fan base

Primetime42 wrote:I WANT all three NFC opponents to "pack heat" on TO...only opens up the show for everyone else. In case you didn't notice, we have more than two weapons on offense unlike Philly...and I know you don't think so, but I know so.

So there

We've never had a issue with T.O. and I don't see it happening this year, so some of those more than two weapons must step up in at least 2 games. Our Defense will be well rested this year and full of guys that will just want to hit someone

1niksder wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:As far as JJ paying a man who desecrated the star, first of all, I don't think I can tell you enough how much I dislike the man, but as long as he puts points on the board and keeps his criticisms in house (and he will), I could care less. I'll cheer when he scores not because I like him, but because 6 points just went up on the board for the Dallas Cowboys.

I can relate to that (TAFKAPT) but I still haven't hear Jerry speak on it. Many a fan has voiced their opinion on the subject - but NOT JJ. You are well documented on where you stand on T.O. and Jones. If "the Danny" owned that team in Texas and did this the 4 letter network would still be running it.

Primetime42 wrote:Second of all, I'll be damned before I have Redskin fans lecture me about loyalty and "wanting to win at any cost". You know where I'm going with that.

I don't know where you're going with this, who have we ever brought in that disrespected our house (times TWO)? We spend and spend and really didn't improve until we stopped. Owens didn't cost much in dollars, but he cost Jerry in popularity among the fan base

Primetime42 wrote:I WANT all three NFC opponents to "pack heat" on TO...only opens up the show for everyone else. In case you didn't notice, we have more than two weapons on offense unlike Philly...and I know you don't think so, but I know so.

So there

We've never had a issue with T.O. and I don't see it happening this year, so some of those more than two weapons must step up in at least 2 games. Our Defense will be well rested this year and full of guys that will just want to hit someone

In all seriousness, why can't more people post like you? I actually agree with you on that sentiment. They MUST step up...and I truly believe they will. We know what Glenn and Witten are capable of, Jones when healthy is solid, Barber showed flashes, and Fasano (believe it or not) is a Chris ey clone...they just need it to all come together this time. In that regard, you are 100% right.

Sad to say, to your other point, that the Dallas Cowboy fanbase in Texas is nowhere near as dedicated or loyal as the fanbase around the country. Don't ask me why, I haven't a clue, but you would imagine that in a football crazy state like Texas, with a team like that, they would be like Philly South or something...just not the case.

As long as the team wins, they're fickle enough to cheer whoever puts on that uniform...those that were pissed about the TO signing will be over it by Week 2.

If that weren't true, there would be no fan base at all given what happened when Jerry Jones bought the team and fired Tom Landry.

Second of all, I'll be damned before I have Redskin fans lecture me about loyalty and "wanting to win at any cost".

Hey, you want to consider it a lecture, then fine... I actually thought it was more of a rhetorical question. Did I give you too much credit? Fine... consider yourself lectured by a Redskins fan.

The only player who ever remotely pulle the same thing in FedEx was Warren Sapp, who charged through the Redskin's pregame warm-up. That was not about disrespecting the Franchise, but the players.

And, just in case you aren't aware, he has not been hired by the Danny. The fact is, even in the Dieon hiring, you can't find a comparable hiring by the Redskins.

You could always dive into Washington Senators history, if you want... there was the trade of Eddie Brinkman and Arielio Rodriquez for Denny McLain... that kind of pissed people off... Yeah, that was kind of like the TO deal.

Primetime42 wrote:As long as the team wins, they're fickle enough to cheer whoever puts on that uniform...

I finally agree that this is a very accurate description and characterisation of Pukes fans.