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Going to be interesting to see how happy that giants fan is after the first 6 games of a brutal first half of the season. Do not be coming here and talking about last year - come on back in early November and remind us how happy you were to get this guy. I will be here!

We had the best Linebacker corps in the league without LaVar, and you (the Giants) are adding yet-another injury prone LB to a corps that didn't make it through all of last season. So, knock the bravado down a couple notches, ok?

elchalje wrote:Justice, perhaps you would like to remember the 35-0 pasting from last year. That ought to help elevate the past year NFC East Champs in your hate book. And don't tell me about 35-20 in D.C., where an opening catch by Plax and a reasonable call ona Amani's TD meant a close game. In any case, wish you luck covering T.O. and stopping Osi, Michael, Lavar, and Pierce from getting to Brunell.

Seriously, do you think Brunell, at his age, is SB bound. He will not last half a season. Hope last year's rookie QB is ready for our guys.

Meanwhile, we will look to 24 year old Eli for this year and many years to come.

Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!

What an idiotic post!

The 35-0 beating last year meant nothing to me because the Redskins didn't give the Giants any game that game. If the Redskins went to New York, played their hardest, and still got beat...I'd be mad/upset or whatever other adjective you can think of. Last year, the Redskins beat themselves in NY...and your lowly Gnats just happened to be on the winning end of an awful performance by an opponent.

The Giants were certainly not the superior team in the NFC East last year, elchalje, that honor belongs to the Redskins....though they were not "champs". Last year, the Redskins were the most dominant team in the NFC East and the Giants, once again, were a bunch of wannabes, as clearly illustrated by their so very impressive(?) performance in the playoffs.

Elchalje, you need to wake up and smell the coffee and just admit that the Skins, once and for all, were superior last year.

As for Eli, I have 5 letters for you: C-H-U-M-P.

Lucky this isn't in smack or I'd have 5 other letters for you!

peace player i hope hes ready for mini camp.....doubt it



chris clemons for weak sid linebacker!

Justice Hog wrote:..What an idiotic post!

The 35-0 beating last year meant nothing to me because the Redskins didn't give the Giants any game that game. If the Redskins went to New York, played their hardest, and still got beat...I'd be mad/upset or whatever other adjective you can think of. Last year, the Redskins beat themselves in NY...and your lowly Gnats just happened to be on the winning end of an awful performance by an opponent.

The Giants were certainly not the superior team in the NFC East last year, elchalje, that honor belongs to the Redskins....though they were not "champs". Last year, the Redskins were the most dominant team in the NFC East and the Giants, once again, were a bunch of wannabes, as clearly illustrated by their so very impressive(?) performance in the playoffs.

Elchalje, you need to wake up and smell the coffee and just admit that the Skins, once and for all, were superior last year.

As for Eli, I have 5 letters for you: C-H-U-M-P.

This is so to the point that I wanted to have it repeated.

There were 2 games that the giants won last year because of woeful games by the other teams - against the Redskins and against the Chiefs. These were not games they won and while we were not as good as we should have been but we were much better than the giants. We are also an improved team and we are not finished getting better! Carolina pasted these guys at the end of the season and they have a brutal start for C-H-U-M-P and the rest next season.

I agree with Justice in that there are only 2 competitors in our group this year, the pukes and eagles! We will continue to be the best team in this division and will be battling it out with the hated eagles and pukes while ny is realising that the other Manning is just another C-H-U-M-P

No ill wishes to Pierce or Arrington but this ny team is not going to get many wins next year. Not unless a bunch of teams play badly against them - certainly not because they have the potential to be good, they don't!

Also, got a feeling that Arrington will be studying Santana's screen moves and will have a major responsibility for ensuring that they don't work like they did this past year.

You think that Arrington will help to cover Moss? That Lavar will find a new dimension in his game?

And what does Lavar A do about Patten, Randle El, or Lloyd?

elchalje wrote:Arrington will be playing weak side linebacker for the Giants.

Lavar was SIGNed to play WLB, what happens from here on out remains to be seen. He does make a good cheerleader when he isn't playing and has gotten better at it over the last few years. Up in NYC with all the Lights and Celebs, TC and LA should get along find, even if he is spending most or the year with the trainers.

elchalje wrote: When Strahan breaks up the pocket and Brunell rolls left, he will be dealing with Osi Umenyiora (12 sacks) and Arrington. And, who knows where Antonio Pierce might be.

Osi had a nice year last year, LAST year - 1 year (talk to me next year about his two year sack total). As far as the 2 LBs that you got from us, you got it backwards you'll know where AP is but you'll find yourself asking your fellow Gnat fans "where was Lavar on that play?"

elchalje wrote:Also, got a feeling that Arrington will be studying Santana's screen moves and will have a major responsibility for ensuring that they don't work like they did this past year.

I got a feeling you study about as much as Lavar does

elchalje wrote:Gotta be a weird feeling to see Pierce and Arrington lining up against your offense.

Not really, you guys have been on a steady diet of our left overs (see Chad Morton), I was a little ticked about Antonio signing with the Gints but I got over that, when he missed the end of the 2005 due to injury after always being available when called on in Washington. Lavar was out of here and we had know chance of him coming back. I kind of wanted him to sign here in J-ville so I could keep a support eye on him, but now that he's a G-man (the "G" stand for girly) there's no chance of that

elchalje wrote:Troy Aikman re LaVar: "I've never been hit that hard in my entire life."

Bet this is the 1st time you've ever wrote this and this is the first time it didn't give you a headache after reading it. What has LA done since TA made that statement?


This troll should have enough to chew on for now

I love LaVar, but it's important to know that he didn't get anything like the deal he thought he might get when he paid the skins 4.4 million. Profootballtalk.com has the details on LaVar Arrington’s deal with the Giants. He’s getting a $5.24M signing bonus (less than half of what his agents first claimed), and his deal averages just (and I use that word in a relative sense) $3.7M a year. The best part, and I the part I love, is their claim that LaVar should sue his agents for the $4.4M he paid the Redskins to obtain free agency in March. PFT’s claim, and this sounds right, is that LaVar’s deal is mediocre, and is pretty much the same deal he’d have gotten in July when the Redskins would have had to cut him to avoid paying him a $6.5M roster bonus.

Ok I have to get the my last words out to LaVar... Congrats on you deal and I hope the money was worth it, but to the Giants... Although he was my favorite player his weaknesses are going to be exposed with the Giants, they don't have our secondary and all they really have is two D linemen and Pierce. Our D is collectively better and we know how he overplays his position. I can almost garuntee a flea flicker or some other type of trick play right to his side. So long LaVar I hate that we wont get to see you in Hawaii anymore.

Goodbye Lavar....wish you were still here....
And I think this addition immediately makes the Giants LB corp respectable, so long as he stays healthy which I dont think will be a problem for him this year.

Justice Hog wrote:

elchalje wrote:Justice, perhaps you would like to remember the 35-0 pasting from last year. That ought to help elevate the past year NFC East Champs in your hate book. And don't tell me about 35-20 in D.C., where an opening catch by Plax and a reasonable call ona Amani's TD meant a close game. In any case, wish you luck covering T.O. and stopping Osi, Michael, Lavar, and Pierce from getting to Brunell.

Seriously, do you think Brunell, at his age, is SB bound. He will not last half a season. Hope last year's rookie QB is ready for our guys.

Meanwhile, we will look to 24 year old Eli for this year and many years to come.

Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!

What an idiotic post!

The 35-0 beating last year meant nothing to me because the Redskins didn't give the Giants any game that game. If the Redskins went to New York, played their hardest, and still got beat...I'd be mad/upset or whatever other adjective you can think of. Last year, the Redskins beat themselves in NY...and your lowly Gnats just happened to be on the winning end of an awful performance by an opponent.

The Giants were certainly not the superior team in the NFC East last year, elchalje, that honor belongs to the Redskins....though they were not "champs". Last year, the Redskins were the most dominant team in the NFC East and the Giants, once again, were a bunch of wannabes, as clearly illustrated by their so very impressive(?) performance in the playoffs.

Elchalje, you need to wake up and smell the coffee and just admit that the Skins, once and for all, were superior last year.

As for Eli, I have 5 letters for you: C-H-U-M-P.

Lucky this isn't in smack or I'd have 5 other letters for you!

And let me add that not only were the Skins the better team, we were the REAL NFC East champs. We had a better record in the division @ 5-1 vs 4-2, we went farther in the playoffs and we didn't have the benefit of a ninth home game.

Yes the Giants waxed us in NJ but that was the product of a very emotionally inspired game after the death of one of the greatest owners in professional sports. No one would have beaten the Giants on that night.

Good Luck Lavar! I really like this move by him and think that he will be a beast up there in NY. Some people here are so flip flop it's crazy.....still making excuses for a routing we took last year. We got beat..it's as simple as that...quit making excuses it doesn't do any good and really doesn't come across well. You think Gibbs makes excuses for that game? Hell no...it is what it is...........

Lavar will be a beast in the blue and the Giants are a contender, to say otherwise shows a lack of knowledge about the game. They did win the East last year and it wasn't handed to them. GET OVER IT!

The NFC EAST has got to be the best division in Football and as a fan what more could you ask for?

I'm laughing at the whole Lavar thing...

Yeah, the Giants now have this sick trio of pass rushers. Problem being, sure you could blitz them ever down, but the blitz gets beaten more often then not.

Wanna leave one in coverage? That would have to be Lavar and he's garbage in that aspect.

Stopping the run? Please.

Like I said on my board, the guy's been overrated from Day 1, and now that he no longer wears a Redskin jersey, you will see it clearly. The only thing he ever really accomplished in his career was administering the final blow to Troy Aikman.

Besides, the Giants always bomb when they are supposed to dominate nowadays.

It's a two team race this year. 'Boys-'Skins You heard it here first.

Primetime42 wrote:It's a two team race this year. 'Boys-'Skins You heard it here first.

Man, when was the last time you heard that?!?!!?

I am so glad this rivalry is back and, believe me when I tell you, it's BACK!

As for Lavar, I loved when he signed with the Skins. I waited and waited and waited for him to be a dominating LB. When that never happened, I attributed it to the revolving door the Skins had at head coach and defensive coordinator.

Well, there is no more revolving door and one of the best defensive coordinators in the league sat Lavar on his butt for many games last year.

I have the utmost confidence in Williams' ability to value a particular player. If he felt Lavar was/could be something great, he'd still be here. The fact that he is not, in my opinion, speaks volumes.

Primetime42 wrote:
It's a two team race this year. 'Boys-'Skins You heard it here first.

best thing ive heard all week!!!

crank up that deisel baby!!

elchalje wrote:Justice, perhaps you would like to remember the 35-0 pasting from last year. That ought to help elevate the past year NFC East Champs in your hate book. And don't tell me about 35-20 in D.C., where an opening catch by Plax and a reasonable call ona Amani's TD meant a close game. In any case, wish you luck covering T.O. and stopping Osi, Michael, Lavar, and Pierce from getting to Brunell.

Seriously, do you think Brunell, at his age, is SB bound. He will not last half a season. Hope last year's rookie QB is ready for our guys.

Meanwhile, we will look to 24 year old Eli for this year and many years to come.

Well of course the Giants fan is tickled pink about getting Lavar... I can understand that... he's a probable improvement to the defense. But $49M for 7 years though? I'd like to see the breakdown of the contract to know how much of it is real and how much of it is just backloaded overstuffed numbers. If there's any weight to a $7M a year figure... that's a lot of money for a guy who spent half the year on the bench last year and the whole year the year before.

But could there really be anything more troll-like than saying please look at the game that suits my needs from last year and ignore the one that doesn't? Tough to lose an argument when you can use that type of logic. How about a math lesson? I'll give the Giants a TD on the Toomer play... AND I'll give you one for the Plaxico 'catch' drive... that puts us at 35-34 Redskins... how are you going to take that last point AWAY from us? Got an excuse for that too? And if you're contention is just that that made the game close... well whipddyDo... you don't get any points for 'coming close'. They LOST. That makes us 1-1 against each other last year... you can pick out whatever plays you want, it won't make a hill of beans difference. Fact is... when the game actually mattered... the Redskins took it.

As for Eli... what's your point? Yeah I watched him a lot last year... he looked really good... until it mattered most. Then he folded like chinese laundry.

His brother is ten times the quarterback but has a similar problem...

You wish us luck stopping T.O? What does that mean? Did he sign with the Giants?

Good luck stopping Osi, Michael, Lavar, and Pierce from getting to Brunell? Why bother? Send 'em all... that's what a running game is for.

It's pretty funny that you come over her thinking anyone cares what you have to say. If we are ever looking for shallow posts and mindless banter, we'll come looking for you. Until then try GiantsZone.com for some people that won't realize the full scope of your ignorant posts.

You've been warned in the past... you need to check the rules on flaming... being a troll is one thing... choosing to ignore the rules is another.

6. Flaming... will not be tolerated and is defined as follows: Any post in a thread that addresses a poster directly, does not have anything to do with the original post or whose sole purpose is to illicit a negative response from other members of the site

See the bold part? That's ALL yo bring to the table. I suggest you take the time to learn the rules of posting here or learn to live with finding somewhere else to troll around. Because I assure you elchalje... this community will be none the lesser without you.

But thanks for wishing us luck. We appreciate that.

Try answering a post or two instead of flaming a new thread... I doubt very much that you're capable... you've consistently proven that you are not.

Primetime42 wrote:I'm laughing at the whole Lavar thing...

Yeah, the Giants now have this sick trio of pass rushers. Problem being, sure you could blitz them ever down, but the blitz gets beaten more often then not.

Wanna leave one in coverage? That would have to be Lavar and he's garbage in that aspect.

Stopping the run? Please.

Like I said on my board, the guy's been overrated from Day 1, and now that he no longer wears a Redskin jersey, you will see it clearly. The only thing he ever really accomplished in his career was administering the final blow to Troy Aikman.

Besides, the Giants always bomb when they are supposed to dominate nowadays.

It's a two team race this year. 'Boys-'Skins You heard it here first.

This is probably one of the most inteligent post I have read all off-season, I hate to agree with a cowboys fan but I must say I agree with everything...

The best rivalry in sports is back!

The worst thing could have happened too the skins in their run for a title. We let one of our biggest stars on defense leave to a NFC team that we will have to see twice a year. This is not just a Lavar Arringtong its an agnry Lavar,that said in the post that there were several teams I could play for, but I want to PLAY the skins twice a year. Not only do they already have Perice, they have Strahan and the other end Usnomimra. They will have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Now I can see Lavar chasing Brunell and Portis all over the field, what does everyone else think???????

Uaintready wrote:The worst thing could have happened too the skins in their run for a title. We let one of our biggest stars on defense leave to a NFC team that we will have to see twice a year. This is not just a Lavar Arringtong its an agnry Lavar,that said in the post that there were several teams I could play for, but I want to PLAY the skins twice a year. Not only do they already have Perice, they have Strahan and the other end Usnomimra. They will have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Now I can see Lavar chasing Brunell and Portis all over the field, what does everyone else think???????

First, Arrington was not one of our biggest stars on "defense" if you define "star" as "valuable player". If you define "star" as "well known player", maybe you're right.

Second, Lavar really won't add anything to that defense...except, maybe, another player that gets injured and plays out of position a lot.

Calm down. Take a pill. All will be well.

Third... there's already LaVar threads. Soon to be merged.

Helloooooo...

You don't think that Gibbs and Williams knew this might happen when they released him???

The sky is not falling (it's probably just a few ceiling tiles).

Well. The thing is, im so upset he moved. But whatever. we still can make it to the super bowl without him. But when he steps his foot in fed ex field. i know he will not be welcomed. even though he was my favorite football player. Looks like we all have to move on....

Uaintready wrote:The worst thing could have happened too the skins in their run for a title. We let one of our biggest stars on defense leave to a NFC team that we will have to see twice a year. This is not just a Lavar Arringtong its an agnry Lavar...

Yes, we are well aware of what an "angry Lavar" is capable of doing. In case you don't remember Lavar "Gunner" Arrington, was real mad three seasons ago when Warren Sapp and the Bucs came into town. Lavar was "pissed" at Warren being the center of attention for the week, with his skipping through line-ups and actually producing for his team.

Lavar made all these threats and stuff....

Fast forward to the end of the game, and the Skins were embarassed at home, and Lavar yielded nothing more than a wimper.

That day, his bark was millions of time worse than his bite.

I, for one, am not concerned about "Gunner".

I am sick of all these anti-Lavar stuff, if he is so bad how come our D improved when he started playing. Second of all he didn't look out of position against Tampa (10 tackels), int. and a forced fumble, or when he knocked Alexander out of the Sehawks game. He is a good player and will help out the Giants. He is still one of the hardest hitters in the game, reguardless of what people on this board say.