Clark signs with Steelers

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:46 am

I would like to see Clark stay. I don't want this "Big name signings" to keep going. It just scares me a bit. But whatever they think is best then so be it.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:49 am

Jake wrote:I hope Clark stays and I hope that he doesn't think that Archuleta is "replacing" him.

If we were trying to replace Clark, we still wouldn't be negotiating with him.

Archuleta is bringing a blitzing demension to our safeties.

I'm thinking along these same lines, I hope Clark is doing the same.
Have Clark and Arch would be great for this D

Post by **admin** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:05 pm

COZ wrote:Boss - I know you are the site admin but what never ceases to amaze me is your undying need to correct and at the same time blast those people who don't share your opinion. It seems to me (my opinion of course) that you go out of your way to bomblast anything or one who isn't on the same page as you. And instead of asking CLL to post Clark's details why don't you and then maybe he will see where you are coming from. And if you don't know the answer well then your post holds about as much water as you preceive CCL's does.

Am I not entitled to my opinion also? And to express it however I like? You don't have to like it, that's YOUR prerogative.

But people have a tendency to bash things for the sake of bashing things, and while that's their prerogative, if someone's going to go out of their way to turn something into a negative, I'd like to know how they can do that when they don't have enough information to even MAKE a judgement yet. And it isn't CLL specifically, even if he was the'brunt' of it this time... but he is guilty of it in this instance... I don't think even Chris would deny that his passion speaks before his knowledge does sometimes.

The fact that you think I expect or want anyone to be on the same page as me just proves how little you know about me. Why on earth I'd spend such an inordinate amount of time just to bash my own head against the wall escapes me... but you couldn't really be further from the truth. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong... you're absolutely entitled to.... that's the point of the board... you're not going to get censored... you have your right to your opinion as well... but try to bring more than conjecture. If there's anything factual to base this opinion on how the Redskins are now ignoring Clark's achievements as opposed to just doing good business and not over-paying for Clark's services when he admittedly wants to earn top dollar for his services, then I'm all for hearing it and would gladly discuss that too.

But I DON'T know Clark's details... and I don't think anyone knows what he's asking compared to what he's been offered... THAT'S THE POINT! How can anyone judge whether or not he's asking a fair price when they don't know what it is? I do know however that Clark said about two weeks go that while he'd like to stay with the Redskins, "I feel like I've played well enough to put myself in the position to help my family, help my parents out and get some things straight in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. So that's what I'm trying to do: get fair value for what I've done."

That's from his mouth. So while he may very well have played well, he could be asking for more than he's worth... maybe a lot more. Chris was judging the organization for not paying a guy fair value when he's played very well for us... and without knowing what was offered OR counter offered, how on earth can you judge whether or not it was fair?

It's good to see you've found a use for the board other than selling your tickets though.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:24 pm

admin wrote: I don't think even Chris would deny that his passion speaks before his knowledge does sometimes.

Thats why I dont argue the situation because like he said I dont know the details and I ran off with the mouth. Even in that post I said I didn't know exactly what I was talking about so its not like I try to front like Im know it all of the board.

Things just seem/ed a bit like 2001 and I started to freak out. I drove the bandwagon until the wheels fell of last season, I deserve a bit of freak out time during the offseason.

You can't let Boss's gruff exterior get to you, we all know he's a big teddy bear inside. :lol:

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:47 pm

Good to know that as the recipient, you weren't as offended as the people with no vested interest. :roll:

... and yes... I do believe you were freaking out. :wink:

But that's a pretty uncalled for insult to teddy bears everywhere.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:06 pm

BossHog wrote:Good to know that as the recipient, you weren't as offended as the people with no vested interest.

Oh, it took some getting used to. :lol:

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:08 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
BossHog wrote:Good to know that as the recipient, you weren't as offended as the people with no vested interest.

Oh, it took some getting used to.

Easy solution... stop making it so easy. :-"

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:11 pm

kadskin wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
redskingush wrote:CLL, you like Ryan Clark and i agree hes a good safety, but in this case Artuleta will be good. Obviosly Joe and Dan are not signing everything the way it used to be done. Ryan Clark is a "Spurrier era Skin" Joes way of maybe making this team his own.

Are you being serious? Clark didn't even start when Spurrier was here, Bowen was. Bowen got hurt in 2004 when Gibbs arrived and Clark took the position over.

Clark isn't a Gibbs guy? Everytime I see Clark all he says is that he owes everything to God and that he's blessed and thankful for everything. The kid has his faith/beliefs, he's a team player, he loves the Skins, he said he wouldn't break the bank. What else more do you need to do to be a "core skin"?

I agree Chris. But sometimes we have to realize that even if Joe Gibbs is our HC, this is still the NFL and there are other people who contribute to the decision of keeping certain guys and replacing them. I really wouldn't want Clark to leave, he's a stand up guy and he seems to love being a REDSKIN. But like i said this is the NFL and sometimes unfortunately, no matter how good of a person you are, in the NFL, talent and ability is still the main issue. But i believe if Clark goes somewhere else, he will become a top-rated kind of guy and will be the "core" of another team. I wish him the very best.

I do apolagize, I swear He came in 03.

dabear · Post by **dabear** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:32 pm

guys, don't you get it? clark is gone. they paid arch 10 mil up front. he is never coming off the field. they turned their backs on clark, and brought in a replacement.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:53 pm

can i say "stoutamire"

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:05 am

Probably...but you can't spell it, that's for sure. ROTFALMAO

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:55 am

dabear wrote:guys, don't you get it? clark is gone. they paid arch 10 mil up front. he is never coming off the field. they turned their backs on clark, and brought in a replacement.

It doesn't matter how much someone gets paid. If you're good enough, you're gonna see the field.

And if we turned our backs on Clark, then WHY are we still negotiating with him? :hmm:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:15 am

Jake wrote:And if we turned our backs on Clark, then WHY are we still negotiating with him?

Redskins | Team has not ruled out re-signing Clark

Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:52:31 -0800
The Washington Post reports Washington Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said assistant head coach defense Gregg Williams contacted free agent S Ryan Clark (Redskins), a starter in 2005, Monday, March 13, and did not rule out re-signing him.

Reported well AFTER AA was signed

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:29 am

USAFSkinFan wrote:
redskingush wrote:Adam Artuleta would be a good guy to sign even if it means losing Ryan Clark. Artuleta was a good safety in St. Louis with virtully no help around him, imagine him in the secondary beside Taylor with Rodgers and Springs on the outside, It is a good fit for us. 2 Hard hitting safties, nobody would try the middle again.

Archuleta is a joke... I live here in St Louis and get to watch the analysis of there horrible defense every week. Their defense is really bad and can't tackle. As bad as they are, the first thing they wanted to do in the off season is get rid of Archuleta and get some safeties and linebackers who can tackle... he makes the occasional big play on the blitz but he can't cover and can't tackle in the open field... the changed his position a couple times to try and light a fire in him, but nothing worked... in fact they have a whole humorous video here of him missing open field tackles on long runs, and some of the clips are really laughable... what does it say if one of the worst defenses in the league says hes not good enough for them... Ryan Clark is just plain better than Archuleta...

wow ... now im not gonna say clarks gone cuse we got the new guy or that one is better than the other but its interesting to hear a st louis fan say this about an ex player.. i put a lot of stock in what people have to say when they have the opportunity to watch a team all year long... with that being said, i hope clark stays he has done well for us and is a young gun. at the same time Archuleta apparently, as stated above has somethings to prove. If Gibbs says hes gonna be a good asset ill take his word. lets just hope clark will take a tiny contract and they will play in different packeges. hail

Snout · Post by **Snout** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:59 am

Rather than set new spending records on guys who have not proven themselves in our system, I would rather see us spread some of the money the guys at the bottom of the food chain -- who are every bit as important to our success. We set a spending record on Adam Archuleta? I thought Sean Taylor was the best safety in the NFL. Randal El gets $11.5 million in signing and roster bonuses? Is he supposed to be the No. 1 receiver? The No. 2 receiver? Or the No. 3 receiver? After the spending spree on the big names, where are we going to come up with the money to get some depth along the OL and DL?

I fear that our high spending in the free agent market has created a subconscious feeling among the players that their worth is measured in terms of dollars. We pay more to guys who will come n here as strangers than we do to those who came up in the system. I think it creates some messed up thinking at a subconscious level.

Part of me wishes that there were not individual player contracts in the NFL. I would love it if all players were required to sign a minimum contract, and everything else -- right up to the salary cap -- was paid as bonus money. I would love to see Snyder lock all the players in room at the end of the season, walk into the room with a bag of $90 Million in cash, and say "decide amongst yourselves who should get what." And then walk out. I think players would start to see themselves, their worth, their teammates, and their teammates' worth very differently.

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:48 am

I thought Sean Taylor was the best safety in the NFL

He is. He will get a new contract when it is his turn.
With all his off the field stuff, hopefully we don't have to worry about him holding out.

After the spending spree on the big names, where are we going to come up with the money to get some depth along the OL and DL?

I don't think anyone knows where we stand cap wise right now besides the FO and coaches.
I'm not worried about it. I'm sure they have it figured out. Just be patient.

I fear that our high spending in the free agent market has created a subconscious feeling among the players that their worth is measured in terms of dollars. We pay more to guys who will come n here as strangers than we do to those who came up in the system. I think it creates some messed up thinking at a subconscious level.

We didn't keep Pierce and Smoot because they wanted more money than Washington and Springs. So they left.
Although it was tough to see him leave, Arrington did not deserve the money he was due to make. So he is gone.
I'm not sure of the terms of each WR's contract, but I think Moss, Lloyd, and ARE got about the same deal.

Part of me wishes that there were not individual player contracts in the NFL. I would love it if all players were required to sign a minimum contract, and everything else -- right up to the salary cap -- was paid as bonus money. I would love to see Snyder lock all the players in room at the end of the season, walk into the room with a bag of $90 Million in cash, and say "decide amongst yourselves who should get what." And then walk out. I think players would start to see themselves, their worth, their teammates, and their teammates' worth very differently.

That show is coming to FOX this Fall.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:26 am

i put a lot of stock in what people have to say when they have the opportunity to watch a team all year long...

Why? Have you heard the things being said about Arrington? Didn't hear much of that before he was cut, now, did you? How do you know this fan isn't just a homer, making himself feel better about loosing Artuleta?

You don't think Gregg Williams can evaluate talent? Even the biased national press love this signing.

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:24 am

Countertrey wrote:
i put a lot of stock in what people have to say when they have the opportunity to watch a team all year long...

Why? Have you heard the things being said about Arrington? Didn't hear much of that before he was cut, now, did you? How do you know this fan isn't just a homer, making himself feel better about loosing Artuleta?

You don't think Gregg Williams can evaluate talent? Even the biased national press love this signing.

did you even read the rest of what i said?? :roll:

one i said, it was interesting to hear what he had to say, two, if gibbs thinks hes an asset ill take his word, and three i hope he and clark stay... read a whole entry before you go nuts next time... in addition, when someone gets to watch a person all year long and ive never seen him play they know more than i do, so ill listen to them.. is that wrong? would you not listen to someone who has more first hand knowlage? or do you form opinons just on the fly, sans information?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:43 pm

Clark signs with Pittsburgh.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00957.html

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:52 pm

That's a shame, since we don't know what's gonna happen with Taylor.
Sadly, he took the signing of Archuleta to be his death knell...unless I misunderstand what I'm reading.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:56 pm

So long Pied Piper Piccalo. Good luck in Pittsburgh.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:46 pm

That's too bad, he was a great player for us. Humble, a hard hitter, classy, and dedicated to the team.

Good luck in Pittsburgh, Ryan

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:55 pm

Good luck, Ryan. Hopefully he'll always appreciate us giving him a chance and the opportunity to get this contract. We'll be ok without him though.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:57 pm

Did JOe Gibbs ever say that Ryan Clark was a core Redskin. He could have, I don't remember please correct me if I am wrong. Good luck in Steeler town Clark.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:00 pm

good luck in steeler town ryan.
you did us proud....