Its official ..Its panic time

weneedcharlesmann · Post by **weneedcharlesmann** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:21 pm

I agree with Chris...we're paying for years of mismanagment, and that's ok...but we need to make sure that we don't keep the problem going...

so, if it's really that bad, and we have to get rid of a lot of people, ok, that sucks, and we won't do as much as expected next year. but we'll also have a young qb, rb, pair of receivers, te, defense, and relatively young o line...

if we are willing to take our cap medicine, instead of chasing after potentially injury-prone middle tier stars (yes, that means you john abraham), then i think the skins will win a super bowl in the next three years...

think about it guys, the team is really not very far as it stands...a year or 2 in al saunders system, that defense etc...and we have youth...the key then is to make sure that we can keep that young core, and that may take some sacrifice now...for example, I am a huge lavar arrington fan, but at this point, i'm all for trading him---it will kill us cap wise next year, but all of a sudden, the next year, the skins aren't handcuffed with that contract (obviously, i would prefer if we could renegotiate his deal to be more palatable, but who knows)...there are a bunch of guys like that, guys that we like, that we think can be successful, but quite frankly, we're never going to be able to keep them all--we need to get to the point where we can be a responsible force in the free agency market, picking up a few pieces to add to our already young core---man, if we were at that stage already, imagine replacing derrick dockery with steve hutchinson...i'd be willing to be CP would get 1800 yds...

in the end, we won't know until it's done, so everyone should calm down--no matter what, if we have to cut a lot of guys, or can keep much of this team together, what's important is building up the team with the most young talent in the team into a dominant one...

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:26 pm

Please you guys who Think you know the CBA stop spreading this BS...we will not have to cut players that we wouldnt have cut otherwise. Stop reading things, panicking and crying all over the place. We were going to be releasing players at the end of this year anyway. Players like Bowen, Harris, Raymer would have been cut anyway.

We will be releasing some players...,yeah the sky is falling considering we release player (every team releases players) every year.

Just wait and see, you all sound like journalists now that you've read some highly inflammatory stories.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:12 pm

im done worrying im with hogster

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:43 pm

The Hogster wrote:Please you guys who Think you know the CBA stop spreading this BS...we will not have to cut players that we wouldnt have cut otherwise. Stop reading things, panicking and crying all over the place. We were going to be releasing players at the end of this year anyway. Players like Bowen, Harris, Raymer would have been cut anyway.

We will be releasing some players...,yeah the sky is falling considering we release player (every team releases players) every year.

Just wait and see, you all sound like journalists now that you've read some highly inflammatory stories.

If this cba doesnt get done the sky will fall. Read the cba, evaluate the contracts and you will see that this is not bs. It will hurt all the teams but none of them will be hurt as much as washington...it will force us to cut some good players. All the players you mention will only save about 10 million that leaves another 10 million or so to cut. Where does that come from??? The problem is we dont have any expensive contracts that we can cut and get a lot of savings from. You cant restructure to save because of the 30% rule and the fact you only have four years. You will find out if there is no extension there is a reason to worry. If this comes true you will see more cuts that ever before.

MEZZSKIN · Post by **MEZZSKIN** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:43 pm

Listen I hope you guys are right but if there is no CBA we have MAJOR problems...No denying it

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:49 pm

You can still restructure, you just won't save as much but will still save cap space.
We won't be getting any big free-agents without a new CBA, but it is not as bad as some writers speculate.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:16 pm

The Hogster wrote:Please you guys who Think you know the CBA stop spreading this BS...we will not have to cut players that we wouldnt have cut otherwise. Stop reading things, panicking and crying all over the place. We were going to be releasing players at the end of this year anyway. Players like Bowen, Harris, Raymer would have been cut anyway.

We will be releasing some players...,yeah the sky is falling considering we release player (every team releases players) every year.

Just wait and see, you all sound like journalists now that you've read some highly inflammatory stories.

That's not true. If the CBA doesn't go through we will have to cut many more players than you guys just mentioned.

You can still restructure, you just won't save as much but will still save cap space.
We won't be getting any big free-agents without a new CBA, but it is not as bad as some writers speculate.

Again, there is VERY LITTLE that we can save from doing this. Because of the 30% rule even if we restructure all of the big contracts we can we will still have to cut many very good players. I'm talking about starters here!

Anyone who doesn't think that a non-renewal of the CBA is not going to result in our roster being absolutely decemated is ignorant of the facts at hand.

If the CBA is renegotiated, no problem, we can cut a handful of guys we would cut anyway and renegotiate a couple of contracts and we would be in great shape to even sign some quality FAs and all our picks. No problem, no cap hell there.

However, I hate to say it, but Fat Len is right, if the CBA doesn't get renegotiated you're looking at us cutting key starters and having 10-15 rookies (primarily undrafed rookies at that) on our roster next year. It would be an unmitigated disaster. Anyone who believes otherwise does not understand the CBA at all.

MEZZSKIN · Post by **MEZZSKIN** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:20 pm

amen! Someone who understands whats going here....Good post!..

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:41 pm

Its not 10-15 starters, You would be cutting salary, you could cut 5 players if the total money added up.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:02 pm

WOrried why? This is a regular for all teams every year dude just relax thats what GMs are for they get paid big bucks for just this type of thing. Its called management.

vasfinest24 · Post by **vasfinest24** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:36 pm

I for one (and apparently I'm the only one) am not too worried about whether or not a new cba is reached, even though unfortunately its starting to look more and more like there will be one in the next few days. Unlike mezzskin, I'm not buying into the end of the world hypothesis that the players will strike and the NFL will cease to exist without a salary cap. In fact, I see the skins dominating the next decade without the limitations of a cheap and penny-pinching cap. And for all you naysayers and doomsdayers becoming terrified by fat len and prisco's neverending anti-skins rhetoric, why don't you check out jason la canfora's reasoned and rational discussion on how the skins will manage pretty well in either case (yes the article is a month old but if you pay attention everything that he recommends will play out just about the same with or without a new cba- the one difference being whether we are able to pursue new players through FA or if we have to go through the draft to meet needs).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02276.html

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:45 pm

the article is a month old but if you pay attention everything that he recommends will play out just about the same with or without a new cba

Actually that is not true. There is nothing in this article that says the same moves will apply whether or not there is a new CBA.

However, our friends on this web site have put together an interesting analysis of what could be done.

http://redskins.scout.com/2/501659.html

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:46 pm

I really don't appreciate AScheft blabbing about this being "bad for the redskins" because all the owner's already have it out for us, so if it becomes apparent that delaying the CBA hurts us then look for most owner's to try and make that happen, meanwhile Dallas is getting TO are we ready for that crap? All you who said NOOO YOUR CRAZY to want TO, well if he KJ and TG tear us up next season then our blood will be on your hands because we could have had TO

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:46 pm

My question to all you doom and gloomers is why do you believe Fat Len, who has a history of bashing the Redskins and don't believe Jason La Confora, who supports the Redskins? How many times have we seem responses that trash Fat Len? And now you believe he is the 2nd coming of the cap mesiah because of his article?

Shame on you all!!!

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:13 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01722.html

In this latest article, it seems that LaCanfora is agreeing with Lenny. It's not a Lenny conspiracy against the Redskins. They will have to cut players they want to keep without a new CBA...

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:21 pm

I trust that the ones they cut can be replaced

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:31 pm

John Manfreda wrote:I trust that the ones they cut can be replaced

With undrafted rookies? Because that's all we will be able to afford without a new CBA.

Yeah, I'm sure we will have no problem replacing the guys we cut. :shock:

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:37 pm

Looks like there might be some good news!

No Cap Announcement; CBA Deal at Hand?
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Scout.com Staff
WarpathInsiders.com Feb 27, 2006

Today the NFL said volumes about the state of the CBA negotiations with its silence as the expected announcement of the 2006 salary cap didn't take place. As first reported here on scout.com on Saturday, it appears that a labor deal is very close to falling into place.

Reports that the a labor deal between the NFL and its players association is essentially done, as first reported here on scout.com on Saturday night, are beginning to filter through and be reported by other media sources.

One tangible sign that there has been significant progress towards a new CBA was the failure of the NFL to announce the 2006 salary cap today. As scout.com reported over the weekend, the salary cap for the 2006 season was expected to be announced on Monday. However, according to one NFL team that scout.com talked to on Monday, the cap announcement could be pushed back another 24-48 hours because of recent progress toward a new collective bargaining agreement. There are also rumors that the cap actually might be higher than first reported ($95 million).

In the Washington Post, Mark Maske says that “many front-office executives” seem certain that a new CBA is imminent. He wonders why there is private optimism when the last public word we had on the state of the negotiations, from Gene Upshaw, was all about doom and gloom:

Perhaps Tagliabue has sent back-channel signals to the clubs that the negotiations are going better than he and Upshaw have indicated publicly. The owners have scheduled a meeting for next Monday and Tuesday in Dallas, and executives from some teams believe that Tagliabue and Upshaw will reach an agreement by Wednesday and postpone the opening of free agency from Friday until March 10 to give Tagliabue time to get the owners to approve the labor deal and bring their contentious revenue-sharing debate to a close.

While Maske didn’t name any sources in his story, Alex Marvez of the Sun-Sentinel has a pretty good one:

The NFL appears on the verge of reaching agreement on a new labor pact with its players union.

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Monday that progress has been made in talks about a Collective Bargaining Agreement extension.

"I feel that we'll likely have a deal," Jones said while attending the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

Stay tuned to your favorite scout.com NFL site for further breaking developments.

http://redskins.scout.com/2/503468.html

The extensions in the time before the cap is announced and the beginning of FA is sure going to help out our front office as well!

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:43 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2347125

Here is another link suggesting a deal is close to being done.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:43 pm

What happened to all of the "In Gibbs I trust?" Was that just blowing smoke or false bravado???

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:45 pm

aswas71788 wrote:What happened to all of the "In Gibbs I trust?" Was that just blowing smoke or false bravado???

Who said they don't trust Gibbs?

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:46 pm

If they don't trust that he has a plan, then they don't trust in Gibbs!!! Just blow in smoke.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:51 pm

aswas71788 wrote:If they don't trust that he has a plan, then they don't trust in Gibbs!!! Just blow in smoke.

I trust he has a plan, he has said so himself. In fact, I trust he has the best POSSIBLE plan worked out. The only problem is that the best possible plan might not be too good (as in potentially cutting five or six starters).

Sometimes even the best CEO has to make layoffs.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:10 pm

However, I hate to say it, but Fat Len is right, if the CBA doesn't get renegotiated you're looking at us cutting key starters and having 10-15 rookies (primarily undrafed rookies at that) on our roster next year. It would be an unmitigated disaster. Anyone who believes otherwise does not understand the CBA at all.

Only thing you've proven is that you don't know what you're talking about. Will it suck if we don't have an agreement in place? HELL YES, it will hurt us for the uncapped year.
Does that mean you have to take it to the blathering and whiny extreme and agree with Lenny that we will have to release 15 guys from our roster? HELL NO.

You are equating journalism with reality without looking at the facts for yourself. We will likely not be able to acquire any high quality FA's, but we will not have 15 rookies on our roster...anyone who believes that is uninformed.

Uh, I suggest you read the CBA. I have read it...I interned at a sports management firm before enrolling in law school.

If the deal is not in place in time there may be ONE UNCAPPED YEAR....a new agreement will be reached thereafter. I doubt there will be a strike and no the NFL will not cease to exist.

You people sound ridiculous, someone please sticky this thread so these people have to eat their words when this all pans out.

MEZZSKIN · Post by **MEZZSKIN** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:50 pm

I for one totally think a strike will never happen...What im worried about is a very bad cap sitaution for 2006..with zero mobility to get out of it until the 2007 season ...thats my concern.Hopfeully things work out with A CBA deal and all of this is mute