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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:46 am
by hkHog
DiRTyHoG3026 wrote:Ken wizzunhunt(sp?) loves randle el way too much. I watch all of the steelers games and he does at least two or three trick plays per game with him. Plus, I think he's gonna try to stay with pittsburgh, even if he gets less money. Why would he leave a situation where he's a lock for the playoffs and a super bowl contender every year?
To come to another situation where he was a lock for the playoffs and a Super Bowl contender every year!
... and for the money!
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:01 pm
by ChiefPowhatan17
AI like him, but I really don't think he is what we need. We need a guy who is about 225 to give us that big target guy.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:08 am
by Chris Luva Luva
I dont know about you guys but after last nights performance I'd love to have him as our #2 if possible.
He showed great hands.
He showed the ability to catch the ball in traffic.
He uses his body to shield the defender.
He can be our #3 QB!
He and CP both will be able to toss passes on gadget plays.
He'd definately command attention and free up Santana and
ey.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:37 am
by SkinsChic
Agreed....would be great to have him here...however...I doubt the Steelers are going to let him go anywhere.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:28 am
by Skinsfan55
1.) I don't think Gibbs has a history of finding diamonds in the rough, Beatheard (sp) did...
Gibbs hasn't had much luck at all IMO, White, McCune, Newberry, Broughton, Wilson, and Molinaro are Gibbs' second day picks since he's been back and only one (Molinaro) looks like a real prospect, and many of those players are no longer with the team.
Maybe he'll get lucky in this draft, but Gibbs does not have the Midas touch as far as drafting goes... sorry.
2.) Randle El is too small, I think someone already said this but we don't need another tiny reciever. David Patten will probably be our #3 next season and we need a bigger more physical guy to go over the middle to set up long routes and screens for Moss.
We'll probably see some #3 reciever come in who is a virtual unknown, the papers will get on Snyder and the team for not trying to make a big move (even thouigh they're the same ones who slam him when he makes a big FA signing) and they'll be used in the system perfectly and rack up like 800+ yards recieving and 5+ TD's.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:31 am
by NikiH
Yeah we don't need another tiny receiver, I assume you'd be the same guy knocking Moss for his size before he showed up here. If Gibbs likes Randle El then I'm all for it.
Gibbs may not find a lot of diamonds in the rough in the draft?????????? He found
ey. If that's not a diamond in the rough then I have no idea what is. And his ability to do this via free agency is even better. So I'm not worried in the least.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:47 am
by Skinsfan55
lol, Moss is a fine WR, but he can't do it all!
He's got some flaws, he can't win on jump balls, he isn't the best at going over the middle.
We need a compliment to him! Someone who can do all the things that Santana is lacking in.
Oh and I like the clever argument that because I say Randle El is not what the Skins need that I must be trash talking Santana Moss too, well played!... not.
And
ey had like more receptions that any other TE in the NCAA that year, he was NOT an unknown diamond in the rough. He was clearly going to be a very good football player. It's not a huge surprise that he's found the kind of success he has.
Diamonds in the rough are guys like Willie Parker who never started a game in college, or Jeff Bostic who was an undrafted free agent, or Mark Schlereth who was drafted in the 10th round, etc. etc.
ey was a pretty safe pick on draft day.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:52 am
by NikiH
You didn't like Randle El because he's small. Is Santant Moss not small????? Hello??? It's called logic, check into it sometime.
Oh and everyone always expects huge talent out of a third round pick? I think not.
ey was a diamond in the rough because he was great value for where we found him. His quality way exceeds his place in that draft.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:55 am
by hkHog
Skinsfan55, I'm not sure if you noticed but the Steelers just won the Super Bowl without a starting WR taller than 6'. Also, this season the two best WRs in football were Moss and Smith. Size doesn't mean anything, what's important is being a rounded FOOTBALL player.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:07 am
by Skinsfan55
NikiH wrote:You didn't like Randle El because he's small. Is Santant Moss not small????? Hello??? It's called logic, check into it sometime.
Oh and everyone always expects huge talent out of a third round pick? I think not.
ey was a diamond in the rough because he was great value for where we found him. His quality way exceeds his place in that draft.
No, you're wrong.
The TE class was VERY deep that year, we were lucky that
ey dropped to the 3rd round but he was a safe pick, especially for the role we wanted, H-Back.
It was no surprise to anyone that he was able to be a productive weapon in a Joe Gibbs offense.
How can a guy be a diamond in the rough when Joe Gibbs had him scouted all along and traded a pick to get him?! That doesn't make sense.
And thanks for the lesson in logic, clearly saying that Randle El, a small reciever with the same weaknesses as Moss without half the positives isn't what we need is a huge knock on Moss!
You WANT two DT's who are 6-3 300 pounds and have the same skillset, you want two OT's who are the same size with similar skills, you don't usually want two recievers the same size with same skills, you want a balance, like the Skins had with Monk and Clark in the late 80's early 90's.
And hkHog, you're confusing size and playing ability. Randle El is almost 200 pounds according to some sources, and he's quick but not a burner with his speed. He's a playmaker with the ball in his hands because he's agile, but he's not going to burn by people like Moss... so in short, he's like Moss without the speed or separation ability.
Hines Ward is 6-0 215, and he excells at making the catch in traffic, he plays much bigger than his size and he is probably the best blocker at WR in the NFL... he's not very explosive and isn't much of a threat for YAC but when he's single covered he can muscle for the ball.
He is a totally different type of WR! That's why the Steelers are so successful, they have two different types of weapons who cover up for the shortcomings of the other WR!
If Randle El (5'10'' 192 pounds) was built like stone and could make the catch over the middle in traffic and fight for jump balls in single coverage then he would fit, he would compliment Santana nicely, but he doesn't so I don't want him.
Besides, his price tag will be too high.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:25 am
by JansenFan
Skinsfan55 wrote:1.) I don't think Gibbs has a history of finding diamonds in the rough, Beatheard (sp) did...
Gibbs hasn't had much luck at all IMO, White, McCune, Newberry, Broughton, Wilson, and Molinaro are Gibbs' second day picks since he's been back and only one (Molinaro) looks like a real prospect, and many of those players are no longer with the team.
Only two of those players are no longer with the team.
White-IR
McCune played ST at the end
Newberry gone
Broughton, played special teams some this year.
Wlison gone
Molinaro still here.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:28 am
by Skinsfan55
Okay, my bad, I forgot that McCune was a practice squad call up and that Nemo came back...
But only Nemo or White will be back IMO (same type of player) and I still stand by my saying that Molinaro looks like the only prospect.
I hope I'm wrong, I hope McCune becomes a beast middle linebacker and White or Nemo become a Mike Sellers type red-zone weapon...
but the fact remains that Gibbs had a GM when he was getting all those late round stars. It wasn't all on him, and it would be silly to expect a bunch of 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounders to become superstars in Washington just because St. Gibbs is here.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:56 am
by air_hog
Either way, I don't think we will even have to chance to sign Randle El anymore.
Last night, everyone saw how valuable Randle El is to the Steelers, and I highly doubt they will let him walk away.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:35 am
by crazyhorse1
The irony is that many of us would now seem to be satisfied with a WR at No.2 who could put up the same kind of numbers Gardner used to put up.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:16 am
by Chris Luva Luva
How can a guy be a diamond in the rough when Joe Gibbs had him scouted all along and traded a pick to get him?! That doesn't make sense.
It does to me. It takes someone to recognize that diamond and to grab it and thats what Joe did. It took Joe to realize that he was worth a trade, if
ey was such a hot commidity he would have went in the 2nd round. He's been a better TE than Heath? who was taken in the 1st round. Neither you or I know how far
ey would have fallen, it very well could have been to the 4th or 5th round. You mention Willie Parker, someone had to recognize some type of spark in him to give him a chance also.
I dont see a diamond in the ruff being a blind stroke of luck. Its luck that these players pass their path but not that the talent is recognized.
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:21 am
by tcwest10
Skinsfan55 wrote:Okay, my bad, I forgot that McCune was a practice squad call up and that Nemo came back...
You
forgot that Nemo came back and that McCune played ?
My 15 year old forgot to take out the garbage today, and it's been his job for six years, so I guess it's possible.
For some reason, I see you posting lately just to argue points that you haven't really got the foggiest notion on to begin with.
I don't know what's going on here, but you can bet on one thing. There's no shortage of knowledgable posters here that will call you out on it every single time.
Just do the math, '55. You have the vocabulary. You have the smarts. You apparently have the free time. Think about what you're saying before you say it. You have responsibility as a seasoned poster to be as informed as possible.
Instead of rattling cages, rock worlds.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:11 am
by 1niksder
Back on Topic with a
UPDATE
Redskins look at Randle El
By Ryan O'Halloran
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 27, 2006
INDIANAPOLIS -- If the Washington Redskins are able to rework enough contracts and cut enough players to get under the projected salary cap of $95 million by Thursday and then free up some more cash to sign a new player, Pittsburgh receiver Antwaan Randle El could be on their radar.
Randle El had 35 catches for 558 yards and a touchdown and returned 44 punts for a 10.2-yard average and two touchdowns last season. He threw a touchdown in the Super Bowl. The Redskins clearly need help at receiver, and their punt return game (28th in the NFL) was a season-long exhibition in short gains or fair catches.
Randle El is expected to be pursued by Chicago and Philadelphia. Pittsburgh would like to keep Randle El but not at the kind of price he will command on the open market.
"I don't know if he priced himself out [of the our plans]," said Kevin Colbert, director of football operations for the Steelers. "We don't know the interest level, but we certainly have an interest in keeping Antwaan. Anytime you win a Super Bowl, it enhances your value, maybe artificially.
"Antwaan is a unique player. When you look at his sheer numbers, you're not going to be real impressed, but there's no doubt he was a big part of our success."
Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage said Randle El's market value is tough to gauge.
"He's not a cookie-cutter receiver," Savage said. "He's a little different, and that's one thing I admire about what Pittsburgh has done. They've taken a Randle El and a Hines Ward and have known what to do with those guys. They've been creative."
If the Steelers lose Randle El, Colbert didn't rule out drafting somebody like Missouri quarterback Brad Smith, who could play a variety of positions in the NFL.
A shot-in-the-dark scenario: The Redskins sign Randle El. He serves as their kick/punt returner, No. 3 receiver and No. 3 quarterback. It probably won't happen, but it would save the Redskins some cap space because, if they trade Patrick Ramsey, they would need to acquire another quarterback.
Low score for Young?
The Web site profootballtalk.com reported late Saturday night that Texas quarterback Vince Young scored a horrific six out of 50 on the Wonderlic test.
But Houston general manager Charley Casserly said yesterday he was told the report was inaccurate "by a source who is reliable enough for me to stand up and say that."
Players have 12 minutes to complete the exam. The Web site reported that Young -- unlike most draft prospects -- had not taken a practice exam before arriving at the combine.
Casserly said it is common for players to be retested when they visit with teams leading into the draft.
Looking for linemen
With Ray Brown's retirement, the Redskins lack depth on the offensive line. Jim Molinaro will be entering his third season but has played little, and veteran Cory Raymer -- if he's not a salary cap casualty -- is limited to playing center.
Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said the team would like to find a "combo" lineman who could play tackle and another position.
Brown, meanwhile, was one of 10 people inducted into the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame this weekend. Brown, who made 206 career starts, grew up in Marion, Ark., and played at Arkansas State.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:07 pm
by gay4pacman
i think we have a good chance at nabbing him but it all relies on this cba
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:32 pm
by spudstr04
If anyone has ESPN INSIDER capabilties, please go to the website and get the article about randle el....it has the headline that the skins are after randle el......check it out, and get back to us because i can not read it
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:51 pm
by Skinsfan55
I really don't want Randle El, in fact I would be pretty disappointed to land him in free agency.
He will command more money than he is worth, he's a slot reciever and would not compliment Moss at all... He's a decent but unremarkable player who would be a slight upgrade on Patten.
He would fit on the Bears playing 2nd WR to MM.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:04 am
by gay4pacman
Skins after Randle El
<Feb. 27> If the Redskins can find a way to get under the projected salary cap of $95 million, they'll likely make a run at Randle El, The Washington Times reports.
The Bears and Eagles are also interested in Randle El, an unrestricted free agent. Randle El, like Eagles QB Donovan McNabb, grew up in the Chicago area and is represented by Fletcher Smith. Although the Steelers would like to retain Randle El, the wide receiver's asking price is probably too high for Pittsburgh.
"I don't know if he priced himself out [of the our plans]," said Kevin Colbert, director of football operations for the Steelers. "We don't know the interest level, but we certainly have an interest in keeping Antwaan. Anytime you win a Super Bowl, it enhances your value, maybe artificially.
here the insider quote on el and the skins
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:30 am
by SirSmizzy
SkinzCanes wrote:We have no use for Randel El. He basically does the same types of things that Moss does. What we need is a bigger, possesion type receiver and not another speed guy....we have enough of those already.
Bingo.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:33 am
by Raindog
SirSmizzy wrote:SkinzCanes wrote:We have no use for Randel El. He basically does the same types of things that Moss does. What we need is a bigger, possesion type receiver and not another speed guy....we have enough of those already.
Bingo.
We have a use for anyone that can get open
consistently enough to draw attention off of Moss. While a nice 7 foot possession reciever might be optimal, JJ from Seattle is getting older and El is still young. Patten in the slot, Randle-el a #2,
ey and Portis from the backfield and Sellers as a Red Zone threat... I can think off many worse compbinations.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:37 am
by Skinsfan55
Eric Moulds is going to be released by the Bills, I would LOVE to get him!
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:12 am
by Redskin in Canada
tcwest10 wrote:I don't know what's going on here, but you can bet on one thing. There's no shortage of knowledgable posters here that will call you out on it every single time.
...
Think about what you're saying before you say it. You have responsibility as a seasoned poster to be as informed as possible...
You are asking for something that is fair to ask but it is too much to give by the other side at least up to now.
I do not respond to any of his posts anymore. I skip over his posts and address others in the threads. The fact that somebody can post here does not create an obligation on me to take him into consideration when the facts are wrong and the opinions have no foundation. His posts are noise to me.
Ah! and yes you are right about the players.