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BH said:

just because Casey made a mistake doesn't mean that you toss him to the wolves IMO.

Cover for him all you want, the situation was that all we needed was a field goal... and we were well within range. If Rabach's man slips him and makes a no gain tackle, we are still in range, with a couple of downs still left.

OOOOPS... Casey made a boo-boo.

There was really only one thing you would ask of an offensive lineman at that point... "Don't do anything stupid". Only one thing...

DEHog wrote:Iliked the call in that spot...we didn't need a first down and if Portis ripped off a 6-8 yard run followed up by a two or three yarder we're looking at a FG of less than 45 yards. If we had throwm two incomplete passes we wold be saying why...#^%$%&^. The bottom line is the player HAVE to exicute the play that's called!!

i disagree. i think we did need a first down. portis gains 2 on second down, and brunell throws incomplete on third down, leaving hall to try a 53 yarder. even if we throw incomplete twice, now it's a 55 yarder. what's the difference? you can't expect him to hit from either spot.

as soon as the holding call was made, it was a two-pass situation in my mind. or at least not a bread and butter running play and pass situation. a draw, a shovel pass, anything but running it up the gut. it was too predicable.

DEHog wrote:Iliked the call in that spot...we didn't need a first down and if Portis ripped off a 6-8 yard run followed up by a two or three yarder we're looking at a FG of less than 45 yards. If we had throwm two incomplete passes we wold be saying why...#^%$%&^. The bottom line is the player HAVE to exicute the play that's called!!

I see what you are saying...I think the run could have worked, I just have a problem with Gibbs always running out of similar formations. We haven't run a draw play out of the shotgun or any off tackle plays out of a spread formation. Gibbs insists on running of of the same formation, same shifts etc..and it gets too predictable. In a situation like that we have to have some plays that we haven't shown...just like the Chargers ran the fake pitch to LT and threw in the flat to Gates...that was the first time we saw that play all game and it caught us off guard...when is the last time we caught anybody off guard in the 4th quarter.

So while the run may have worked, he can't expect it to work when he makes it so obvious...mix it up a little. JACK BURNS is up in the booth for nothing...he rarely sees anything.

Countertrey wrote:BH said:

just because Casey made a mistake doesn't mean that you toss him to the wolves IMO.

Cover for him all you want, the situation was that all we needed was a field goal... and we were well within range. If Rabach's man slips him and makes a no gain tackle, we are still in range, with a couple of downs still left.

OOOOPS... Casey made a boo-boo.

There was really only one thing you would ask of an offensive lineman at that point... "Don't do anything stupid". Only one thing...

Cover for him? Huh? I agree that it's a terrible mistake and one that cost us dearly... I'm not trying to cover anything. Casey Rabach made a costly mistake.... make you feel better?

But I think Casey has performed decently and considering it's only his second year at center, and that he is young, I think he should continue to develop into a solid o-line player. I'm not in any way taking away from his error, I just don't think that it justifies a finite decision on his relative worth as some people seem to do EVERY time ANY player makes a mistake out there. We're 11 games into the season and it's the first time there has really been much to say about Rabach.... which generally means that he's doing a decent job.

If it weren't for the offensive collapse in the 4th quarter, wouldn't we all likely just be talking about how much time Brunell had to throw all day? I thought the o-line was great in the first half and on the TD scoring drive in the third. They were giving Brunell great protection. Portis didn't have much success but that's likely due to the fact that the Chargers have an excellent run defense as well. The o-line played well for almost 3 quarters.

But we crawled into an offensive shell... and moved the ball like a turtle for the rest of the game after that great 3rd quarter drive... poor execution... poor play calling... BOTH contributed to giving the Chargers way too many kicks at the can. We were far too predictable, far too conservative, and FAR TOO EASY TO DEFEND.

Yes... we could have kicked the field goal there to win the game, but there is NO way that it should have come down to that. I think that any time you pin a loss on one particular play, that you are likely ignoring a half dozen others that could have just as easily reversed the outcome of the game.

I'm with the Boss on this one - C. Rabach did something dumb yesterday, but has otherwise been solid at center.

He doesn't deserve to be benched for his mistake. He has been very productive for us. Seeing a guy like him make a critical mistake just makes this even more puzzling.

If it were the same player every week that cost us the game with a mistake, then it would be an easy solution, but this team has found a completely different way to squander a lead...which is utterly dumbfounding.

Whether its Rock Cartwright fumbling for a score.
Holdman not getting run by.
Walt Harris getting burned.
Portis fumbling.
Brunell fumbling.
Raybach holding.
Royal dropping balls.

It is always one crucial mistake that proves to be the one that we can't overcome. No one play or player loses the game, but we always seem to have that ONE mistake too many that kills our chances.

Eliminate any one of those mistakes and you're looking at an 9-2 or 8-3 team.

we can be at best 9-2 or even 8-3 right now

i,m not giving in on this deal cause joe gibbs will get this deal going once he gets more of what he needs on the field.

gibbsfan wrote:we can be at best 9-2 or even 8-3 right now

i,m not giving in on this deal cause joe gibbs will get this deal going once he gets more of what he needs on the field.

Exactly right. Some of the problems with the O is play calling. But the majority of our problems come from lack of playmakers on the offense. Outside of Moss and Portis we don't really have any threats.

Sadly we are suffering through Gibbs' learning curve. Not that he doesn't know football, but I think he now should understand that you have to stay aggressive to win ball games instead of curling up into the fetal position.

I am a Casey supporter. He has been solid all year round for us. He's a strong link on the line and for his 1st year he has done an admirable job.

A lot of you, including myself are very sad right now. I dont think you guys are juding him on this one play or one loss but with a snowball effect of the previous losses.

Casey is a great blocker all around.

I support him 100%

Rabach has been doing good just a bonehead play. It just so happens that it happend at the worst possible time too. All in all I like him on the team he has a nasty streak to him. Look at that wuss whats his name Derrick Mockery of a linemen at least Rabach gives 100percent effort. I can forgive him this once please dont let it happen again or we will trade him to the raiders. j/k

SkinsfaninNJ wrote:

gibbsfan wrote:we can be at best 9-2 or even 8-3 right now

i,m not giving in on this deal cause joe gibbs will get this deal going once he gets more of what he needs on the field.

Exactly right. Some of the problems with the O is play calling. But the majority of our problems come from lack of playmakers on the offense. Outside of Moss and Portis we don't really have any threats.

Portis? Since when is Portis a threat? There's 27 backs in the NFL with longer runs from scrimmage than Portis' longest (41 yards - the first game of the year)... If, by "threat" you mean the 28th most explosive back in the NFL, then you're right, he's a threat...

by the way, 11 of those guys in front of him don't even have a hundred carries... Portis has 222

Hmm...he is a threat...if you call accounting for an average of 1770 total yards per season a "non-threat" then so be it.

Portis is on pace to do it again, amassing over 1600 yds of total offense this year. Just because he isn't leading the league in rushing, or ripping of 50 yds doesn't mean he isn't a threat.