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DESkins wrote:Gibbs was always known for pulling a few "gems" out in the later rounds of the draft. Part of that may have been that in the early days of his first tenure, he had Bobby Beathard as a GM, and he had the ability to take players, hide them away for a few years and develop them, something that is not practical under today's salary cap conditions. There weren't that many trades (that I remember, but I'm getting old, my memory ain't what it was) that really made an impact, but the ones that I remember were Jim Lachey, Jumpy Geathers, Wilbur Marshall, and I seem to recall we traded for Matt Millen, although some of the other old-timers could correct me on any of those. Drafts, though, largely gave us the Hogs, Jacoby, Butz, Bostic, Grimm & Co. They also gave us a few unheralded tight ends that worked out pretty well, Donny Warren, Neil Olkiewicz, and let's never forget Art Monk!!! So I think it's fair to say that the draft has been more of a strength for Joe. Of course there have been busts, but any coach is going to have those. It's just that the busts were more recent, and thus a lot fresher in folks' minds. Part of that might have come from a change in the GM, when Beathard left and Charlie Casserly came in.

air_hog wrote:

weneedcharlesmann wrote:I agree that tight end is a need, but our highest draft pick, whatever it ends up being, has gotta be a d-end.

See, I agree that DE is definately our biggest need, but I like feel that at about midway through the 2nd round, there won't be anymore dominant DE (and I guarentee you Kiwi or Mario Williams won't be there unless they get injured)

So when we are put in that position, I say we draft for best overall talent at a needed spot, and I believe right about that time is where the dominant TE will get drafted.

Put it this way, there will be about 5 dominant DLinemen in the draft, but they will all be gone by the 2nd round. And therre will be about 2-3 dominant TE in the draft, who should start to get picked at about our selection. So I say get 1 Stud TE and 1 OK DE instead of getting 1 OK Pass rusher and 1 OK TE...

I love your "give up" philosophy . Yeah 1 more draft we don't get a defensive lineman then we will be in worse shape, if that's possible, next year.

UK Skins Fan wrote:The point is that Gibbs' teams used to built in a balanced way, with a real mix of draft picks and free agents, with a limited number of trades thrown in. But, a very large part of the roster used to come from free agents and other team's cast offs. In theory, with only seven rounds in the draft, it should be a lot easier these days to pick up undrafted gems, but we seem to struggle to do so. A decent professional GM would surely help, but I guess that won't happen all the time that Cerrato is in town. But that's another topic that has already been done to death.

thaiphoon wrote:I agree about Vinny C... but not necessarily about the latest drafts... what player have we drafted after the 3rd round in the past 2 years that has made an impact? Other teams are finding these late round gems...we aren't? Why ??

thaiphoon wrote:Thanks Skins_Canes. I knew someone would be able to put a list together before I coudl get to it.

thaiphoon wrote:what player have we drafted after the 3rd round in the past 2 years that has made an impact? Other teams are finding these late round gems...we aren't? Why

thaiphoon wrote:Splitting hairs I see. I'm only stating last 2 years since Gibbs has been here. But we can take it further and include the time that Cerrato and even while Danny has been here if you'd like. My point is that we have not done well in the later rounds in a long time.

BTW - ey was drafted in the 3rd round. Dockery was drafted in the 3rd in 2003 (inside my 2 year limit). Please name a player taken in the past 2 years (2003 draft counts also) that was taken after the 3rd round that is making an impact on our team.

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:When did we get Antonio Pierce?

When did we get Antonio Pierce

thaiphoon wrote:I have to lump Gibbs in with the other two since he is part of the organization. My larger point is that we are not picking up quality players later on like we once used to... it has grown into a chronic problem year after year and so far Gibbs' presence has not exorcised it. And while you might still have the jury out on DD I do not... still DD was a 3rd rounder, I don't consider 3rd round a "late round" pick.

Greg Blache wrote:
He’s got a few. First of all, he’s a strong strong run player. He’s probably one of the best run-stopping defensive ends in the league. He and Renaldo Wynn as a tandem, I don’t know of anyone who’s got 2 guys as good as we do. And as far as putting pressure, I think those guys do a good job of putting pressure – its not flashy pressure, its not selfish out on the edge real wide where people can fit inside running the football – I think that’s one of the things that fans don’t realize, some of the guys that we quote call ‘pass rushers’ post numbers, but they aren’t as effective stopping the run, they aren’t as effective fitting in the system, stunting inside so blitzes can come outside of them, or dropping into the zones in the zone blitzes. Phillips the total player. He’s strong against the run, he gives us a good push on the pass rush, he’s good in his pass coverage. He’s one of the guys that’s an unsung hero. That’s one of the things that I say about he and Renaldo Wynn – they’re like the engine in a Mercedes. You don’t see the glitter, you don’t see the spinners, you don’t see the outside – but they’re what makes it run. Just go outside and look at your pretty car. The thing that makes it run is not the prettiness that they see, it’s the foundation, it’s the motor inside. And I think that’s what I think Phillip Daniels has been for us here like he was in Chicago, he’s part of that motor, he’s part of who we are that make us run.

Greg Blache wrote:The one thing that happens is, we’re always evolving, we’re always rotating things. I think that one thing, the last couple of weeks we’ve had some plays that all of a sudden people are saying ‘Oh!’ – this panic thing. But like I say – we’re still #1 in the NFL in completion percentage and nobody knows about it. The fact that we’re capable of stopping people. We played a real good offense last week, and they had 16 points. That’s much more than we want, but at the same time, other teams have good players too and they’re going to challenge at times. We’re going to continue to rotate things and continue do the things we are capable of doing. There’s no question, the more people study us, the more they look at what we’re doing. I don’t know who this great pass rusher is that people thinks the answer.

Dwight Freeney or John Abraham?

Dwight Freeney, and no disrespect to him, but he’s in a system where they don’t play the run. They just go up field. And he also plays on turf. If you ever looked at Indianapolis football, they play a totally different system than we do. I don’t know what John Abraham’s numbers are, I think John’s an excellent football player, but those guys would not necessarily fit into our system to do all the things we want them to do. I think the one thing you have to understand, I don’t think you can take a Corvette motor and put it in an SUV. People see all this flash and glitter and they think that’s the ultimate answer. And its not. If that were the answer the Colts would’ve won the Super Bowl already.

Dwight Freeney’s been there the last couple years. So I don’t think that’s the ultimate answer. We live in a glitter society, we get all caught up in the glitter. Glitter is not necessarily going to be the answer for you. Sometimes we get caught up in the numbers and the flash. I kind of giggle sometimes when I look at the Pro Bowl list and see some of the guys who go because they have 16 sacks. And their team lets them go because they don’t play the run. We’re going to stop the run. We’re going to make you throw the football, then we’re going to go after you and we’re going to try and pressure you. I’m certain, people on the outside listening to the sportscasters say ‘you don’t have enough pressure’, ‘you don’t have this or the other’ – I don’t buy that. I’ve been around this business 18 years. I believe in my people and what they’re doing. I respect everybody else and I understand how they get inundated with sports talk shows and NFL stuff. It’s like the parent whose child’s a heart surgeon, and they’re complaining because they’re not a brain surgeon. We’re heart surgeons. We may not be brain surgeons, but love us just the same.

Greg Blache wrote:You know what? That’s another ‘perception as opposed to reality’ thing. Actually, right now, we’re #1 in the NFL in completion percentage against us. We don’t have great sack numbers. But out of everyone in the NFL, we have the lowest completion percentage bar no one else in the league. We live in an age where people like to see drama, they want fast and flashy. We’re not fast and flashy, but we’re efficient.