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Thanks r4ever! This may be interesting to some from that article:- Patrick Ramsey

- Sets up fluidly with good balance and footwork…Poised under pressure, showing toughness stepping up in the pocket…Goes through progressions and does a nice job reading defenses…Shows power and snap in his release, delivering with proper over-the-top mechanics.

What happened?

Now I know this thread is about Campbell but my point in looking for this or any info about Ramsey is this - I remember thinking that the background looked promising and I thought he might make it. I am not sure that the coaches (or the NFL talent) affected him or what but it seems like some of these traits are not that evident anymore?

crazyhorse1 wrote:I don't know what's worse about you Ramsey haters: your stupidly or your ingratitude.

I think you're just jealous of our ability to spell properly.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I would participate in this thread with an opinion but REALLY, the more time passes, the less I really feel I know about the QB situation in Washington.

By that I mean -anything- can still happen. I will not be surprised about any future choice made by Joe.

Oh really? Gibbs just named Ramsey the starter against the Seahawks.



















Just kidding, but you've got to admit you were shocked.

His bubble? Dang I feel slooooow, I still don't get it. :O(

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:I think you're just jealous of our ability to spell properly.

It's not really that big of a secret: P. . . r. . . .o. . .p. . .

I've watched a lot of football, and I am an Auburn alumni and a big fan, but of ALL the QBs I've ever watched, no one has impressed me more than Jason Campbell.

During the 11-0 season last year for Auburn, I watched a young QB dominate with his fellow-teammates, as a great, humble, talented leader. I intensely watched every game. Then I watched Washington, with 2 shaky QBs, always fearing an interception or a sack. No kidding, I said to my friends, if only the Skins could have Campbell as our QB, our team would be SET. I mean, PERFECT. And mind you, there was no other day in my life I was so high and happy when the Redskins drafted Jason, and Carlos Rogers to boot. We now have the key, the missing piece to the puzzle. He is the diamond in the rough, and I can't wait until you see him perform.

He is the most dependable QB IMO that I've rooted for, even more so than I depended on Joe Theismann, although I know there is no comparison until he plays NFL. At NO point were you fearing Campbell would throw an interception. He IS football-smart, and whenever the planned play did not work out, he thought fast to make a different completion. He is a THINKER, a genius in the pocket, calm, proficient, and effective.

He is not afraid to run it in himself. Impressed with Brunell's 25 yard stint the other night? Campbell is much faster and would not have hesitated so long when the hole opened.

All of what Chris Luva Luva said about him is 100% true. I cannot think of a weakness for Campbell, except for needing NFL playing time with the big boys.

You guys ain't seen nothin' yet from Campbell. He'd come in the second half with the scrubs as DCD said, after Ramsey & Brunell had the first-string. Clearly there was a heap less O-line protection. I mean in the Ravens pre-season game, right after the snap there was a Raven chasing him, and he still managed some execution.

You all may be excited now after that Dallas game, but this player will be the one going to Disneyworld in the superbowl we win.

Thanks for the background, georgiaredskin.

A nod of thanks from here too, georgia!

I think we had an inkling that Gibbs saw the potential in that he went to great lengths to ensure we got him. My only concern is that the "potential" not be put at risk as it seemed to be with Ramsey. Maybe he will prove to Joe that he is already ready to learn "on the go' as it were. I could get very excited about the size and athletic ability but it's the head that is really important.

Yall are missing the most important thing from his post! This man clearly has an eye for talent and good football sense!

georgiaredskin wrote:All of what Chris Luva Luva said about him is 100% true. I cannot think of a weakness for Campbell, except for needing NFL playing time with the big boys.

Happy to give my humble opinion, guys, thanks. I wish all fellow fans had experienced this Auburn-Redskins special connection---if you had, I know you'd be as excited as I am about Campbell. Auburn has produced classy, humble, 'Gibbs-character' players. Just look at Marcus Washington. A REAL Redskin, as Gibbs' says.

SkinsJock wrote:
I could get very excited about the size and athletic ability but it's the head that is really important.

I know what a tough, focused, strong-headed QB Campbell was at Auburn. And with that NFL time to play, I have no doubt he will have it with us. Just like at Auburn, he will have his team and fans supporting him, a 'family' of support.

The SEC is no joke when it comes to football. And I don't know about you, but I've seen Florida fans be more obnoxious than Philly fans. And Auburn-Alabama's rivalry is crude like Dallas-Skins. Don't ever underestimate Southern football. I think it is the best preview to the NFL there could be.

I'm glad you all take notice of his attributes and like me, are grateful we have him to develop.

Yeah, I mean playing in the SEC is as close as it comes to the NFL. Campbell should be relatively comfortable playing on the road in the NFL considering that most of the stadiums he played in at Auburn are BIGGER than FEDEX! At least crowd noise and all the hoopla going on shouldn't distract him.

There is one thing that bothers me though. Peter King thinks he will be a good player and King is a freaking moron! At least he blasted Gibbs a bunch of times for picking him even though King said Campbell would be a "top 5" player from this draft. That made me feel a lot better.

crazyhorse1 wrote:I'm really sick of the knife Ramsey posts. He saved our collective face last year and was virtually our only hope during the Spurrier fiasco, which spread pieces of him across the fields of the NFL. He's averaged 200 yds plus per game as a Skin and less than an interception a game in the worse situation imaginable. I don't know what's worse about you Ramsey haters: your stupidly or your ingratitude.

who are you refering too ??? and guess what if he is or was so good he would be playing right now,but mark has HIS job so SUPPORT HIM !!! not the clip board holder.

During the 11-0 season last year for Auburn

Hmm, I thought we went 13-0 last year

But I do remember going 11-0 in 1993...but Jason Campbell was like 11

LOL......oops!

is he going to be any good?

Yes

Will Jason Campbell be good? Likely. Will he be great? Absolutely not. Campbell was a totally unremarkable college Quarterback at a school that's success was due to their RBs (You know, the ones that went number two and number five overall).

Campbell couldn't manage more than 2700 yards in a season or more than 20 touchdowns in a season, even though defenses focused almost entirely on the runningbacks. He isn't fundamentally sound, and can't throw on the run (pretty big problem for a guy you count on mobility from).

Watching him, he isn't the kind of player who really draws much attention -good or bad. He does just well enough that no one hates him, and just poorly enough you have no reason to want him as a starting QB.

He makes mistakes, but not big ones. He has a strong arm, but isn't particularly good at taking advantage of it. He's mobile, but won't get you very many yards running. He can read a defense decently, but takes too long to recognize any briefly open recievers.

Was he worth what the Redskins paid for him? No. Will he be ready to play any time in the next few years? No. In five years, where will he be and what will he be doing? He'll be in Washington as an unremarkable starter at QB, except for occasional remarks about how the Redskins paid too much to get him.

deepthoughtlife wrote:
Campbell was a totally unremarkable college Quarterback at a school that's success was due to their RBs (You know, the ones that went number two and number five overall).

Really? It was a TEAM effort to victory. He clicked with the RBs and the WRs and was a LEADER of the undefeated team. His INDIVIDUAL awards disagree with you:

CBSsportsline.com and USA TODAY:
Campbell's development at the quarterback position was a major reason Auburn put together an undefeated 2004 season. This was a player that worked with four different offensive coordinators during his four years with the Tigers, but it was quarterback guru Al Borges who unearthed and fine-tuned the impressive athletic ability that Campbell possesses.

Long hours in the offseason paid off, as Campbell would outperform the Southeastern Conference's more heralded passers to earn SEC Offensive Player of the Year honors from the league's coaches and the Associated Press. He was chosen a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award and for the inaugural Manning Award given to the nation's best collegiate quarterback. Campbell also was a semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award and named one of the ten players to watch for the Walter Camp Award.

His pass completion percentage of 69.6 ranks second on the school's single-season record chart, topped only by Ben Leard (70.7 percent) in 1999. Only Dameyune Craig (3,277 in 1997) threw for more yards in a season for the Tigers. Campbell's 188 pass completions rank fourth on Auburn's season record list and his 2,730 yards in total offense rank third. His 31 victories (31-8 record) as a starter are the most by any passer in school history and eighth in the SEC.

JJ Pesavento @ KFFL.com wrote:
To begin with, Campbell is an exceptional athlete. He is very mobile and possesses good scrambling skills. He is quick to set up and also has a quick release. He has a live arm and can make all the NFL throws. Campbell has improved his pocket presence and normally stays cool under pressure. He is a hard worker as is evident by the improvements in his game in 2004 over the previous season. While not the vocal type, he leads by example and is a team player.

And Joe Gibbs, the main man, obviously disagrees with you:

Washington Post 4/24/05:
"In that case you take the best player there irregardless of the fact we feel like we have a good quarterback situation," Gibbs said. "We felt like his value was something we couldn't pass up."

Campbell's size (6-4, 223 pounds), accuracy, quickness, ability outside the pocket, elusiveness and arm strength -- "He can actually throw a fadeaway," Gibbs said. "He doesn't have to be stepping forward." -- caught their attention

Jason Campbell started for a good team...well, so did Jason White and Chris Rix. SEC awards are hardly inspiring either since there was so little real competition for tem. As for being in the running for league wide awards, so were a lot of other nothing players -look at the history of awards such as the Heisman. Also, the records he was nearly at are nothing special, considering that Stefan Lefors (fourth rounder) had a 73.5% completion percentage, and that already this year, five college players have at least thirteen touchdowns (with the highest being 16), seven more have eleven, four have ten, seven have nine, etc after roughly three games.

The KFFL.com quote does not contradict what I have said -I never said he hadn't been improving, but considering where he was coming from, it wasn't that hard to improve.

Joe Gibbs very obviously would disagree with me on this point, but I don't see why we should bow down to the man -I have seen him commit many blunders since he came back. Jason Campbell was not a value, and would not have been value for any team at that spot, but he especially wasn't a value since Ramsey is better than Jason Campbell (though, Gibbs messed that up as well by starting Brunell, AGAIN).

Campbell is in a great situation. And he was a good college QB. But if you look at the other QB's around the league and imagine them having time to learn a system and watching game film with Joe Bugel every day... he's going to be very special - maybe even GREAT. Time will tell. But I think he's got more guts and brains than his doubters give him credit for having... guess we'll see. Friendly wager anyone?

deepthoughtlife,

I sure don't share the same 'deep' thoughts as you. Campbell is a rookie QB from a southern state and a southern college whom most people up here have NEVER seen play except for a few pre-season quarters with scrubs. But, I really do not understand anyone who downplays SEC football or Joe Gibbs.

So, I'll have to agree to disagree with you. It doesn't matter what I feel or think anyway.

As for Joe Gibbs, apparently it does matter what he feels or thinks. He went with his 'gut' on Brunell, and we are 2-0 after a blazing comeback Dallas MNF win.

All I can say at this point to you is, just watch. You will see what I already see.

All I can say at this point to you is, just watch. You will see what I already see.

Don't hold your breath... some people are just never wrong.

Originally posted by Countertrey:
Don't hold your breath... some people are just never wrong.

LOL. Yeah, some people are never wrong, just always negative.

One of the great things about the NFL is that you rarely can tell about how successful a player will be from his college career. There are just so many instances of great college careers ending with little or no NFL careers, and the reverse is also true. You just cannot tell how they will adapt to the opportunity when it comes and how the system they find themselves in will suit their particular attributes.

I do know one thing, if you are a QB, there could not be too many better than Gibbs at evaluating your potential and then getting you ready. There could not be too many situations that would be better than Cambell is in right now.





And that is # 1000! If I had known I might have been tempted to wax on at great length. I'm glad I did not notice as a matter of fact because there have been so many quality milestone posts - and I just know I would have blown it!

Regarding Jason Campbell, Peter King (who hardly ever has anything nice to say about the Skins) has said repeatedly that he thinks when it's all said and done, Campbell will be one of the best 5 players from this past draft.

Then of course he slams the skins for giving up too much to get him, but whatever....

PulpExposure wrote:Regarding Jason Campbell, Peter King (who hardly ever has anything nice to say about the Skins) has said repeatedly that he thinks when it's all said and done, Campbell will be one of the best 5 players from this past draft.

Then of course he slams the skins for giving up too much to get him, but whatever....

That's what worries me most, Peter King thinks he's good.