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Why doesn't anyone seem to be worried about Brunell's arm strength? If the only pass he throws is the hitch pass to the WR, the defense can simply key in on the run and we will get a repeat performance of last year with Brunell at the helm.
If his arm is stronger, fine. I'll believe it when I see it.
But if he can't throw the ball 20 yards in the air...
Portis will have a tough year.

Being a supporter of Ramsey, I've now concluded that we just can't count on him to lead this team. He's had more than enough time to get it together, and has an excellent supporting cast. With an outstanding defense, and a solid O-line, veteran recievers, and two outstanding backs, there is no reason whatsoever for such a lack of points other than poor quarterback play. He shows signs of breaking out, and then turns around and makes horrible decisions, and continues to repeat "rookie" like mistakes that erases any positives. At least with Campbell, there'd be an excuse for these rookie mistakes, and some reason to expect light at the end of the tunnel.

With that said, Gibbs had to make the switch from Ramsey, but I think if he sticks with Brunell the way he did last year, we're dead. I cringe when I replay in my mind Brunell's performance last year. I don't recall ever seeing worse quarterback play, ever! Brunell's preseason play this year was somewhat encouraging, but against second teamers, there is little to hang your hat on at this point, and no real reason for high confidence. His relief effort Sunday was at best, uneventful. No turnovers, but no touchdowns either.

The Skins are one quarterback away from 12-4, but neither Brunell or Ramsey are that quarterback, and everyone knows it. everybody in the NFC East has the quarterback advantage over us...Mcnabb, Manning, Bledsoe, and we can't win with 9 points, unless you're playing baseball.

So this is the deal....either Brunell steps up to the plate and earns the outrageous money being paid him, and vindicates Gibbs decision to bring him here (i.e. he needs to produce a competent output like Mark Rypien, who was no superstar but got the job done) or we need to bite the bullet and put Campbell in there. I mean seriously!! Campbell couldn't possibly play any worse than Brunell did last year, because no one has ever played worse than Brunell did last year. So I give Brunell 1 game. Dallas....Monday night football, put points on the board or make way for the rookie.

So yeah, Bradshaw is right on target. If Brunell stinks up Texas Stadium, and we loose, there should be little controversy as to what needs to happen. What do we have to loose?

Ever get hungry and go to the fridge for a snack and see nothing you want? Then you go back two more times as if something is going to magically appear that wasn't there before? Well, that's what we're doing with Brunell and Ramsey. After the second trip back, better to call out for pizza.

There is no switching back to Ramsey at this point. Gibbs clearly has no confidence in him, and I can't find an arguement with that. Brunell either performs and wins, or Gibbs needs to go with Campbell.....even if he needs a little "convincing".

I've been down here in Texas for 5 years, and I'm finally going to Texas Stadium Monday night with my Redskin gear on, and I pray that we get a win. 5 years of living down here without a win against the cowboys is just too much. They're wearing me out over this, and the 3 hour drive back from Dallas to Austin with a Cowboy fan in the truck is gonna be ugly if we loose!!!!

No more excuses. Through 5 games we have a 14.6 points per game average....mirror image of last year. We're looking at a much stronger NFC east this year, and 14 points a game ain't gonna cut it.

I don't like this change. Dont get me wrong, I will cheer whatever QB plays on Gameday. I dont like how Ramsey just lost his job after getting hurt on quarter in the game. He moved the ball through the air better than Brunell, he led a touchdown drive(Cooley was being bear hugged, it was defensive pass inf.) and I dont see how Brunell gets nine games to start, stinks up eight of them, while Ramsey gets a quarter. How can Ramsey get better if he doesnt play more?

RayNAustin wrote:So I give Brunell 1 game. Dallas....Monday night football, put points on the board or make way for the rookie.

Yo, we've won only ONCE since Joe first left, and you make the Dallas game a prove-it-or-lose-it game for Brunell??!!! I guess you probably would have said the same for Ramsey, right?? (Not a knock on you, but a reaction to the thought that if we don't win, it would be an aberration in our stellar record against the Pies)

Hey, 6-10 last year with the number three ranked defense in the league. Had the offense performed at ALL, the defense would have ranked #1, and we would have easily won 11 games.

Ramsey had one good drive sunday, and yes it's crazy how long Gibbs stuck with Brunell last year. But what happened in the pre-season? Ramsey continued to show poor decision making at critical points (red zone), and the Stealers game, he missed 2 wide open touchdown passes. And threw an int for a touchdown. That's a 21 point swing !!! We dominated that game, and barely sqeaked by with a win. That score should have been 30-3, and that's exactly what we keep seeing from Ramsey.

You cannot miss opportunities like that against good teams, whether it's Brunell or Ramsey. And you cannot spot teams touchdowns like that ugly hot read for an easy Stealers score.

JPFair wrote:Manfreda,

Out of curiosity, who was the QB when Portis got most of his 121 yards yesterday?

Just curious, u know in a game, when we start passing the ball and its starts completing u know that the coach can say, guess what maybe we should take the 7th and 8th man out of the box. The running game doesn't normally work in the begining of the game when the team is fresh.

If u don't learn from ur mistakes ur bond to repeat them.

ChrisHanburger wrote:Ahhh, they both suck, I wish we could just time warp ahead a couple of years to when Jason Campbell takes over. But we can't so we're stuck with what we've got.I was so pissed when Ramsey threw that pick, but I think he did start getting it together afterwards and began to hope that this might be his year. Alas, it looks like we may never know. I am so unexcited about Brunell, but I don't see it as a negative or positive that he's going to be in there. I think it will be more boring as we go to a more conservative Offense. I betcha Patten and Moss are bumming BIG TIME.

Actually, there is word floating around that the players wanted this move, including Patten.

Brandon777 wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote:Ahhh, they both suck, I wish we could just time warp ahead a couple of years to when Jason Campbell takes over. But we can't so we're stuck with what we've got.I was so pissed when Ramsey threw that pick, but I think he did start getting it together afterwards and began to hope that this might be his year. Alas, it looks like we may never know. I am so unexcited about Brunell, but I don't see it as a negative or positive that he's going to be in there. I think it will be more boring as we go to a more conservative Offense. I betcha Patten and Moss are bumming BIG TIME.

Actually, there is word floating around that the players wanted this move, including Patten.

:-s Source?

REDEEMEDSKIN:

I get your point. We've had a miserable record against the Cowgirls for the last several years, but you're right, I would have said the same if Ramsey was starting. I'd also say the same thing if it were the Giants, or Philly monday night. These are division games and every one of them are critical.

My thing is that we cannot screw around for 5 or 6 games before making changes like we did last year. You either perform or sit down. We need to beat Dallas now, and we need to take advantage of the weakest part of our schedule (games 1-6). If we go into the Giants game at 5-1 or 4-2, we're looking real good. If we go in there at 2-4 and still struggling on offense, what's the point? We're done...the best we'll see is 6-10 again. But WE HAVE TO BEAT DALLAS! From a confidence and momentum standpoint, that's critical. A win at Dallas will give this team the winning attitude that's been missing. The only thing this team needs right now is a QB to pull the trigger, and we're a legitimate playoff contender. But nobody wins with lousy QB play. You might as well take your chances with the rookie. Look what the Steelers did with a rookie QB.

Last year, we could have easily finished 11-5 instead of 6-10. We lost 4 games that we should have won easily except for horrible, pathetic QB play, and a couple more that were stolen by poor officiating.

Hey, Brunell is a 14 year vet, and if he can't step up to the job in Dallas, then he needs to be benched permanently. Then I'd give Ramsey 2 more games, and if he can't get it done, why go back to Brunell? If we wind up 1-3 after that, then I turn it over to Campbell and let the chips fall where they may. Both Ramsey and Brunell have had more than a fair chance to show something, and so far, they haven't. Ramsey throws way to many picks, negating any positives, and he KEEPS DOING IT (4 years in). Brunell manages the ball well but can't get it in the end zone. So to make a long wordy story short....We know what we have with Ramsey, and I don't think he's the answer. Brunell (forget about last year) seems healthy, and ready. He either steps up and performs, or let him manage the clipboard instead of the ball.

We can win with this defense plus average QB play..17 points or better per game will get us to at least 10-6 and the playoffs. 10-14 points a game will get us exactly what we got last year, and we'll still have the same problems, and Campbell will still have no experience.

Hope springs eternal, I still have Hope that Brunell won't suck. I hope I'm wrong. I hope the Redskins win. That said, I wouldn't give any points on a bet.

RayNAustin wrote:REDEEMEDSKIN:

I get your point. We've had a miserable record against the Cowgirls for the last several years, but you're right, I would have said the same if Ramsey was starting. I'd also say the same thing if it were the Giants, or Philly monday night. These are division games and every one of them are critical.

My thing is that we cannot screw around for 5 or 6 games before making changes like we did last year. You either perform or sit down. We need to beat Dallas now, and we need to take advantage of the weakest part of our schedule (games 1-6). If we go into the Giants game at 5-1 or 4-2, we're looking real good. If we go in there at 2-4 and still struggling on offense, what's the point? We're done...the best we'll see is 6-10 again. But WE HAVE TO BEAT DALLAS! From a confidence and momentum standpoint, that's critical. A win at Dallas will give this team the winning attitude that's been missing. The only thing this team needs right now is a QB to pull the trigger, and we're a legitimate playoff contender. But nobody wins with lousy QB play. You might as well take your chances with the rookie. Look what the Steelers did with a rookie QB.

Last year, we could have easily finished 11-5 instead of 6-10. We lost 4 games that we should have won easily except for horrible, pathetic QB play, and a couple more that were stolen by poor officiating.

Hey, Brunell is a 14 year vet, and if he can't step up to the job in Dallas, then he needs to be benched permanently. Then I'd give Ramsey 2 more games, and if he can't get it done, why go back to Brunell? If we wind up 1-3 after that, then I turn it over to Campbell and let the chips fall where they may. Both Ramsey and Brunell have had more than a fair chance to show something, and so far, they haven't. Ramsey throws way to many picks, negating any positives, and he KEEPS DOING IT (4 years in). Brunell manages the ball well but can't get it in the end zone. So to make a long wordy story short....We know what we have with Ramsey, and I don't think he's the answer. Brunell (forget about last year) seems healthy, and ready. He either steps up and performs, or let him manage the clipboard instead of the ball.

We can win with this defense plus average QB play..17 points or better per game will get us to at least 10-6 and the playoffs. 10-14 points a game will get us exactly what we got last year, and we'll still have the same problems, and Campbell will still have no experience.

Ramsey has not had a chance, he played in a crappy offense with Spurrier and still managed to play pretty solid, the next year he didn't play until the end of the season and performed pretty well (especially with the crappy o-line and Wr's he had to throw to), and this year 10 min. Ramsey has never been given a chance. Watch he will leave at the end of this year and be good somewere else.

Manfreda, just because you don't see something happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Not only did Ramsey have all of last year, but he had the entire offseason as the no-pressure-you-WILL-start quarterback. Open and closed practices, workouts, and the preseason (don't forget about the last 7 games last year). Gibbs has given him those chances, knows a lot more than we do, and has gone with Brunell. Disagree if you must but don't say that Ramsey had no chance, otherwise you'll be saying that until he's a 10 year vet who never did anything.

Gotta agree with you Fan. Its not like his pick on, I think his 4th pass of the regular season, was such a surprise after all of the picks preseason (not to mention last year). I'm just so dissappointed. I was really on his side and hoped he'd emerge as the player we had hoped. I think Gibbs pulled out the hook so early because he didn't want to waste any time during games that count to see more of the same.

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Manfreda, just because you don't see something happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Not only did Ramsey have all of last year, but he had the entire offseason as the no-pressure-you-WILL-start quarterback. Open and closed practices, workouts, and the preseason (don't forget about the last 7 games last year). Gibbs has given him those chances, knows a lot more than we do, and has gone with Brunell. Disagree if you must but don't say that Ramsey had no chance, otherwise you'll be saying that until he's a 10 year vet who never did anything.

All of last year, Brunell was the starter not Ramsey. If you count practice as a chance than that is pathetic, and obviously you have never played sports before. Its a hell of a lot different in a game than it is in practice. Its a lot different in a game than it is in a scrimmage aka preseason. You don't get a chance until ur in a game, (meaningful games, not practice or when the season is over). Yeah practicing in half pads or shorts you can really prove yourself than.

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Manfreda, just because you don't see something happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Not only did Ramsey have all of last year, but he had the entire offseason as the no-pressure-you-WILL-start quarterback. Open and closed practices, workouts, and the preseason (don't forget about the last 7 games last year). Gibbs has given him those chances, knows a lot more than we do, and has gone with Brunell. Disagree if you must but don't say that Ramsey had no chance, otherwise you'll be saying that until he's a 10 year vet who never did anything.

No pressure you will start, that means he would still be in. Gibbs even said Ramsey will be the starter for the 2005 season, I guess you can really trust his word.

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Manfreda, just because you don't see something happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Not only did Ramsey have all of last year, but he had the entire offseason as the no-pressure-you-WILL-start quarterback. Open and closed practices, workouts, and the preseason (don't forget about the last 7 games last year). Gibbs has given him those chances, knows a lot more than we do, and has gone with Brunell. Disagree if you must but don't say that Ramsey had no chance, otherwise you'll be saying that until he's a 10 year vet who never did anything.

how short is everyone's memory? ramsey had the chance and DID prove himself last year. he played very well in all 7 of his starts.

ChrisHanburger wrote:Its not like his pick on, I think his 4th pass of the regular season, was such a surprise after all of the picks preseason (not to mention last year).

in 7 starts last year, ramsey had 4 games with only 1 INT, 2 games with NO INTs, and only ONE GAME with 2 INTs. the "ramsey is interception-prone" argument has been decided long ago, it is a sheer fallacy, based on distorted statistics of preseason and a couple games in which he had to come in ralley the team from behind after brunell had already made a mess of things. that's really not hard to understand, it boggles my mind that it has to continually be explained.

so as long as he never has to bring the team from behind... we'll be ok?

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