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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:33 pm
by riggofan
These "rankings" are such a joke. He basically picked the playoffs to be EXACTLY the same as last year. When does that ever happen? What a moron.
Some teams will slip this year and some teams will rise. I really like how underrated the skins are right now. Just what we need.
Do you think this guy even examined our schedule? 7 wins is very realistic if you look at it.
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:58 pm
by welch
Quite frankly, I'd rather he not respect the Redskins at all. That way, when we get back to, and win, the Super Bowl, he'll have that much more to choke on.
I think "Dr" Z picked the Broncos to win SB 22. I'm certain he picked the Bills in SB 26.
Now he has me thinking "Super Bowl" this year...oh, bad...un-Gibbsian. "I just want to win the next game": JG, week after week.
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:39 pm
by Deadskins
riggofan wrote:These "rankings" are such a joke. He basically picked the playoffs to be EXACTLY the same as last year. When does that ever happen? What a moron.
Some teams will slip this year and some teams will rise. I really like how underrated the skins are right now. Just what we need.
Do you think this guy even examined our schedule? 7 wins is very realistic if you look at it.
I don't think the 'Pies went 10-6 and made the playoffs last year.

And Carolina didn't make it either.
Put the Skins where the Pies are and move them down to the Giants' spot, then move the Giants down to where he has us, and he might be on to something.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:46 am
by The Hogster
We are so going to the playoffs...I can see us playing in the freezing cold weather now.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:54 am
by phattymatt
Looks like Dr. Z finally got something right.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:03 am
by SkinsJock
phattymatt wrote:Looks like Dr. Z finally got something right.
this is an interesting introduction/post! welcome to the site - hope you enjoy sharing with us.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:31 am
by RedskinsFreak
My ongoing wonderment has been this:
Why do we care what Dr. Z, Pastabelly, Peter King, or any of the anti-Snyder/Redskins SEGMENT of the media, thinks?
The best way not to get riled up over such things is to completely ignore them.
Don't read them. Don't post them.
In this case, ignorance IS bliss.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:00 pm
by phattymatt
SkinsJock wrote:phattymatt wrote:Looks like Dr. Z finally got something right.
this is an interesting introduction/post! welcome to the site - hope you enjoy sharing with us.
thanks.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:06 pm
by 1niksder
phattymatt wrote:SkinsJock wrote:phattymatt wrote:Looks like Dr. Z finally got something right.
this is an interesting introduction/post! welcome to the site - hope you enjoy sharing with us.
thanks.
We are a little different here. We won't clobber you right of the bat, like you guys do over at CF.
Althought that might have been what you were looking for.
Welcome to the board and enjoy the site.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:11 pm
by phattymatt
1niksder wrote:phattymatt wrote:[quote="SkinsJock
We are a little different here. We won't clobber you right of the bat, like you guys do over at CF.
Althought that might have been what you were looking for.
Welcome to the board and enjoy the site.
Actually I've been looking through the site and no one here seems nearly as unbearable to talk to as Art and the people over at extremeskins.
I live in Arlington, so I have to deal with Skins fans every day of my life, which drives me nuts. And yes, I do hate the Skins, but am actually able to hold a civil dicussion with opposing fans without ridicule or name-calling. So thanks for the welcome.
Fartheads.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:28 pm
by hkHog
phattymatt wrote:Fartheads.

Welcome to the board man.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:31 pm
by 1niksder
phattymatt wrote:Fartheads.
Wrong forum
Yeah you'll find what you are looking for here.
civil dicussion with opposing fans without ridicule or name-calling everywhere but in the Smack forum, all bets are off in there for Iggles fans.
You can also check out
THN Huddle and
Around the League for news on you team
again Enjoy
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:35 pm
by RedskinsFreak
Gee. You don't like dealing with Redskins fans, yet you LIVE HERE. There's a good amount of "deal with it" factor when you choose to live and make a living here.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:38 pm
by phattymatt
RedskinsFreak wrote:Gee. You don't like dealing with Redskins fans, yet you LIVE HERE. There's a good amount of "deal with it" factor when you choose to live and make a living here.
Hey I can't help that my job is here. I like the area, just hate the football team. And I've only been here for almost 4 years, so Skins fans really haven't had a whole lot to give me crap about in that time.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:41 pm
by sch1977
phattymatt wrote:RedskinsFreak wrote:Gee. You don't like dealing with Redskins fans, yet you LIVE HERE. There's a good amount of "deal with it" factor when you choose to live and make a living here.
Hey I can't help that my job is here. I like the area, just hate the football team. And I've only been here for almost 4 years, so Skins fans really haven't had a whole lot to give me crap about in that time.
welcome to the board. You dont seem like the typical Eagles fan.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:42 pm
by phattymatt
sch1977 wrote:welcome to the board. You dont seem like the typical Eagles fan.
i wouldn't make any snap judgements just yet.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:51 pm
by hkHog
Dr. Z explains all:
Tricks behind the picks
The somewhat-fuzzy logic behind my '05 predictions
Posted: Thursday September 1, 2005 11:52AM; Updated: Thursday September 1, 2005 12:42PM
Last year I provided capsule analyses of the teams I listed in my forecast in Sports Illustrated's preseason NFL Issue. This year I'm doing the same. See, some things never change. Except that I'm providing the projected record in parens (like this), which is an attempt to further illuminate the darkness. An asterisk denotes ... I'll bet you've already guessed it ... a wild-card team.
NFC EAST
1. EAGLES (10-6)
In 2004 I predicted Terrell Owens would cause big problems early in the season. I missed it by about 10 months. Now I'm not sure. He might even stay quiet for the better part of the campaign, after Andy Reid gave him his "here's the way it's gonna be" lecture. They wouldn't have made the Super Bowl without T.O. Now all the psych majors are saying there's no way they can make it with him. Every other department is fairly solid, especially that terrific secondary, with a great coordinator to get them in the best schemes. But should T.O. go in the tank, the Iggles will be left with one of the weaker secondaries in the league. Thus, I take the mid-ground and cop out at 10-6.
2. COWBOYS (10-6*)
In 2004 Vinny Testaverde was sacked 34 times. That's a good statistic, because the number is right around the league average and Vinny, as we know, was a lot slower than the average quarterback. Can the line set up a wall for Drew Bledsoe, who likes to hold the ball? I think so, and that, of course, is the issue, because the Cowboys' defense will be active and opportunistic and will force turnovers.
3. GIANTS (5-11)
I don't really think they're this bad, just as I don't think the Redskins are as bad as my 4-12 for them indicates. What happens, and I've already explained this a few times, is that I get the schedule out and play it out, game by game, and whatever comes up ... well, that's what I go with, unless it looks too ridiculous, then I adjust it by a game or so. I'm afraid I don't think Eli Manning is there yet. I just can't see New York beating a good team on the road under Eli, actually any team on the road, except for maybe the Niners. If the O-line were great, well then OK, maybe Eli would come around faster than we think. But it's just average.
4. REDSKINS (4-12)
I know this is a vicious prediction, and since Washington has some of the most dedicated e-mailers in the land, I expect to hear from an army of them next week, just as I did last year when I picked the Skins ... what ... 5-11 or something like that? GreggWilliams' defense shouldn't let this happen, but it was good last year, too, and so what? I think the Patrick Ramsey-Mark Brunell-Jason Campbell merry-go-round is a bad situation and the sign of a deeper problem -- namely that this team doesn't quite know what it's doing.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/w ... index.html
So there it is folks. Basically, he's saying that these rankings are all just a crapshoot and are completely biased.
Sure, the Redskins are better than I give them credit for but I just want to piss off their fans and I have no respect for Joe Gibbs and the way he handles his QBs even though he is the only coach who has won SBs with three different signalcallers. I mean, isn't that essentially what he wrote?
Also, why does he say that even though we're a better team than our record indicates we will have such a poor record when most of the teams that we are going to play were also ranked extremely low by him too. And if we're a better bad team why are we ranked 29?
THIS IS PURE BIAS AND DRIVEL and he even has the audacity to admit it!!!! What a piece of work he is! I wish this was in the smack forum so I could go off!

He just makes me sick, he thinks he's so freaking clever. What a smug jerk! I mean, no crap it's "fuzzy logic"!!! This just disgusts me!
And it just doesn't make sense. Why would T.O. screw up the Philly secondary? What is he talking acout? He obviously wrote this in 10 minutes.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:59 pm
by Buzz Dog
Dr. Z always picks about 3/4 of the playoffs/division leaders from the year before. Look it up. That guy was relevant about a decade ago.
As for phattymatt, I think what happens when a serious NFL fan moves to a new city is that they pretty much develop a hatred for the home team.
I was raised in the DC area and have lived in Baltimore since 1988. I never hated the Colts growing up, but boy oh boy have I grown to detest the Ravens and their fans.
Phatty, welcome to the board. And always remember that whatever an Eagle fan has to say about the Skins will be discounted until you guys get a few Lombardi trophies in your lobby
(or at least one for that matter).
LIKE THAT WILL EVER HAPPEN!!! LOL!!!!
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:04 pm
by sch1977
Dont worry, I'm not. That is why I used the word Seem!
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:25 pm
by hkHog
I wrote Dr. Z an e-mail:
Great, so essentially in your "fuzzy logic" article you explain that you pick the 'Skins to go 4-12 just to anger Redskins fans with your "vicious prediction." I mean, why else would you say "I don't think the Redskins are as bad as my 4-12 for them indicates" but still give them that record unless you were trying to upset the fanbase? And if they're better than that then why do you rank them 29th? Have you ever stopped for a few minutes to think that perhaps the reason that Redskins fans are your most dedicated e-mailers is because you take every possible opportunity to crap all over the team? In addition, you suggest that the team has no idea of how to handle the QB situation. That's rich, Joe Gibbs is only the only coach in the history of the sport to win a Super Bowl with three different QBs! Finally, your pick for last year was also WRONG. Just by one game but still, I cannot remember a time that you overestimated them. The reason Redskins fans don't like you is because of you incredible bias that just spews forth at every opportunity. We all know how much you hate Dan Snyder, you only write that every two months or so! It is very clear that you hate the Redskins. Heck, even in Gibbs' previous tenure in your predictions before the Super Bowls that they won, you said they would lose every time. Im addition, EVERYONE knows about the incredible lenghts that you and Peter King go to trying to keep Art Monk out of the HOF. Every year (or even more frequently) it's the same thing over and over - Art Monk wasn't spectacular, Art Monk wasn't the center of the system, blah, blah, blah. "Fuzzy logic" indeed! Actually more like biased logic! And you wonder why you get so many e-mails from Redskins fans!!! You just love to rile us up, don't you?
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:38 pm
by Buzz Dog
I can't believe that Art Monk isn't in the Hall. The guy was the all-time leading receiver when he retired! Is there any other all-time leader at their position that Dr. Z or Peter King wouldn't vote for???
Think about it, all time leaders in rushing, passing, kicking, interceptions, etc... would all be consider locks. Why not ART?
SI picks us to go 4-12.
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:09 pm
by JPFair
I got the NFL Preview edition of Sports Illustrated yesterday. For the NFC East, they pick us to finish last with a projected won/loss record of 4-12. I think Joe Gibbs has the media right where he wants them.
Sports Illustrated, like most NFL so called "analysts" always base their "predictions" or their "analysis" on the assumption that the team being fielded this season is equal to that fielded last year. In other words, it's almost as if there was no off season, and the new season is a mere extension of the season that finished. I think they do that as a sort of safety net in case their predictions are wrong, they can just say that a team that has improved from the previous year is a "surprise".
Do they not realize that off seasons exist, and coaches and players strive to improve upon what they did the previous year? Why do they constantly make predictions as if the team will play the same as the prevous year. And, it's not just limited to the Redskins either, but we're a perfect example. Can anyone deny the fact that our offense sucked last year? No, they can't. Similarly, they can't deny the fact that, at least from seeing the starters play during the pre-sesason, we've improved our offense from last year. It's called progress, and this is what seperates the good organizations from the bad ones. I suppose it's better from their standpoint to predict how bad we'll do, and have us do good, than it is for them to say how good we'll do, and have them flop.
It seems to me they need to take more into account of how the teams progress instead of basing it as if the team maintained a status quo once the season ended.
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:48 pm
by hkHog
Scooped:
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14826
Though it's understandable. Don't subscribe to SI anymore, all you're doing is lining the pockets of those haters Dr. Z and Peter King. You can read all of the crap that they spew over on the SI website for free.
Also, I agree 100% with all of the points that you make!

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:15 pm
by JPFair
Apologies to the mods for creating the thread. I didn't notice the other one.
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:25 pm
by Redskins Rule
DUMP SI!!! They're the dumbest people to have ever wrote about sports. Heck, this 7 year old kid sitting in front of me during games knows more about football then Dr. Z or King combined.
Another thing, its not just Peter King or Dr. Z either. Its everyone at SI. SI cost me three games in my fantasy league last year. THREE! I had some injuries and I had to find other wide recievers to play. They said that these guys are gonna have a break out game. They even gave them three or four stars. I was dumb and listened to them....of course they were a bust and I lost. I wisened up a little bit and picked up some guys that SI said were going to be a bust. By doing that I was able to salvage my season and went on to win the championship.