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Another thing to consider --

Last night Ramsey didn't have the ability to hand the ball off to Portis at all. A QBs best friend is his RB. Portis would have extended the drives and one could make the argument that then Ramsey could have gotten into a rhythm. Just a thought.

I'm wondering why we should give Ramsey a break? What does that mean?
Should we not wonder in print if he's the right guy for the job?
We all know the facts...
* In his third year - came in late one year - injuried during the offseason another.
* Had the Ole Ball Coach for two years instead of a NFL coach.
* He hasn't lived upto his 1st rd potential

Still, why does he need a break? He IS the starting QB, it comes with the job. He sat on the bench last year for 9 games wanting to be out there and wondering why the coach hadn't put him in (he might have chanted "Brunell Sucks" if he could have gotten away with it). He waited and learned. When he took the field looked rusty and lost but as the season progressed he got better.

He came into camp healthy and listed as the starter, so he should have his head on straight. He knows being named the starter by Joe Gibbs is nothing like being named the starter by Steven O Spurrier.

Joe Gibbs brought in a seasoned vet last year to compete with Pactrick for the QB spot... Ramsey lost that competition. Brunell played his way back to the bench =THAT WAS RAMSEY'S BREAK=, he needs to take advantage of it. Brunell appears to be saking off the rust, and there is a young gunslinger behind him. I still remember when the young gunslinger was Patrick Ramsey.

On a side note: I've seen alot of post about Brunell and his knee being healthy (Mark will always wear a knee brace, that's not his problem) Brunell's injury that that cost him his last year in J-ville was his ELBOW. It was believed that Mark was fully recovered from the elbow surgery that he had in '03 before we traded for him. If he is just grtting heathy from that, then may some may want to give Gibbs a break on the trade (we did overpay him though).

Patrick will be fine, it was the first pre-season game and he played longer than most starting QBs in game 1 of the Pre-Season... ... he needs the work

Fo_Block wrote:

Redskins should try to trade him to Chicago for a 4th rd pick.

With Grossman out, I wonder what the Bears would be willing to give us for Ramsey? Uhrlacher? Nah!

****ITS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TO EARLY FOR A QB CONTROVERSY***** Ramsey definately looked a little lost for the few plays he was in for and I agree that Brunell and Campbell both looked better in there

BUT, Ramsey starts regardless.

SCSkinsFan wrote:Fo_Block wrote:

Redskins should try to trade him to Chicago for a 4th rd pick.

With Grossman out, I wonder what the Bears would be willing to give us for Ramsey? Uhrlacher? Nah!

I don't know what's more ridiculous... thinking we're going to dump Ramsey now because of a pre-season performance, or mentioning Brian Urlacher in the same sentence.

IF Brunell was hurt last year and out performs Ramsey this preseason, doesn't it make sense to start Brunell. I am basing this on the assumption he was hurt last year. His prior performance (before 2004)tells me he should be the starter. I agree if he wasn't hurt I would not want him back as the #1 QB.

redskingush wrote:Give Patrick a break, He is our man and if he is succeeded, it will be by Campbell, not Brunell. The last time I checked we still play Football until Week 17, not until 3 minutes left in the 1st half of preseason game 1.

Your on the money. I hope Gibbs goes along with wisdom.

Just the facts ma'am, just the facts....

1- When picked in the first round 4 years ago, he was labeled the QB of the future. Every time he played, there was an excuse for him not doing well. Spurrier system, new system, and on and on...

1- Brunnell S-CKED last year, but Gibbs did not start Ramsey till week 8-9, and even with the excuse he faced the Steelers and Eagles, he didn't do good.

2- From the final game of last season, Gibbs called Ramsey the starting QB for this year.... Then the Skins pick Cambell in the first round of the draft.

It's still early for a QB controversy, but I don't see Ramsey as a leader of this team.

HaiL,

Look..Gibbs does not base his decision on whos turn it is or how much we pay someone or if we went out of our way to get someone. Ramsey has plenty of time to prove himself and if he cant shine just a little then he wont start. Its that simple. If after the 2nd or 3rd preseason game he still cant throw 7 to 10 yard out patterns accurately and quick then he wont start. Just because Brunell played like crap last year doesnt automaticly mean Ramsey can suck all preseason and get the starting job. Brunell really looked like he enjoyed being in the shotgun. He threw the ball away when he should have and completed the passes that he should have. He seemed to take charge out there and acted like he had something to prove.

Aw, come on Boss. Got to find a little toungue-in-cheek humor in last nights disappointing performance. One thing about pre-season is, we always have next week to look forward to and hope for improvment.

SCSkinsFan wrote:Aw, come on Boss. Got to find a little toungue-in-cheek humor in last nights disappointing performance. One thing about pre-season is, we always have next week to look forward to and hope for improvment.

Plus the " loss" means nothing! We all hate to lose but these games are just for those guys who are on the edge of making it OR NOT!

We do not like to lose but we all need to understand that these games really do not count! The only important thing is for the coaches to see the sort of progress that is important to the whole scheme!

Nobody is looking all that good (or bad) yet!

I don't think Ramsey performed nearly as badly last year as some of you would have us believe. He was a 60% passer! If all of our offensive problems could have been blamed on Ramsey, I do not believe that he would be on the team still.

agreed, ramsey finished the season season pretty strong, which was why gibbs declared him the 2005 starter- something he would NOT have done had ramsey been playing poorly.

ramsey's good play was a big part of the uproar when we drafted campbell. if ramsey had really been playing badly, we all would have rejoiced "thank god! a new QB!"

cvillehog wrote:I don't think Ramsey performed nearly as badly last year as some of you would have us believe. He was a 60% passer! If all of our offensive problems could have been blamed on Ramsey, I do not believe that he would be on the team still.

I agree. Ramsey helped the defense to get us some wins last year and ended up turning the into a competitive team which was playing with the best by the end of the year. He had a terrible first game last year that depressed his stats...but all in all he was terrific. Consider who he was throwing to, the ineffectiveness of the OL, as well as the poor running game, and tell me he didn't do damn well to be a 60% passer.
Memories are short. We remember that costly interceptionm but don't remember who it was that got to play as a real team in the first place. If he'd been there all year, we might have made the playoffs.

Man... I don't know about our QB situation.
If Ramsey doesn't show improvement bye week four after tha bye, I would be thrilled if we finished .500. Brunell can get some wins, he can't last the season, seems too old.

On a side note - Campbell looked good against a second / third team defense. Nice to see him play the second Qtr of the last preseaon game see how he does.

Lets see "why does ramsey look lost"?How about having to get use to having a new pair of W.R.The panthers knew that the skins where going to be passing alot.The panthers played good coverage.Don't give up on Ramsey yet,the offense is still looking for the timing and other things.Give Portis a few chances to burn some defenses with some big runs and that should loosen the coverage up.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage as a defense to know that you don't have to worry about Portis carrying the ball. That fact made Ramsey's night a lot more difficult.

After watching the game last night I didn't think Ramsey looked that bad...I think the way Brunell played made Ramsey look worst.

I agree with DEHog... maybe since Brunell played good, and we DO have to compare at this point.. he just made Ramsey look wack. hah

one pre season game and you guys are all over ramsey and hinting bumnell looked good yep he did against second and third stringers in a game that did not matter.its one game.

DEHog wrote:After watching the game last night I didn't think Ramsey looked that bad...I think the way Brunell played made Ramsey look worst.

Are you kidding?

An INT on the opening drive on a pass that was UNDERTHROWN???!!!!

Who's the noodle arm now?

I'm really looking forward to Ramsey having a better game against Cincy.

Seriously, Redeemed, you are overreacting. Do you think McNabb is destined to be benched because he threw an INT (that was run back for a TD) on the Eagles' first drive?

Good point cville! Fortunately for us and the Skins Joe is going to help (and support) Patrick so that he can be the best he can be! If that is not good enough then he will get someone at QB who will make our offense better.

Right now our QB is Patrick! We all need to support whoever the QB is.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Ramsey's happy feet

That's something Ramsey needs to work on. The timing will come and we know he as the arm.