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stwasm wrote:I know I'm in the minority here -- no pun intended -- but "Redskins" is a racially offensive term. I was watching "Gunsmoke" a couple of days ago and a character in the in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." It doesn't matter if the name "wasn't intended to offend." Charles Mann himself said it before Super Bowl XXVI when Native American groups were protesting, "If they say it's offensive, then it is."

Any term can be negative when used that way. You wouldn't say "Reskins fan" was a derrogatory term, but if you said, "I'm not gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskins fan" then it is being used in an offensive manner.

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:I know I'm in the minority here -- no pun intended -- but "Redskins" is a racially offensive term. I was watching "Gunsmoke" a couple of days ago and a character in the in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." It doesn't matter if the name "wasn't intended to offend." Charles Mann himself said it before Super Bowl XXVI when Native American groups were protesting, "If they say it's offensive, then it is."

Any term can be negative when used that way. You wouldn't say "Reskins fan" was a derrogatory term, but if you said, "I'm not gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskins fan" then it is being used in an offensive manner.

Usage is irrelevant. The word itself is just as bad as the "N-word" to an African-American.

stwasm wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:I know I'm in the minority here -- no pun intended -- but "Redskins" is a racially offensive term. I was watching "Gunsmoke" a couple of days ago and a character in the in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." It doesn't matter if the name "wasn't intended to offend." Charles Mann himself said it before Super Bowl XXVI when Native American groups were protesting, "If they say it's offensive, then it is."

Any term can be negative when used that way. You wouldn't say "Reskins fan" was a derrogatory term, but if you said, "I'm not gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskins fan" then it is being used in an offensive manner.

Usage is irrelevant. The word itself is just as bad as the "N-word" to an African-American.

No, it is equivalent to black or white. Usage is not irrelevant -- it wasn't the term Redskin that was offensive, but the term dirty.

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:I know I'm in the minority here -- no pun intended -- but "Redskins" is a racially offensive term. I was watching "Gunsmoke" a couple of days ago and a character in the in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." It doesn't matter if the name "wasn't intended to offend." Charles Mann himself said it before Super Bowl XXVI when Native American groups were protesting, "If they say it's offensive, then it is."

Any term can be negative when used that way. You wouldn't say "Reskins fan" was a derrogatory term, but if you said, "I'm not gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskins fan" then it is being used in an offensive manner.

Usage is irrelevant. The word itself is just as bad as the "N-word" to an African-American.

No, it is equivalent to black or white. Usage is not irrelevant -- it wasn't the term Redskin that was offensive, but the term dirty.

Hey Cville,

I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.

A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.

Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent.

SkinsHead56 wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:I know I'm in the minority here -- no pun intended -- but "Redskins" is a racially offensive term. I was watching "Gunsmoke" a couple of days ago and a character in the in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." It doesn't matter if the name "wasn't intended to offend." Charles Mann himself said it before Super Bowl XXVI when Native American groups were protesting, "If they say it's offensive, then it is."

Any term can be negative when used that way. You wouldn't say "Reskins fan" was a derrogatory term, but if you said, "I'm not gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskins fan" then it is being used in an offensive manner.

Usage is irrelevant. The word itself is just as bad as the "N-word" to an African-American.

No, it is equivalent to black or white. Usage is not irrelevant -- it wasn't the term Redskin that was offensive, but the term dirty.

Hey Cville,

I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.

A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.

Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent.

Let's keep this all in one thread, ok?

chaddukes wrote: most native americans could care less about this issue. Its only the academics with no other real concerns who really care.

amen.


Keep the name.

Keep the logo.

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

stwasm wrote:I know I'm in the minority here -- no pun intended -- but "Redskins" is a racially offensive term. I was watching "Gunsmoke" a couple of days ago and a character in the in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." It doesn't matter if the name "wasn't intended to offend." Charles Mann himself said it before Super Bowl XXVI when Native American groups were protesting, "If they say it's offensive, then it is."

Any term can be negative when used that way. You wouldn't say "Reskins fan" was a derrogatory term, but if you said, "I'm not gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskins fan" then it is being used in an offensive manner.

Usage is irrelevant. The word itself is just as bad as the "N-word" to an African-American.

No, it is equivalent to black or white. Usage is not irrelevant -- it wasn't the term Redskin that was offensive, but the term dirty.

So, if someone referred to me as a "dirty n----r," the term dirty would be offensive, but the N-word in this case would not be? Usage IS irrelevant.

Listen I love the redskins. I watch every game, I watched all of norv and spurrier and schottenheimer's games! I go all the way back to the terry allen days fool, the first football game I ever watched was the 91 SB and ever since I've suffered the heartbreaks with everyother true redskins fan, the name Heath Shuler still stings my ears. don't tell me I dont bleed burgandy and gold. I live in Nashville TN and when the skins last came to adelphia I was on the 50 with a champ bailey jersey and a smile on because the skins won so whoever posted that garbage labeling whos a real fan and whatnot your a loser if you can't have a favorite team (Skins) and a 2nd fav. team that plays its ball in your back yard. (Titans.) AFC and NFC with the skins winning the tie.