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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 6:23 pm
by Fios
JPM36 wrote:I think Dallas' offseason was extremely overrated. The players they signed are for the most part over the hill guys like Bledsoe or Marco Rivera or Aaron Glenn. I never really thought very highly of Anthony Henry either, tho I do think he is a big upgrade over Pete Hunter and the other trash they had at corner last season.
It will take them time to get used to the new 3-4 defense and they have a stiff at QB behind a mediocre OL, and a bunch of aging WRs. Not a recipe for success in the passing game. Julius Jones should be very good but he never had a great game against a great defense, just ate alive crappy teams like Seattle on national TV. He's also been injury prone and it will be interesting to see how he holds up (if he does) to a 16 game NFL schedule.
#12 is way too high for this team. I see them going 7-9 or 8-8 and Parcells retiring, leaving his successor in salary cap hell.
Amen
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:00 pm
by statboy
JPM36 wrote:I think Dallas' offseason was extremely overrated. The players they signed are for the most part over the hill guys like Bledsoe or Marco Rivera or Aaron Glenn. I never really thought very highly of Anthony Henry either, tho I do think he is a big upgrade over Pete Hunter and the other trash they had at corner last season.
It will take them time to get used to the new 3-4 defense and they have a stiff at QB behind a mediocre OL, and a bunch of aging WRs. Not a recipe for success in the passing game. Julius Jones should be very good but he never had a great game against a great defense, just ate alive crappy teams like Seattle on national TV. He's also been injury prone and it will be interesting to see how he holds up (if he does) to a 16 game NFL schedule.
#12 is way too high for this team. I see them going 7-9 or 8-8 and Parcells retiring, leaving his successor in salary cap hell.
JPM36
first of all bledsoe is an upgrade over vinny and better then any qb the skins have on their roster
henry is a big physical corner that will be alot better then the rookie rotation of cb's they had last year, plus he is back with his position coach. check the defense stat from cleveland last year. they were poor against the run but did well against the pass. touchdowns were scored on them due to the poor pass rush and defensive line play.
glenn is a superb 3rd corner. his stats were alittle bit better in all areas except for sacks when compared to the over priced springs. even though glenn( 32) is a few years older then springs(30) his body has had less wear and tear. also glenn is better then harris and wilds.
river is a proven leader not a 40 something fill in.
as far as defense you gotta remember the boys were in the top 3 in defense the year before last. they loss woodsen at FS and edwards at CB so they suffered. their defense is a mixuture of young talent and veterans like ellis, glover and dat and williams who will bring them along just fine.
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:38 pm
by Smithian
...Punu, I can't read... Any of that...
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:51 pm
by Punu
Smithian...
I dont get it...why
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:23 pm
by nxtseantaylor
29th??????????? what the F.........who is after us, the boyz league down at WVA
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:16 pm
by EA7649
i cant believe that the 'boys are 12 and on fact or fiction nfc east they all agreed that the skins are creeping up and the giants are last!
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:41 pm
by statboy
12 is to high i would say around 17-20 till they prove themselves
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:51 pm
by JPFair
Yeah, Brooks is so good isn't he the dim-wit who threw a pass last year in the WRONG direction? Yeah, they got a QB allright!!!
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:01 pm
by SkinsJock
There may be a few teams that are better than we are right now BUT there are definetly a lot of teams that are not as good as we are right now. That being said I'm sure we will be even better by the time the season gets into the 8th or 10th week.
These rankings are like lint from my dryer - they are absolutely worthless.
Anybody who thinks the GIants or the pukes are better (at this time) than the Redskins is delusional.
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:21 pm
by statboy
SkinsJock wrote:There may be a few teams that are better than we are right now BUT there are definetly a lot of teams that are not as good as we are right now. That being said I'm sure we will be even better by the time the season gets into the 8th or 10th week.
These rankings are like lint from my dryer - they are absolutely worthless.
Anybody who thinks the GIants or the pukes are better (at this time) than the Redskins is delusional.
thats very debatable skinsjock, would u like to go position by position
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:36 pm
by Smithian
statboy wrote:thats very debatable skinsjock, would u like to go position by position
I'll go position-by-position for him.
Punu wrote:Smithian...
I dont get it...why
Sorrey... I meant this.
Punu wrote:First team you choose to address are the saints: Brooks, great QB and good mobility yes. Horn is good to, Duece has size and speed... but what have they done? Next to nothing in the past years. They have the players to do something but they dont get it done... sound familiar? Dont back them before you back Ramsey PORTIS and Jacobs or even Moss. I know you havent seen Jacobs play but he just needs an oppurtunity. You've seen Moss and you have to admit he has skillz, dont base someone sole athletic ability on just height. Lions recieveg core??? Rogers? hasnt proved enough on this level yet, Williams (Roy) really good, yes, Mike williams hasnt even played a down yet.... Harrington is the starter, not impressed. In fact If you put David Carr, Harrington and Ramsey in the Same amount of games since drafted, you'll see that Ramsey has a better winning percentage. Actually a better everything, but they have had more starts, so we still have yet to see what Ramsey is capible of, and from the looks of the last five games... impressive. He just needed more protection and a better scheme. He was gett'n that too... felt better than gett'n sacked 70 + times when he was under spurrier. Oh and Garcia? are you joking? Then you mentioned Kevin Jones? Potentinal, thats all, I dont even know why you brought him up, that just hurt your argument. Bears had a great draft.. yup, but still an awful team! 2 players arent gonnna cut it. The cards look legitimate, but you mention, antre rolle... okay vs. Rogers and Springs? easily Beat! come on now... I mean... just Springs alone... He had a great seaon last year! Kurt is well respected by me... but be honest with yourself, what has he done in that last 3 years other than get injured or choke? We are unstable at the QB position but, Ramsey is in the same place Brees was last year... so hold that thought. Our recievers will finally get their shot this year... remember the last time Gibbs was in his "first year"... 5 straight losses right? What happened the year after? I will go ahead and let you look that up for yourself. And I cant believe you bashed our o line... samuels is good! lackadasical is not a word to describe him... no ones perfect, but he can hold that position down... and with Jansen back and the pick up of Rabach... more respect is due.. Portis is 1300 + last year... it's 1600 + this year! Our defense, I really shouldnt have to defend them.. yes even the D-Line... We play just fine, we got great sacks against philly, bmore and pittsburgh... it was our offense that lost it for us, and that is coming together just fine.... fans have to stop judging Gibbs on how he puts together a team just because he doesnt go after Randy Moss or other high profiles...he does things his own way and it worked out just fine for him last time... I dont remember Doug Williams, Timmy Smith or some of the other Skins being so welcomed so quick, but he put it together. Theres tons he did that with actually, im just not that good at remembering all the names. So listen, I dont usually do this, but manfreda I had to defend my SKINS to ya... you actually agree with thos jokers.. By the way, I hear ya on that denver thing and dont agree with everything, but losing hope, faith or whatever you want is not the way to go...
One last example, an eagles fan came up to me and said, " you havent made the superbowl in 14 years, hahaha!" Well it was easy enough to say, "you made it again after 24 years!" So we have another 10 years to match them.. and they dont even have a ring! point is, they didnt lose the faith, neither should we...
(go ahead, call me crazy, but...can you see it? Portis danc'n in the endzone? Can you hear it? "ToUCHDoWN! WASHINGTON REDSKINS!".... I can hear the crowd, I can feel it! Come sept. so will you... you know it)
GO SKINS!
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:47 pm
by statboy
Ok lets start
QB
Dallas
Bledsoe
Henson
Romo
Washington
Brunell
Ramsey
Campbell
not a banner name in the bunch, but seeing that Brunell did not have a banner year last year, Ramsey is gonna be looking over his shoulder at the vet or the rookie every mistakes he makes
in Dallas henson is atleast a year away, unless he moved in at the ranch during the offseason, romo should be #2 and bledsoe will make a few mistakes, but all in all he will manage the team with the weapons it has for him. every now in then he will make some big plays, i think he has more offensive weapons in place in dallas, then he did at buffalo.
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:54 pm
by Smithian
Wait, so... Bledsoe can screw up a lot and not worry at all while if Ramsey doesn't have a 100.0 rating and he is in a situation with Joe Gibbs threatening to bench him?
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:57 pm
by statboy
Smithian wrote:Wait, so... Bledsoe can screw up a lot and not worry at all while if Ramsey doesn't have a 100.0 rating and he is in a situation with Joe Gibbs threatening to bench him?
well in that case bledsoe has a very contract friendly 2 year deal.
I would give this really to the skins, due to the fact that henson has a year to wait, and i think ramsey will play his but off in his finally year of his contract. but i still think bledsoes weapons will compliment him
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:00 pm
by cvillehog
Ok, "statboy," stop posting now and go do your homework. More facts, less homerism. Thanks.
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:04 pm
by statboy
cvillehog wrote:Ok, "statboy," stop posting now and go do your homework. More facts, less homerism. Thanks.
if you want to debate, then debate, other wise please stop trying to stir something up, this is just a friendly debate
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:08 pm
by cvillehog
statboy wrote:cvillehog wrote:Ok, "statboy," stop posting now and go do your homework. More facts, less homerism. Thanks.
if you want to debate, then debate, other wise please stop trying to stir something up, this is just a friendly debate
You want me to hold your hand? Fine.
This is not a contract year for Ramsey.
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:12 pm
by statboy
cvillehog wrote:statboy wrote:cvillehog wrote:Ok, "statboy," stop posting now and go do your homework. More facts, less homerism. Thanks.
if you want to debate, then debate, other wise please stop trying to stir something up, this is just a friendly debate
You want me to hold your hand? Fine.
This is not a contract year for Ramsey.
well i still think he will play his but off due to the brunell and campbell factor.
so whats ur point
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:13 pm
by cvillehog
statboy wrote:cvillehog wrote:statboy wrote:cvillehog wrote:Ok, "statboy," stop posting now and go do your homework. More facts, less homerism. Thanks.
if you want to debate, then debate, other wise please stop trying to stir something up, this is just a friendly debate
You want me to hold your hand? Fine.
This is not a contract year for Ramsey.
well i still think he will play his but off due to the brunell and campbell factor.
so whats ur point
My point is that you are talking out of your butt.
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:21 pm
by statboy
sorry but i must have mistaken this for a friendly conversation with smithian and skinsjock
Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:22 pm
by cvillehog
statboy wrote:sorry but i must have mistaken this for a friendly conversation with smithian and skinsjock
Sorry, I must have mistaken this for a conversation based in reality.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:45 am
by John Manfreda
Anybody who thinks the GIants or the pukes are better (at this time) than the Redskins is delusional.[/quote]
I know you guys are going to bash me for this and call me a closet Cowboys fan, but these are the facts. You could say whatever you want about us being better than the Cowboys but here are the facts. They made the playoffs two years ago. Last time we made the playoffs was 5-6 years ago. 13-14 they have beaten us. They have made durastic strides this offseason. We are the same team on paper as last offseason, actually worse. Say whatever you want about Jansen being back or Lavar, but injuries are apart of Football and there is no guarantte that we will be 100% healthy on opening day next year. Someone else might get hurt. Bledsoe may not be good, but if Vinny is good enough to beat us than so is Bledsoe, there o-line has been upgraded, same with their defense and secondary. We can't say were as good or better than the Cowboys until we start showing it on the field. Parcells record 13-6
Gibbs 6-13
I personally think the Cowboys should be ranked 15-20 but I also think that if they say Dallas is better than us, how can we argue, just look at the stats.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:44 am
by Chris Luva Luva
John Manfreda wrote:Anybody who thinks the GIants or the pukes are better (at this time) than the Redskins is delusional.
I know you guys are going to bash me for this and call me a closet Cowboys fan, but these are the facts. You could say whatever you want about us being better than the Cowboys but here are the facts. They made the playoffs two years ago. Last time we made the playoffs was 5-6 years ago. 13-14 they have beaten us. They have made durastic strides this offseason. We are the same team on paper as last offseason, actually worse. Say whatever you want about Jansen being back or Lavar, but injuries are apart of Football and there is no guarantte that we will be 100% healthy on opening day next year. Someone else might get hurt. Bledsoe may not be good, but if Vinny is good enough to beat us than so is Bledsoe, there o-line has been upgraded, same with their defense and secondary. We can't say were as good or better than the Cowboys until we start showing it on the field. Parcells record 13-6
Gibbs 6-13
I personally think the Cowboys should be ranked 15-20 but I also think that if they say Dallas is better than us, how can we argue, just look at the stats.[/quote]
I agree with everything you said...
Your opinion is exactly why we are ranked so low in the rankings and quite frankly we dont deserve to be rated high.
However I still love my team and believe that we are capable of beating the Giants and the Cowboys. Last year no longer matters. We are a better team than we were last year.
Without Jansen, Arrington, Bowen, a pass rush..., a consistent offense
and
With 50/50, 1 disgruntled WR, Patrick with no timing with the WR's, a 40 year old black man on the line, a new scheme, no coaches....
We almost beat the Steelers, and Eagles, two very good teams which didn't run us into the ground.
We were missing a few cogs and we've found a few of them.
Jansen is back.
Upgraded the Center.
=
Improved running game (A).
Patrick Ramsey being the starting QB =
Timing with the WR's(B).
A+B = improved offense which was non existant last year.
We lost
1 over achieving MLB
1 above average CB
However we have 15 LB's, 1 of which is highly coveted by Williams that we got from the Browns I believe. We also have Arringtons replacement, and McCune among others.
We drafted Rogers who has potential to be better than Smoot.
What we lost has been negated and we actually got more. McCune and that other new guy wouldnt be here mostly if we resigned Peirce. Peirce wasn't the victim of 2005 Snyder, he was the victim of 2000-2003.
I'll add more later, its late and Im sleepy. My point is that we are an improved team.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:54 am
by SkinsJock
Thanks Chris.
I just want to add that, IMO, the "rankings" are someone's "opinion" and they use "stats" to back up these "opinions". I think these can be used any way you want them to and some here choose to see a bad picture for us no matter what.
I would point out that Joe has had a year (okay 17 months - but 1 full season!) to get things going again and IMO with the players he has now on offense and with his coaches I think we are a better team offensively right now, and, I think we are better than the pukes and both NY teams right now. This is my opinion.
I think that the D is presently at least as good as last year and I feel may even be better. There are IMO more concerns here than offensively because of both Lavar & Barrow not running yet. But the D right now is still better than a lot of other teams and is going to have a lot to prove this season.
Again, I will say that the glass is more than half full and I'm looking forward to seeing that on the field shortly.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:48 am
by Punu
I know you guys are going to bash me for this and call me a closet Cowboys fan, but these are the facts. You could say whatever you want about us being better than the Cowboys but here are the facts. They made the playoffs two years ago. Last time we made the playoffs was 5-6 years ago. 13-14 they have beaten us. They have made durastic strides this offseason. We are the same team on paper as last offseason, actually worse. Say whatever you want about Jansen being back or Lavar, but injuries are apart of Football and there is no guarantte that we will be 100% healthy on opening day next year. Someone else might get hurt. Bledsoe may not be good, but if Vinny is good enough to beat us than so is Bledsoe, there o-line has been upgraded, same with their defense and secondary. We can't say were as good or better than the Cowboys until we start showing it on the field. Parcells record 13-6
Gibbs 6-13
I personally think the Cowboys should be ranked 15-20 but I also think that if they say Dallas is better than us, how can we argue, just look at the stats.
Not gonna bash ya Manfreda... Theres a difference in putt'n down the SKINS and just mak'n a point based on logic and stats... for me at least, it's well respected. They made the playoffs 2003 yup, didnt cut it, they got knocked out the first round right? We made it in 99, destroyed the Lions and lost to tampa in the second round because of a play I think was pure BS! Alstot got lucky and we missed 3 tackles on him and he scored... Im not really making much of a point here, but you mentioned these things and I just thought I'd stat some facts like statboy
But hey, we would have been in the NFC Championship, at least we were a lot closer... the pukes have beaten us 12-14 times, not 13, not a big difference I know... I also know based on that fact it may be a little biased to say they are not better than us. But your a SKINS fan man... havent you watched every game? No excuses but havent you seen how they beat us? Last year monday night? I was sitt'n in the endzone on that "pass interference", there was no pass interference! I saw it! Also Collinsworth wrote an article two days later stating how bogus the call was. Then in December, we had them, and that last BS bomb play they made, never mind the fact we didnt capatilize on redzone oppurtinities. Then 2 years ago on opening day... overtime? over the middle? Well these are just 3 examples, im not going to babble too much more... but you can see, based on these, I have to say... I our defense is better and Gibbs is in his second year and I do honestly honestly honestly think the SKINS are better. Gibbs is rounding up his own players and figuring out how to plug our weaknesses his own way... I really think is ignorant to think that he's not... I mean, he's not sitt'n on is butt... he's watch'n film, pick'n out players we dont know to plug the holes... and listen to some fans whine and gripe...trust me, he's doing it (plus the 3 crazyzeb hightlights reminded me of what we are capable of
)
Yup, we'll have injuries, but so will they... pukes should be in the 20's, but so should we, but not 29!
okay back to being me!
Taylor, Bowen, Arrington, Rogers, Springs, Griffin, Washington just to name a few who will see to it that the pukes will not score more than 10 points!
Portis all the way and Ramsey to Moss &
ey... oh yeahhhhh....
When the SKINS sweep the pukes, I want you to buy me a case of beer manfreda... if they dont, I buys you 2.
