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Posted: **Tue May 10, 2005 2:33 pm**

Sign him up. He'll fit right in with Arrington, Moss, and Taylor, while replacing Coles.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2005 8:09 pm**

crazyhorse1 wrote:Sign him up. He'll fit right in with Arrington, Moss, and Taylor, while replacing Coles.

hahahaha...that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while! Great one, a real knee slapper! :roll:

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2005 11:29 pm**

If you mean the father, that sounds good. He didn't develop a loud mouth until after his retirement. Standout guy.
The son ? He's all yours.

Posted: **Wed May 11, 2005 3:45 am**

Hey Sean,
KW2's contract isn't looking so hot now, is it? Quityerbitchin and get into camp. If you earn your incentives, you will get your payday under your current deal.

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2005 2:01 pm**

THE NEWS

Though the Browns continue to keep the specifics of his injuries private, tight end Kellen Winslow was at team headquarters to start rehab on his right knee. "He was happy to be here," Browns coach Romeo Crennel told the Associated Press. "He was in pretty good spirits." Winslow did not have any surgeries while in the hospital recovering from injuries sustained in a motorcycle crash. The team also indicated they have no plans to release Winslow for violating his contract, which prohibits engaging in dangerous activities such as motorcycling.

OUR VIEW

The Browns haven't officially stated their intentions, but they are expected to ask for part of Winslow's signing bonus back because of the contract violation. Such a repayment would offer them cap relief, which would come in handy if Winslow is placed on the non-football injury list. The Browns would likely give Winslow the chance to earn back the money in future incentives, though so far his incentive-laden $40 million contract has already been reduced by $10 million and will likely dip another $10 million as a result of the accident. The fact that Winslow is back at team headquarters would seem to indicate fears of such injuries as a broken femur or punctured lung might be a bit overstated. Winlsow's status for the upcoming season remains uncertain, at least until the full extent of his injuries are known.

www.fanball.com

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2005 2:13 pm**

Updated: May 12, 2005, 5:46 PM ET
Players look at risks, contractsAssociated Press

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- Drew Brees was in the water with great white sharks off the South African coast a couple years ago, and dove near Australia's Great Barrier Reef earlier this offseason.

Yet the fear of injury precludes San Diego's Pro Bowl quarterback from doing everything on his wish list, including downhill skiing and skydiving.

Brees, like most of the NFL players who came to South Florida for the league's annual quarterback challenge, expressed concern for Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow Jr., who was seriously injured when he crashed his high-powered motorcycle earlier this month.

Winslow might miss the 2005 season.

"You've got to live life, but then again you only have a small window to achieve something not everybody gets a chance to do by playing in the NFL," Brees said Thursday from the challenge, to be taped Friday and televised this summer. "Just kind of weigh those options and see what you can get away with."

The standard NFL contract prohibits players from engaging in potentially dangerous activities, and Winslow could be required to pay back some of the $5.05 million in bonus money he already received from the Browns if he cannot play this season because of his accident.

Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger -- who was chided recently by coach Bill Cowher for riding a motorcycle without a helmet -- said he and his agent reviewed everything forbidden by his contract as soon as he entered the league.

Roethlisberger said Thursday he doesn't consider himself to be a risk-taker.

"I don't do the crazy things that they say you can't do," Roethlisberger said. "I'm getting a chance to live my life and do the things I want to do. I know there'll be plenty of time for me to do crazy things like skydive and stuff like that when I get older."

Still, St. Louis receiver Torry Holt said he took Roethlisberger aside Wednesday and reiterated the need for caution when taking any undue risk.

"He understands. It's an unfortunate situation with Kellen and I hope he can learn something from this, that we all can learn something from this," Holt said. "I don't know if all agents have gone through [forbidden contract items] with their clients. I think they will now."

Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer was a Heisman Trophy winner at Southern California, the No. 1 pick in the 2003 draft, and received a contract with more than $14 million in bonus money alone.

With that, he said, comes a certain amount of responsibility. So things like skiing and certain water sports will wait until his playing days are done.

"I'd love to do a lot of that stuff, but it's just not worth it," Palmer said. "The organization's invested too much in me and I owe it to them to take care of my body in the offseason, not do risky things like that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2058846
That's funny how one player's stupid stunt leads others to be 'careful.'

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2005 8:00 pm**

Browns | Winslow Out for the Season - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 18 May 2005 16:34:17 -0700

Jim Donovan, of WKYC.com, reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow Jr. (knee) will miss the entire 2005 season. His station, Channel 3 News, has learned that Winslow has a significant right knee injury. Results of Winslow's MRI have not been released, but Donovan is reporting sources told him the results show an injury to his ACL. The Winslow family will not allow the information to be become public.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2005 8:05 pm**

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:
Browns | Winslow Out for the Season - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 18 May 2005 16:34:17 -0700

Jim Donovan, of WKYC.com, reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow Jr. (knee) will miss the entire 2005 season. His station, Channel 3 News, has learned that Winslow has a significant right knee injury. Results of Winslow's MRI have not been released, but Donovan is reporting sources told him the results show an injury to his ACL. The Winslow family will not allow the information to be become public.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

This guy just proves what a gamble even the best rookie athlete can be -- altough, the way things are looking, Taylor may not be all together with this contract garbage.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2005 11:26 am**

I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for him. He is/was making millions and can't keep himself out of inappropriate behavior.

He could have been super rich but now might lose it all and his father is supposed to be such a role model for him.

I don't get it. :roll:

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2005 1:26 pm**

Got to feel sorry for the Browns but they need to get as much money as they can out of this. This guy needs to be taught a lesson financially.
IMO there are a lot of athletes (and others) who think they are almost invincible and that they do not need to follow the "rules". This includes drinking irresponsibly or just trying to live large when all anyone really needs to do is just "live" and follow the basics of being a "decent" person/athlete!

I think the right thing to do is to make sure he regrets this stupid act and the best way to make an example of him is financially.

Other than that the only thing that I'm a little sorry about is the Browns and his parents. He's an idiot of the first degree!

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2005 9:37 pm**

Brings to mind two NY Yankees:

(a) Brien Taylor, who was a first round / first pick (approximately) in the early '90s. The next great Yankees' pitcher, 98 mph fastball. He bargained tough, got a $1 million signing bonus, and then joined a street-fight to help a cousin. In which he wrecked his pitching shoulder.

(b) Aaron Boone, third-baseman who blew-out his knee playing basketball in the off-season a couple of years ago.

Idiocy.

Posted: **Fri May 20, 2005 11:12 am**

Two great examples and I particuarly remember Taylor (being an O fan!) and thinking that the (damn) NYY always seem to get the best pitchers! And how 'bout Bias and a night of celebrating the "big time"??

A lot of it is the age and experience- what we like to "pass off" as youthful enthusiasm when these kids have such a bright future and they seem to get wrapped in the moment and not see the big picture. Sometimes they forget that you can't just have all the potential if you are not able to "show" it. And to show it, "it" has to happen between the lines or you're just another woulda been, coulda been shoulda been - has been!

Posted: **Fri May 20, 2005 1:45 pm**

Browns | Police and Courts: Winslow Jr. - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 20 May 2005 10:07:29 -0700

The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow Jr. will be charged with disregarding safety in connection with his motorcycle accident. Police will issue a citation Friday afternoon, May 20, Lt. Ray Arcuri said. The charge carries a maximum fine of $150 with no jail time.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Again, the penalites keep on piling on. He deserves it though!

Posted: **Fri May 20, 2005 1:59 pm**

Despite the "bad blood" that might exist between "The Chosen One" and the Skins fan base, I, for one, feel robbed of seeing K2 in action on the field. I hope his career isn't over. I wanna see what the guy can do. All his nonsense and fanfare aside, he's a remarkable athlete who made a very unfortunate decision.

...and, NO, I'm NOT referring to his questioning Joe Gibbs' integrity on draft day 2004. :lol:

Posted: **Fri May 20, 2005 5:45 pm**

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Despite the "bad blood" that might exist between "The Chosen One" and the Skins fan base, I, for one, feel robbed of seeing K2 in action on the field. I hope his career isn't over. I wanna see what the guy can do. All his nonsense and fanfare aside, he's a remarkable athlete who made a very unfortunate decision.

...and, NO, I'm NOT referring to his questioning Joe Gibbs' integrity on draft day 2004.

In all honesty I think we have seen KW2 at his best. When he was at "the U"
After that he talked a good game, Got drafted top ten, called a ledgend a name, got paid, then proceeded to break the landspeed record in ruining a career. Now he'll have to give back some $$$ and that won't be pretty

Posted: **Fri May 20, 2005 6:35 pm**

Other than that the only thing that I'm a little sorry about is the Browns and his parents.

Can't agree even with that. The Browns knew what they were getting, and his parents made him what he is (in terms of his attitude).

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2005 4:59 am**

Countertrey wrote:The Browns knew what they were getting, and his parents made him what he is (in terms of his attitude).

1) No, there is no way that the Browns should have predicted such behaviour. And even if our society has deformed so badly that we start by rewarding young, irresponsible, unproven, millionares, there is no way to predict that he would be so negligent.

2) No, stop blaming the parents. KW2 is an adult. He made HIS choices. If anything, it is the advice NOT HEARD, that led him into this stupid path. Stop blaming the parents, he received a good work ethic example from his father. And neither you or me know his mother to say anything about her.

If there is anybody to blame is him -and- us as a society that rewards entertainment more than truly heroic and hard working actions of many great people.

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2005 8:20 pm**

Motorcycle crash gave Winslow torn ACLAssociated Press

CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Browns tight end Kellen Winslow II was charged Friday with disregarding safety in the motorcycle crash that put his 2005 season in jeopardy.

The misdemeanor, filed by the prosecutor in suburban Westlake, carries a maximum fine of $150 with no jail time. Winslow will be sent a summons to appear in Rocky River Municipal Court, police said..

Winslow
Winslow tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee when he crashed, two sources within the league told The Associated Press. An injury such as Winslow's typically requires 10 to 12 months of rehabilitation.

Winslow also sustained unspecified internal injuries when his motorcycle hit a curb at 35 mph and he flipped over the handlebars while practicing in a parking lot near his home May 1.

The Browns have Winslow's medical test results but the club cannot disclose the nature of his injuries because they have not received permission from Winslow or his family.

He spent nine days in the Cleveland Clinic before being released last week. Winslow, who has been resting at home, has not commented on his accident or his injuries.

Winslow, who missed 14 games as a rookie with a broken leg, breached a hazardous activities clause in his contract by riding the motorcycle. The Browns could ask him to return part of the money he already has been paid as part of his six-year, $40 million contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2064702

Posted: **Mon May 23, 2005 2:19 pm**

THE NEWS

Surveillance video captured Browns tight end Kellen Winslow performing wheelies and "endos" in a parking lot and led police to charge him with operating his motorcycle in willful or wanton disregard of safety, a minor misdemeanor. "He was caught on tape attempting this dangerous stunts, so it was clear to us that this was more than just negligence or failure to maintain control of his vehicle," Westlake Police Lt. Ray Arcuri told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "We definitely felt he was being reckless." The accident in which Winslow crashed his cycle and apparently tore his right ACL was not caught on tape.

OUR VIEW

Winslow stands to lose between $5.7 and $10 million because he violated the terms of his contract with the Browns and they could seek to recoup money already paid. And while neither he nor the Browns have made it official, several published sources have indicated his torn ACL will force him to miss the 2005 season. But hey, that endo was really cool; if Super Dave Osborne ever needs a stand-in, he knows who to turn to.

http://www.fanball.com/fb/index.cfm
Ahhh......I want to see his sorry behind trying these stunts.

Posted: **Tue May 24, 2005 6:03 pm**

THE NEWS

Browns Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who has taken on an official role with the team, is working with tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. to help him repair the damage to his image after Winslow injured himself in a motorcycle accident earlier this month. Brown's plan for Winslow will start with a statement to the media sometime around the first weekend of June. "The purpose is to really have Kellen Jr. really state to the fans and the organization his remorse about the mistake he made—and there's no question that a mistake was made," Brown told the Akron Beacon Journal. "We in turn want to support him in his recovery and not beat him up when he's down."

OUR VIEW

Though the Winslow family has not allowed any medical information to be released, it is believed that K2 suffered a torn ACL and will miss the entire 2005 season. The situation has been particularly tough for the new Browns' regime, who had hoped to start with a clean slate after getting rid of former coach Butch Davis but whose hands have been tied by the Winslows' right to privacy. More than a small faction of Browns' fans have called for the club to flat-out release Winslow, so some sort of public statement would be a step in the right direction towards getting the Chosen One back in the Dawg Pound's good graces. Of course, a little on-field time would be a bigger step, but we won't likely see that until 2006.

http://www.fanball.com/fb/index.cfm

Posted: **Wed May 25, 2005 12:38 am**

I remember literally leaping for joy when we drafted Sean Taylor.

Thus far I see no reason to think I was wrong.

Posted: **Wed May 25, 2005 7:20 am**

JPM36 wrote:I remember literally leaping for joy when we drafted Sean Taylor.

Thus far I see no reason to think I was wrong.

Ummmm....the holdout hasn't made you nervous?
hehehe....to tell you the truth...it hasn't made me nervous at all either.

Posted: **Wed May 25, 2005 2:43 pm**

I have to agree with JPM36, I'm much happier with Taylor than I would have been with Winslow. I mean, come on, the man has played 2 games, and will lose the entire second season, because of a lack of judgement. On-field skills can be taught, but character and judgment have to be learned from an early age, and KW2 doesn't seem to be possessed of either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with Taylor's failure to come to the mini-camp, and I certainly find fault with him for not returning Gibbs' calls, but that's less important in my book than violating a contract by deliberately going out and doing something that is forbidden in a contract clause.