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I know the Qb controversy is on everyones mind right now.I more worried about the play calling than the Qb that will be starting.I want to see some coaching that makes sense.I love joe gibbs but just like ramsey, gibbs also has some things to prove.The more I have thought about things, the more it makes sense that gibbs is just a responsible for the upcoming season.I think the second game of the season is going to big for us.Dallas has owned us and parcell has owned gibbs.We must forget about the stupid stuff like drafting a qb and worry more about stuff like this.Im not a believer in that you must have a mobile Qb to win,not saying there bad but just because there not a vick or mcnabb, doesn't mean you can't win with a non mobile qb.

ANT7088 wrote:Gibbs said Campbell WILL NOT play in 2006! Brunell is the backup!

Please, Joe. I've never asked you for anything in my life, but if you would put this kid on the practice squad I promise to watch a NASCAR race.

I hated that pick for a while, but now I'm starting to warm to it.

I think we got Campbell because we had Ramsey and... oh yeah, and nobody! Neither Brunell or Hasselbeck could carry the load if they had to take over for Ramsey should he get injured. What if Ramsey got Jansen'd in preseason? We had all our eggs in one QB. Were we supposed to write off the passing game in every game that Ramsey is on the injured list? It solidifies an important position, motivates Ramsey further, and leaves us a developing QB in the wings who is ready to take over later on.

Hooligan wrote:I hated that pick for a while, but now I'm starting to warm to it.

I think we got Campbell because we had Ramsey and... oh yeah, and nobody! Neither Brunell or Hasselbeck could carry the load if they had to take over for Ramsey should he get injured. What if Ramsey got Jansen'd in preseason? We had all our eggs in one QB. Were we supposed to write off the passing game in every game that Ramsey is on the injured list? It solidifies an important position, motivates Ramsey further, and leaves us a developing QB in the wings who is ready to take over later on.

But what team really has a solid backup that can just step in. I mean who's the Colts, Eagles, Packers, Falcons, Vikings backup??? Nobodys that who!

I know the Qb controversy is on everyones mind right now.

What QB controversy are you referring to? Gibbs has already declared Patrick Ramsey as our starter for next year. Mark Brunell is the backup QB, and Jason Campbell is third. Where's the controversy? Are you hinting that Gibbs was lying when he told Ramsey and the media that Ramsey was the starter? Hmmmm. Strong allegations against such an honest man.

No im not hinting that gibbs is lying. The controversy is gibbs drafting another qb, thats what im referring to.I have not said anything about campell being the starter and I know patrick is the starter for this year.gee wizz!!!

Oh, I'm sorry. When you said that you know the "QB controversy" was on everyones mind, I thought you meant that the QB controversy was on everyones mind. Ther'es a big difference between a QB controversy, when there is none, and people assuming that there is a QB controversy because one was drafted. Ramsey is the starter. It's as non-controversial as it gets.

What QB controversy are you referring to? Gibbs has already declared Patrick Ramsey as our starter for next year.

I seem to recall Gibbs naming Brunell as the starter last year, and yet we still had a qb controversy. Until one of our qb's actaully is the starter for an entire season and plays well during that span, we will have a never-ending qb controvery.

JPFair wrote:

I know the Qb controversy is on everyones mind right now.

What QB controversy are you referring to? Gibbs has already declared Patrick Ramsey as our starter for next year. Mark Brunell is the backup QB, and Jason Campbell is third. Where's the controversy? Are you hinting that Gibbs was lying when he told Ramsey and the media that Ramsey was the starter? Hmmmm. Strong allegations against such an honest man.

Doesn't matter a hill of beans what Gibbs or what any other coach said/says. Fate has a way of intervening. What if Ramsey goes down in camp? And Brunell still is still Brunell? After the bye week every single one of the posters on here will be calling for Campbell. I have no doubt about that.

JP - I understand where you are coming from but I really can't remember when we DIDN'T have a QB controversy (not saying we never had one - just these last 10 years have sufficiently eroded my memory of the good times)

I seem to recall Gibbs naming Brunell as the starter last year, and yet we still had a qb controversy

WOW!! We had a QB controversy last year as well? Well, this just goes to show you how much control the media have over most NFL fans. There was NO QB controversy last year that I was aware of. I was, however, aware that there was an "open competition" for the QB position during training camp/pre-season which by all accounts Mark Brunell won. Brunell was named the starter. Where's the controversy? I don't see any controversy whatsoever. Define the term "QB controversy"? And even if there is/was a QB controversy, it really doesn't matter, does it? As long as the head coach is capable of making decisions himself, there really isn't any controversy.

The controversy is created by the media, and fueled by the fans. I can assure you, where it matters (Joe Gibbs) there is no controversy now, nor was there one last year. A QB controversy is only in the minds of the media and the fans. Last year Brunell was the starter and Gibbs stuck with him until he felt that Brunell didn't deserve the starting job. No controversy there either. WE (well, not me, but the fans) are the ones that are creating any QB controversy.

So, inasmuch as there may be a controversy amongst most fans and the media, there is certainly no QB controversy at Redskins Park, which is where it matters. Patrick Ramsey himself has not expressed any dissenting opinion about bringing in another QB via the draft. WHERE'S THE CONTROVERSY?

As I've said before, I thank God that Joe Gibbs is a good enough head coach to make his own decisions without any input from the media or the fans. I've said it before, it'll be a sad day for the history of the Washington Redskins when our head coach makes a decision based on an apparent "controversy" that exists not within his coaching staff, but within the media and the fans that disagree with the coaches moves.

I seem to recall Gibbs naming Brunell as the starter last year, and yet we still had a qb controversy

I'd like to hear your definition of "QB controversy". If, as I suspect, it's based on the fact that there is pressure from the fans and the media to start one QB over another, then such a controversy is only in the eyes of the media, not in the eyes of the Coaching staff who are quite secure in their decision on who to start at QB.

A perfect example of what I'm talking about is, hypothetically speaking, next year Ramsey starts off the first eight games with a woefull passing rating, throws a ton of INT's, and is basically unproductive. Everyone of the people on this board that are criticizing Gibbs' decision to draft Jason Campbell will be chanting "CAMPBELL CAMPBELL", wanting Campbell to come in, when they don't have a damn clue how well he's going to do. And you know what, you'll hate Gibbs even more because he'll stick with Ramsey. Yes, he'll show the same kind of loyalty to Ramsey that he showed Brunell last year, and you'll scream and whine about Gibbs again keeping Ramsey in there too long.

Some people are just never satisfied because things don't get done the way they want it to be done. Life sucks, doesn't it?

JP -now you're just playing a game of semantics. Pretty much every QB "Controversy" is fueled by the media and by the fans pleasure/displeasure. It has been this way time and time again.

Any coach worth his salt is never going to come out to a press conference and say:

"Gee guys we've dunno what to do, we've got a controversy here ... some of us want X to start and some of us want Y to start".

It just ain't gonna happen. The coach is goign to come out and say either "This is our starter" or "There will be an open competition". But once a starter is named he's not goign to make it look like he's unsure of his decisions on which player starts a game. Even if he's got 3 assistant coaches talking his ear off about starting the other guy.

Now since we know that QB controversies exist in the media and the fans can we answer my question ?

When have we not, in the past 40 years, had a controversy at QB (other than when Theisman was our starter)??

BTW- I'm glad JG doesn't hold a poll either - its his team to coach and he should coach it since thats what he gets paid to do.

Joe, Patrick and Campbell are handling things right so far. The rumours have been put to rest by all sides well during this early stage. Everything will be put to rest as the season approaches and starts.

"QB Controversy"-situation where it's not clear who the starting qb should be. For example, in Green Bay Brett Favre is the starting qb, no questions asked. He comes into camp as the starter, starts the season as the starter, plays the entire season as the starter (unless injured), and goes into the offseason knowing he's still the starter. Contrast that to the Redskins' qb situation over the previous 10 or so years....

So this thread is about the history of the "QB Controversy"
I thought it was about a current "QB Controversy" and I had missed something....

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Let me be the first to ask this question...........


Since the Washington Redskins are undoubtedly and historically the team of quarterback controversies, what do you think would happen in this following, yet quite possible, scenario......

Ramsey starts for the Chicago game, plays decent but loses.

Ramsey starts the Dallas game, plays okay but still loses.

During the Bye week, how badly will the call go out to "start Campbell?" I think it will be pretty resounding, especially if the reports coming out of training camp are that Campbell is the real deal with major talent ( I personally think he is).

I'm not necessarilly trying to "stir the pot," but I think Chicago is vastly improved and Dallas coupled with our Monday Night curse will always be difficult to beat.

I don't think Gibbs can afford to start out 0-2, especially with our defense carrying the load last year.

What do you guys think about this?

There is no chance Campbell starts a game in 2005 unless every QB we have gets injured, and that includes one or two that we would pick up.

Gibbs doesn't play rookie QBs....

Heck, he doesn't even like 3rd or 4th year guys starting. Playing Ramsey last year was basically forced on him. He would have much rather sat Ramsey all last year and had a real QB competition with him and Brunell THIS season...

Scottskins wrote:

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Let me be the first to ask this question...........


Since the Washington Redskins are undoubtedly and historically the team of quarterback controversies, what do you think would happen in this following, yet quite possible, scenario......

Ramsey starts for the Chicago game, plays decent but loses.

Ramsey starts the Dallas game, plays okay but still loses.

During the Bye week, how badly will the call go out to "start Campbell?" I think it will be pretty resounding, especially if the reports coming out of training camp are that Campbell is the real deal with major talent ( I personally think he is).

I'm not necessarilly trying to "stir the pot," but I think Chicago is vastly improved and Dallas coupled with our Monday Night curse will always be difficult to beat.

I don't think Gibbs can afford to start out 0-2, especially with our defense carrying the load last year.

What do you guys think about this?

There is no chance Campbell starts a game in 2005 unless every QB we have gets injured, and that includes one or two that we would pick up.

Gibbs doesn't play rookie QBs....

Heck, he doesn't even like 3rd or 4th year guys starting. Playing Ramsey last year was basically forced on him. He would have much rather sat Ramsey all last year and had a real QB competition with him and Brunell THIS season...

Gibbs didn't want the suicides of Skins fans nation wide on his concious by leaving Brunell in.

THE RAM wrote:Non of this will happened, the bears don´t have an offense who can score against our defense, at the worst going into the bye week we`ll be 1-1.
Ramsey will be awsome that game and ge will prove to everyone especially Gibbs that Campbell was a waist pick, not only that game but the whole season.

But what if Ramsey takes us to ´´THE PROMISE LAND´´ which he will, then what about Campbell....

stop asking this dumb question. Nothing will change if we win the damn superbowl. Ramsey will get a big contract, and Campbell will learn on the sidelines as our backup and future QB. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

John Manfreda wrote:Your right were going to start out 0-2, but he won't start Campell at the third game of the season. When the season is over he will put Campell in at the end of the season and release Ramsey at the end of the year (or trade) and start Campell next year.

Nice prediction, and mebbe you'll grow a brain cell someday. Like your prediction, mine is possible, but not very likely...

Can someone explain to me why Doug Williams got cut after winning us a superbowl?

Was Gibbs the coach at the time?

Good point niksider. I thought it was about the current one, (even though I don't beleive one currently exists). A QB controversy is only in the eyes of the media and fans. And, thaiphoon asked me when have we not have a QB controversy, with the exception of Theismann. And, I can only answer that by saying since QB controversy's are only a product of the fans and media, that when we're winning, there's no controversy. When we're not winning, there's a controversy in the media and with the fans, NOT with the coaching staff and especially not with Joe Gibbs. I like what he's doing. Ramsey doesn't see a controversy, and neither does Gibbs. That's fine with me. I don't see any controversy. But, insamsuch as QB controversys are fueled by the media and the fans, there will ALWAYS be a QB controversy as long as there are two QB's on the roster, and a team with a losing record. Again, like I said, and thaiphoon I think agreed with, QB controversy's are generated by the fans and the media. However, the posters on this board over the last few days have criticized Gibbs for creating it. They have failed to blame themselves or the media for creating it, because in Joe Gibbs' eyes, there is no QB controversy. And, if there's no QB controversy in Joe Gibbs' eyes, there's none in mine either. It's Ramsey or Bust this year. GO RAMSEY!!!

I Really think we're putting the foundation on a good if not great football team. It might not be this year, although I think we're going to contend this year, but it's coming. Joe Gibbs wouldn't have it any other way. Joe Gibbs is so dedicated to turning this team around, that if it meant him resigning and allowing someone else to take over the coaches job, I'm sure he would do it. THAT'S how badly he wants the Redskins to win.

QB controversy? I don't see one, cuz as Joe pointed out, Ramsey is our starter this year and I expect nothing less than the loyalty that he showed to Brunell last year. Like it or not guys, there's no controversy on this team. And, I might add, Ramssey can go 0-6 out of the blocks, and I gurantee you, Gibbs isn't going to change QB's. Ramsey's his man this year for the full 16 games, unless he's injured. So, there's no controversy on the team. The controversy is on message boards, newspapers, ESPN, NFL Networks, and various other forms of news outlets around the country, but not on the team.

Now, if you wanna talk QB controversy, think back to Kilmer/Jurgenson. That was a real live QB controversy. Who was gonna play one week, and who would play the next. THAT is a QB controversy. When we already know who our starter is for the whole year, we don't have a controversy on our hands unless the starter has said "I hate the fact that we drafted a QB in the draft when I'm the QB". Has Ramsey did this? I don't think so.

Please forgive my rambling. I was so frustrated at reading some posts tonight that I actually had the dreaded third post work beer.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Can someone explain to me why Doug Williams got cut after winning us a superbowl?

Was Gibbs the coach at the time?

I believe he stayed another year or 2...then he got cut.

If im not mistaken willams suffered from an injury and thats when they started playing mark rippen.

I Really think we're putting the foundation on a good if not great football team. It might not be this year, although I think we're going to contend this year, but it's coming. Joe Gibbs wouldn't have it any other way. Joe Gibbs is so dedicated to turning this team around, that if it meant him resigning and allowing someone else to take over the coaches job, I'm sure he would do it. THAT'S how badly he wants the Redskins to win.

Joe didn't say he came back to win the Superbowl He said he came back to RESTORE the glory. The winning will come and I agree the foundation is being built (in the locker room and the Front Office)

QB controversy? I don't see one, cuz as Joe pointed out, Ramsey is our starter this year and I expect nothing less than the loyalty that he showed to Brunell last year. Like it or not guys, there's no controversy on this team. And, I might add, Ramssey can go 0-6 out of the blocks, and I gurantee you, Gibbs isn't going to change QB's. Ramsey's his man this year for the full 16 games, unless he's injured. So, there's no controversy on the team. The controversy is on message boards, newspapers, ESPN, NFL Networks, and various other forms of news outlets around the country, but not on the team.

Same thing last year Gibbs said the would be a open compatition for QB and that he would make his choice during training camp. HENSE controversy if their guy wasn;t pick. There was no controversy, Brunell was the starter until he lost the job (he lost the job 2 or 3 times in my opinion). At that point Gibbs replaced his beloved vetern QB. Ramsey finnished the season as the starter and will go into camp as the starter.

How about a real posible QB controversy at Redskin Park?
Ramsey-Brunel-Campbell
Ramsey-Campbell-Brunell
Ramsey-Hasselbeck-Campbell
Ramsey-Campbell-Hasselbeck
or do we keep 4 (S.O.S. went with 2 the league should give us a credit)

We know Ramsey will be the starter and that Campbell will make the team, which leads us to QB controversy posibilities #2 Who stays and who goes Brunell or Timmy