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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:47 pm
by welch
The history of several developing nations has had ocurrences of people who just "disappear", never to be found. Argentina comes to mind. In the 70s a tyrannical regime made people "disappear". No bodies were found, and people were left wondering "what gives?"


I think this is a different situation.

- in Chile and Argentina, everyone knew very well that the right-wing military death squads were kidnapping, torturing, and killing people, and that often the military "disposed" of the bodies afterward. For details, see Jacobo Timmerman's "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number", an account of his kidnapping and imprisonment. President Carter's human rights advisor kept pestering the Argentine junta until they released Timmerman; Timmerman was a well-known journalist, but most of the victims were not famous.

- here we have a big airplane, carrying passengers who made cell phone calls describing the highjacking. One was the wife of the US Solicitor General.

- of conspiracies in general: it is hard to keep a secret, and harder with each conspirator you add. That's why isolated psychopaths can shoot people like McKinley, or JFK, or Martin Luther King, or Wallace, or John Lennon, or Reagan: having no ties to anyone, they are in less danger of being discovered before they act.

- with 9/11, it is clear that (a) Administration officials were paying attention to other threats. There were no Air Force jets patrolling the East Coast because the Soviets were no longer able to bomb us (b) airline high-jackers had always tried to fly to a neutral country and bargain the passengers against something...therefore, plane crews had been trained to put up no resistance, thus minimizing the risk to their passengers. People were trained for hostage situations; almost no one (except movie script-writers) had suggested that a terrorist might make an airliner into a flying bomb.

- Al Qeada found a tactic for which no one was prepared. There is evidence of all the normal amounts of government laziness, zeal, incompetence, mis-placed focus, agency information-hoarding, etc...but no conspiracy.

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:56 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
NC43Hog wrote:So unlike you to be playig the "Devils Advocate" RS.


Just keepin' Hailskins'seat warm. My shift is over soon. He should be around later. he he.

And...NC, I like to think of it as playing "The Loser's Advocate". Thank you very much.

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:01 pm
by tazlah
joebagadonuts wrote:maybe i'm a 'they' too, trying to throw you people off the track by feeding you tidbits of false propaganda and showing you little photos of donuts....

:-k


See -- that's exactly what I thought!!! :idea: You ARE "They"! Cool I knew it from day one! :-s

Welch -- thanks for that post.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:24 am
by skinsfan1
something else to think about....

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/05172002.shtml

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:10 am
by tazlah
Our money in Canada is pretty neat too... We have Spock from StarTrek on our $5 bill...

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And, since William Shatner is Canadian, they are talking about minting a $5 coin in his honor!.

Money is cool stuff. Ours also used to have an American Flag on the $10...
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Oh, and similar to the link provided by skinsfan1...
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/20bill.htm

Lots to think about... :-k

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:20 am
by skinsfan1
tazlah wrote:Our money in Canada is pretty neat too... We have Spock from StarTrek on our $5 bill...

Image

And, since William Shatner is Canadian, they are talking about minting a $5 coin in his honor!.

Money is cool stuff. Ours also used to have an American Flag on the $10...
Image

Oh, and similar to the link provided by skinsfan1...
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/20bill.htm

Lots to think about... :-k


That stuff was cool taz... :up:

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:14 am
by Alcatraz
*sigh* Must everything in this damn world be turned into some sort of a conspiracy.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:09 pm
by joebagadonuts
if you listen to this forum backwards, it says 'michael irvin is god'. something to think about.

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:24 pm
by welch
:o :o :o :o ROTFALMAO

"make no bones about it, indeed!

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:07 pm
by tazlah
joebagadonuts wrote:if you listen to this forum backwards, it says 'michael irvin is god'. something to think about.


Really???? I keep hearing "Canadians for World Domination" :shock: -- just goes to show how subjective 'conspiracies' are! (Which we have already ascertained YOU are behind them all!) :evil: