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sch1977 wrote:I dont know why this is even a discussion. Gibbs clearly does NOT use the traditional TE position enough to warrant a #9 pick. Why would we draft Miller when we passed on a potential franchise TE in Winslow last year?

1- we dont use the TE position because our current TEs (and I'm not refering to Colley who is at H-back) stink.
2- Although I'm a Virginia tech fan, and thus am naturally against drafting UVA players, Miller is a STUD! We need at TE, and he should be a target of ours.
That being said, the mock drafts i've seen place him in the low 2nd round, so I say either (if Williams and Pac Man are gone) trade back, or get on of the many DEs that are availiable since we are old and only average talent wise there.

I would love to see the TE carousel stop with the addition of Miller, boyas and girls. Frankly, I've been sick to my stomach since Stephen Alexander was drafted.
As was noted before, it's important to remember the difference between an H-back and a TE in this offense. If the two are completely interchangeable, we could have a very dangerous combination.

Miller is going to be our first pick. He is a Gibbs type player. He's big ,fast, blocks well, soft hands and,to top it off he had the third highest wonderlic score of anyone. Heath is the smart choice. However, if we can move down and still get him then that's what we should do.
Your not going to find a Heath Miller in the third round you may find a good corner at that spot.

If you think Gibbs drafts Miller, then you clearly dont know this offense. Maybe our current TE's do, as you say, stink, but Gibbs has NEVER utilized the TE position except to block. The occasional catch, yes, focal point of our offense, no! We will not draft Miller, period!

Anyone who knows the "Gibbs Offense", knows that it is tweaked 30% every year to best utilize the talent available.

Why do people fail to understand that? If we have two great pass-catching TE's, then you better believe that they will be used. I sure seem to remember Didier and Warren both catching balls. Maybe I just don't know what I am talking about...

exactly, we didn't pass to the TEs last yr because they weren't any good

Neither Warren or Didier were ever focal points of Gibb's offense. If we need a TE so bad, please tell me why we didnt draft Winslow? We need a #1 receiver, not a TE

We didnt draft Winslow because Taylor is a STUD! We took the best player avaliable... besides, Winslow has attitude issues

Winslow is an exceptional athlete. However, he is not in his dads league. Junior is spoiled and if not getting his way could be a cancer to his team...We made the right decision in last years draft. It will pay dividends for years to come if he stays outta trouble.

I completely agree that we made the right decision by drafting Taylor, but part of the reason we didnt take Winslow is because we dont utilize the TE spot in this offense. WE need someone who is a game breaker on offense, and I dont think a TE fills that need

Please see my earlier post. We didn't focus on Warren and Didier because we had Art Monk to make the tough guy catches.

As I said, Coach Gibbs modifies his offense around 30% percent every year to take advantage of his personnel. I'm not saying that we will focus on TE or draft Heath Miller. I am only saying that if we draft Heath Miller, you canexpect that 30% to entail calling more TE pass routes.

JansenFan wrote:Please see my earlier post. We didn't focus on Warren and Didier because we had Art Monk to make the tough guy catches.

As I said, Coach Gibbs modifies his offense around 30% percent every year to take advantage of his personnel. I'm not saying that we will focus on TE or draft Heath Miller. I am only saying that if we draft Heath Miller, you canexpect that 30% to entail calling more TE pass routes.

I agree, only take him if Wlliams is gone.

Well if we do pick Miller, and I hope we dont, Gibbs needs to use him frequently or the pick is wasted. I still think we go WR, and if Edwards and Williams are gone maybe we can trade down and pick up a guy like Clayton or Williamson

I'm wondering... is Miller fast enough to occasionally play as a possession WR? Can he go across the middle from the slot? [/quote]

sch1977, Go to this rooom... Redskins In Attendance at Certain Private Workouts ...you'll see the skins arent taking any intrest in Williamson and besides, it doesn't look like anyone wants to trade up this year. Everyone is talking about trading down. Look at SF with the #1 pick. They want to move back, but no one will offer a deal.

I don't think we'll pick Miller, but you can bet that if we do, then Gibbs will use him often. With Patten and Moss stretching the field and Ramsey using play action to Portis, I could imagine Miller catching 50-60 passes - that would be plenty to justify the pick, even without considering his excellent blocking.

ey, Royal, Miller and McCants all down in the redzone - I'd like to see people trying to stop that little lot.

JansenFan wrote:Please see my earlier post. We didn't focus on Warren and Didier because we had Art Monk to make the tough guy catches.

As I said, Coach Gibbs modifies his offense around 30% percent every year to take advantage of his personnel. I'm not saying that we will focus on TE or draft Heath Miller. I am only saying that if we draft Heath Miller, you canexpect that 30% to entail calling more TE pass routes.

The more this comes up and the closer we get I must admit the scenario of this guy and ey with Portis in the backfield is starting to grow on me.

I am not saying that is how it will go it's just that I think we will be picking at 9 and if those guys are gone (that Joe wants!) then this guy could be "it"!

I think the offense gets the pick and he might be the best fit.

Would anyone happen to have any clips of Heath in action? I'd like to see what all the hoopla is about.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Would anyone happen to have any clips of Heath in action? I'd like to see what all the hoopla is about.

haven't seen any clips on him, but they did show a few of his highlights on total access. i must say, i like what i saw.

Miller could be a valuable asset to the team immediately. He consistently makes the catch, picks up yardage, and maintains possession. I can't remember a fumble or a ball stripped from him. Miller will go early if someone stongly desires a TE. He'd be a great pick in the late first or early second round, but we're not exactly picking then!

I am kind of torn on whether we should pick up Heath Miller. I am a huge ACC football fan and got to see Heath play a lot. He has great blocking and pass cathcing abilities and I can see Gibbs using him in the offense. However there are other positions that need to be filled (CB, DE, WR). It won't upset me either way if he is drafted or not.

Skins4ever wrote:I am kind of torn on whether we should pick up Heath Miller. I am a huge ACC football fan and got to see Heath play a lot. He has great blocking and pass cathcing abilities and I can see Gibbs using him in the offense. However there are other positions that need to be filled (CB, DE, WR). It won't upset me either way if he is drafted or not.

I think we can all agree that the pick will be WR if one of our guys is still there. Miller only becomes an option if they are gone.
We will be good at DE with Daniels coming back (and maybe signing Brown?)
We do need a CB, but I think offensive improvement may be a little more important... so like I've been saying, Miller would be a good pick

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Would anyone happen to have any clips of Heath in action? I'd like to see what all the hoopla is about.

Here is a clip:
http://qisports.com/heathmiller2005.html

I think this clip might be from before his junior season, but I'm not sure.

good clip, and you are right its is from two years ago, matt schaub is the quarterback throwing to him, not marques hagans who was the starter this year

his numbers were down this year, but that was due mainly to a shift in the orientation of the offense, with alvin pearman and wali lundy not to mention an unproven quarterback UVA became a predominately running team, therefore the drop in numbers, but also in an increase in practicing his blocking

ive gone to cville to see him play so many times...
plain and simple he just kicks some major butt

RagingRigginz wrote:good clip, and you are right its is from two years ago, matt schaub is the quarterback throwing to him, not marques hagans who was the starter this year

his numbers were down this year, but that was due mainly to a shift in the orientation of the offense, with alvin pearman and wali lundy not to mention an unproven quarterback UVA became a predominately running team, therefore the drop in numbers, but also in an increase in practicing his blocking

ive gone to cville to see him play so many times...
plain and simple he just kicks some major butt

you are correct. Thank God some one gets it now.