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Clinton Portis wrote:Is it true, do you have to have a really strong arm to throw a deep ball, or is it all about Technique and how you throw it?

I was just wondering, because sometimes people say "so and so has no arm" and then they throw a 60 yard bomb to someone in a game.

So is it Technique, or Arm Strength?

j05h wrote:

Clinton Portis wrote:Is it true, do you have to have a really strong arm to throw a deep ball, or is it all about Technique and how you throw it?

I was just wondering, because sometimes people say "so and so has no arm" and then they throw a 60 yard bomb to someone in a game.

So is it Technique, or Arm Strength?

It's a bit of both. Sure, with a strong arm you can throw a ball deep but you'll need technique and accuracy in order to give it to someone.

welch wrote: .... For power and distance, I think that technique counts more than .... arm strength, or, rather, that what we see as arm strength is long arm, large hands, and looseness, or snap, at each of the joints involved in throwing. The arm is used like a whip -- shoulder, elbow, wrist, and fingers -- each joint adding acceleration to the ball.

My hunch is that the best QB's are guys who can see and "think" and throw a bit quicker than the game that's being played around them. They can see a defense and sense that a receiver is about to come open without going through a "top of the brain" reasoning process. A shortcut from their eyes through their brain to their arm, saying, "that receiver now".

Redskins4Life wrote:

WshSkins22 wrote:NO, it has nothing to do with it. Im 16, and Im a skinny guy( I still play fball for my highschool), but the point it, My arms arent huge, but I can throw way farter than my qb, I can throw a football about 55-60 yards and im only like 16, it is ALL about technique and practice believe me, I used to suck at throwing. Get out there and throw a football for 15-20 minutes each day, work on techinique make sure you use your whole body step into it, and you will be able to throw far

I think youre underestimating how much 60 yards really is guy

Clinton Portis wrote:Is it true, do you have to have a really strong arm to throw a deep ball, or is it all about Technique and how you throw it?

I was just wondering, because sometimes people say "so and so has no arm" and then they throw a 60 yard bomb to someone in a game.

So is it Technique, or Arm Strength?

Clinton Portis wrote:Is it true, do you have to have a really strong arm to throw a deep ball, or is it all about Technique and how you throw it?

I was just wondering, because sometimes people say "so and so has no arm" and then they throw a 60 yard bomb to someone in a game.

So is it Technique, or Arm Strength?

welch wrote:Wow! A thread that started in 2005!

I'll add that Billy Kilmer was said to have small hands, which was why he sometimes threw ugly wobblers.

Kilmer72 wrote:

welch wrote:Wow! A thread that started in 2005!

I'll add that Billy Kilmer was said to have small hands, which was why he sometimes threw ugly wobblers.

Yeah, I know I am a little late but... Those were perfectly thrown "ugly wobblers"

Countertrey wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

welch wrote:Wow! A thread that started in 2005!

I'll add that Billy Kilmer was said to have small hands, which was why he sometimes threw ugly wobblers.

Yeah, I know I am a little late but... Those were perfectly thrown "ugly wobblers"

They did tend to get where they needed to be...


OTOH, Jurgensen would have beaten Miami...

That's right... "I follow the Redskins... and I like Sonny"
Who, besides Welch, has the correct response?

Kilmer72 wrote:I was really too young to remember although I was watching the games then. Perhaps one of you guys can explain exactly what Kilmer brought to the table. My understanding was he was the coach's preference. Why? Did he hate Sonny for a reason? I never understood it. Wasn't Sonny coming off an injury too?

Countertrey wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I was really too young to remember although I was watching the games then. Perhaps one of you guys can explain exactly what Kilmer brought to the table. My understanding was he was the coach's preference. Why? Did he hate Sonny for a reason? I never understood it. Wasn't Sonny coming off an injury too?

Remember my comments in the Cousins is Better thread? Kilmer ran the play that was called. Allen liked that. Jurgensen, unfortunately, understood defenses. He'd saunter up behind center, put his hands on his hips, and scan the field... and, often, audible to a pass. It didn't matter that it resulted in a touchdown... Allen called the plays. While both Billy and Sonny were not averse to party hardy, Sonny didn't care who knew about it. Billy, on the other hand, was far more discrete (even though, half the time, he was out with Sonny. The bottom line, Billy appeared to be disciplined, respectful, and the model of a team leader. He was also tough as nails, and couldn't pronounce "quit". There were times when he simply willed the team to win. Sonny... was Sonny. If he thought something was stupid, he had no problems saying so (refer to any Redskins broadcast when Sonny is offering his opinion for validation... I remember when he famously told his audience that something the revered Joe Gibbs did was not the smartest thing he'd ever seen... ummm... yeah).

George Allen wanted obedience. George Allen wanted predictability. George Allen had no sense of humor... and Sonny was disobedient, unpredictable, irreverent, and loved a good joke.
Therefore, Allen loved Kilmer. It didn't hurt that Billy was pretty effective. If you followed the Redskins, you loved both of them... unless you were George Allen. The Superbowl was moot. Jurgensen was injured, and unable to suit up... but, had he been playing, I have no doubt that the Dolphins would have ended the season 14 and 1.

Care to weigh in, Welch?

Countertrey wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I was really too young to remember although I was watching the games then. Perhaps one of you guys can explain exactly what Kilmer brought to the table. My understanding was he was the coach's preference. Why? Did he hate Sonny for a reason? I never understood it. Wasn't Sonny coming off an injury too?

Remember my comments in the Cousins is Better thread? Kilmer ran the play that was called. Allen liked that. Jurgensen, unfortunately, understood defenses. He'd saunter up behind center, put his hands on his hips, and scan the field... and, often, audible to a pass. It didn't matter that it resulted in a touchdown... Allen called the plays. While both Billy and Sonny were not averse to party hardy, Sonny didn't care who knew about it. Billy, on the other hand, was far more discrete (even though, half the time, he was out with Sonny. The bottom line, Billy appeared to be disciplined, respectful, and the model of a team leader. He was also tough as nails, and couldn't pronounce "quit". There were times when he simply willed the team to win. Sonny... was Sonny. If he thought something was stupid, he had no problems saying so (refer to any Redskins broadcast when Sonny is offering his opinion for validation... I remember when he famously told his audience that something the revered Joe Gibbs did was not the smartest thing he'd ever seen... ummm... yeah).

George Allen wanted obedience. George Allen wanted predictability. George Allen had no sense of humor... and Sonny was disobedient, unpredictable, irreverent, and loved a good joke.
Therefore, Allen loved Kilmer. It didn't hurt that Billy was pretty effective. If you followed the Redskins, you loved both of them... unless you were George Allen. The Superbowl was moot. Jurgensen was injured, and unable to suit up... but, had he been playing, I have no doubt that the Dolphins would have ended the season 14 and 1.

Care to weigh in, Welch?

Kilmer72 wrote:
Kilmer ran the plays he was supposed to and Sonny changed them.

welch wrote:Sonny called his own plays, and he mixed passes to everyone. Check the stats for passes to Jerry Smith, for instance. He was unpredictable, and that made Allen nervous. Allen's game plan, I thought, was to:

- be careful

- crowd the opposition closer and closer to their goal line

- get turnovers

- kick a field goal

Kilmer could throw a nice pass when he wound up and when the ball didn't slip. Pefect TD pass to Smith against the Packers during the playoff game against the Packers before SB 7. Partly a surprise, because Allen used Smith more as a decoy or a blocker.

Jurgensen used everyone, and nobody could predict what he would do. Jurgensen also was the best passer of his era, and probably in modern football. Sam Huff insists that Jurgensen could throw a curve-ball pass...Huff claims that Jurgy did that against him several times in practice. Sonny bent the ball around a defender.

Indelible memory: First Cowboy game in 1972, the game before Sonny snapped his achilles tendon. Cowboys started strong and Redskins bobbled a few handoffs. After five minutes, it was Dallas 13 (TD plus two field goals), Redskins 0.

Sonny strolled to the huddle, called a play, slowly walked to the line while pulling his pants over his beer-belly. Face showed that he had not a care in the world. Took the snap, stood up, and fired a down and out to Jerry Smith -- 20 yards. (who had been ignored when Kilmer started). Slowly walked back for the next play, and hit Larry Brown: another 20 yards.

The Redskins clawed back.

In the 4th Quarter, with a 1st down on about the Dallas 10, everyone expected Sonny to hand to Larry Brown...the Redskins first 1,000 yard rusher, by the way. Instead, Sonny faked to Larry and handed to Charlie Haraway, a lumbering FB but also a fine blocker and pass receiver. Brown threw a perfect cross-body block on the Dallas defender on he left side, folded him up, and Haraway breezed into the endzone without being touched.

That was Sonny's style of play-calling.

After that game, Sonny's completion percentage was about 66%...which nobody came near in those days.

The next game, Sonny went down for the season with he achilles tendon injury. Look at the stats for SB 7, and imagine if Sonny had been mixing plays around.

As CT says, the Dolphins would have lost.

milanooco wrote:You can stand at the Goal Line.

Deadskins wrote:

milanooco wrote:You can stand at the Goal Line.

Huh?

WshSkins22 wrote:NO, it has nothing to do with it. Im 16, and Im a skinny guy( I still play fball for my highschool), but the point it, My arms arent huge, but I can throw way farter than my qb, I can throw a football about 55-60 yards and im only like 16, it is ALL about technique and practice believe me, I used to suck at throwing. Get out there and throw a football for 15-20 minutes each day, work on techinique make sure you use your whole body step into it, and you will be able to throw far

In Reply to WshSkins22, Clinton Portis wrote:You can stand at the Goal Line and throw to the Opponents 40? Wow. Wow.