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....and now that you are out of breathe, will you continue to toot your own whistle concerning Lavar?


or since everybody on this board knows how you feel about Lavar do you have to beat a dead horse?


....or will you continue to contradict yourself with all of your hate post being easily accesible?

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

EasyMoney musta been countin' his bills when he wrote:Name a master of anything in the sports world.

Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan, Lennox Lewis, Muhammad Ali....should I continue???

I knew you were going to go this route and this statement right here explains perfectly what is going on in your brain. I'm glad you did, so I can prove you wrong... yet again.

Peyton Manning broke the TD record because of a RULE CHANGE. Peyton Manning cannot play in COLD WEATHER. Peyton Manning can't beat Bill Belechick. Master? I think not.

Michael Jordan came to our lovely basketball franchise here in D.C. and RAN IT INTO THE GROUND. A master of the game wouldn't have left on the terms he did. A master of the game would've left some type of mark on his last team. A master of the game would've turned the team around. It was Eddie Jordan who turned it around. Not Michael.

Ali was smashed so many times in the face by Foreman and Frazier that he can't even function as a normal human being anymore. Greatest fighter ever? Yes. Master? No.

Lennox Lewis is about the closest thing to a master that you have mentioned. Who was the guy from Bmore that beat him? I can't for the life of me remember and I don't care to look it up.

A master is a flawless competitor with a flawless record. Which is the most unattainable goal you can ever set. A master of anything does not exist.

redskincity wrote:....and now that you are out of breathe, will you continue to toot your own whistle concerning Lavar?


or since everybody on this board knows how you feel about Lavar do you have to beat a dead horse?


....or will you continue to contradict yourself with all of your hate post being easily accesible?

So long as this or any other subject keeps coming up, I will continue to post, thank you very much. I will post until the end.

EasyMoney wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

EasyMoney musta been countin' his bills when he wrote:Name a master of anything in the sports world.

Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan, Lennox Lewis, Muhammad Ali....should I continue???

I knew you were going to go this route and this statement right here explains perfectly what is going on in your brain. I'm glad you did, so I can prove you wrong... yet again.

Peyton Manning broke the TD record because of a RULE CHANGE. Peyton Manning cannot play in COLD WEATHER. Peyton Manning can't beat Bill Belechick. Master? I think not.

Michael Jordan came to our lovely basketball franchise here in D.C. and RAN IT INTO THE GROUND. A master of the game wouldn't have left on the terms he did. A master of the game would've left some type of mark on his last team. A master of the game would've turned the team around. It was Eddie Jordan who turned it around. Not Michael.

Ali was smashed so many times in the face by Foreman and Frazier that he can't even function as a normal human being anymore. Greatest fighter ever? Yes. Master? No.

Lennox Lewis is about the closest thing to a master that you have mentioned. Who was the guy from Bmore that beat him? I can't for the life of me remember and I don't care to look it up.

A master is a flawless competitor with a flawless record. Which is the most unattainable goal you can ever set. A master of anything does not exist.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

redskincity wrote:....and now that you are out of breathe, will you continue to toot your own whistle concerning Lavar?


or since everybody on this board knows how you feel about Lavar do you have to beat a dead horse?


....or will you continue to contradict yourself with all of your hate post being easily accesible?

So long as this or any other subject keeps coming up, I will continue to post, thank you very much. I will post until the end.

Well stop lying and let the fatal attraction begin. Your post dont correspond to your Avator?

Lavar Rules give him time and see.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:I think it's safe to say that Peyton has mastered the QB position.

Ali mastered the sweet science.

Jordan mastered the fade-away jumper, especially late in his career, his real one, I mean.

Lewis mastered the art of pummeling the competition.

While these guys are not perfect in their records, they are certainly masters of their sport.

But, if I must find proof without a reasonable doubt that mastery DOES exist in sports...

Vijay Singh, Tiger Woods, and Phil Mickelson have all recently won the...gulp... Masters.

I get it, Lavar ain't perfect. Nobody's perfect, etc.

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Come on!

Is anyone else buying into this garbage?

Look, I was a golf pro, a teaching pro and the very first thing you always tell your students is that you'll never master the game. Just when you think you've mastered it, some hitch comes along and totally ruins some aspect of your game.

Just because the Masters is named "the Masters" doesn't mean that any one of those players are masters or consider themselves masters of the game. All of them will tell you that and any golfer in the world (pro or not) will tell you the same.

So what you're telling me is that because LaVar gets a big contract (if you make the probowl 3 consecutive years, it's expected that you get big money) he should be a perfect linebacker?

He's been an impact player from the start. Not only from the start but for 3 consecutive years.

I like Lavar and he's a good talent. I dont blame his lack of focus on the coach changes. I do blame his lack of productivity based off of his potential on the coach changes. If Lavar can keep his free lancing to a min. and play his role then he'll be everything he's been hyped up to be. The guy is a great athlete and has been good for us but I feel that he hasn't been given the chance to achieve his potential. Its partly his fault, and mostly Danny's.

Lavar is a great player, he will need to stop running around, but a lot of times his running around made great things happen. His injuiry wat unfortunate...but lavar is a beast among men heel be 120% healthy by preseason. And lavar is the heart of the defense

washington53 wrote:And lavar is the heart of the defense

I beg to differ, I believe Antonio Peirce may be battling him for that spot. I'm sorry but Im soo freaking impressed with him.

I think the operative word with Arrington is "potential". The question is, is the possibility that his health and exuberance will always stand in the way of reaching that "potential" something that you can overlook while you throw millions in cap space at him to stand and watch ?
I don't think that what most of us do can be called "bashing" LaVar. I think what we're doing is finally becoming acclimated to the cap era.

There's got to be a cutoff point measured in years where a player no longer has potential and has reached all of it that he's going to.

General Failure wrote:There's got to be a cutoff point measured in years where a player no longer has potential and has reached all of it that he's going to.

OT: I think Smoot is at that point IMO. Thats why Im not too salty about him possibly leaving. I think his #1's could get better with a better defensive line.

Lavar can still live up to his potential in the right circumstances.

tcwest10 wrote:I think the operative word with Arrington is "potential". The question is, is the possibility that his health and exuberance will always stand in the way of reaching that "potential" something that you can overlook while you throw millions in cap space at him to stand and watch ?
I don't think that what most of us do can be called "bashing" LaVar. I think what we're doing is finally becoming acclimated to the cap era.

Who was it in 2001 that came off the bench with a concussion to make a game/season changing INT vs. Carolina? Who played 1 week after sustaining a high ankle sprain in 2003? How many games has LaVar played injured? Playing DE with an injured hand and shoulder. How can anyone question the man's commitment to the team? Why play in the 16th week with playoffs out of reach? Why would Gibbs specifically mention this point? LaVar is a Skin, he is the face of the Skins, and he is the heart of the Skins. He got paid for making 3 straight Pro Bowls, for being a team leader, and for the potential he has to be even better. How many times did LaVar restructure his contract prior to the extension in order to give the team room to make moves? Consummate Team Player.

General Failure wrote:There's got to be a cutoff point measured in years where a player no longer has potential and has reached all of it that he's going to.

Well put---I have some sympathy for Lavar in that he has been in different systems his entire career. He also has struggled with being a team player, and thus hasn't buckled down as well as he could. We keep excusing this because every so often he'll make that huge hit, or run all the way across the field to make a play, or end the career of a quarterback.

Patrick Ramsey, in many ways, is quickly reaching that exact same point----somewhere along the line we gotta stop saying that next year will be the breakout year. It's the very reason why the Skins look so good in March and then lose all of their steam by week 1.

You guys are arguing with a guy who put lennox lewis and muhammad Ali in the same sentence and category.



I'm Canadian... I probably have A LITTLE more knowledge of Lewis than most, he trained less than 100 miles from me in Kitchener. If you saw my boxing collection, you'd know that i know a thing or two about the sport.

If Lennox Lewis is a master... then so is every heavyweight champion that ever walked the planet. He was 30+ years old before he entered a fight that his handlers knew there MIGHT be a chance he would be defeated.

... and a quarterback who has never been to the super bowl DESPITE his obvious prowess has MASTERED the position? Not even ARCHIE manning himself would concede that. Wouldn't a master have been able to DISSECT the same defense that has destroyed him on numerous occasions? he hasn't masterd the Patriots yet, how the hell could he be a master of the position.

... and if you take into account that REDEEMED obviously doesn't know what a master is, or understand that Lavar doesn't need to be the best linebacker to ever play the game to justify his presence on the team, you'll all realize that giving it any lip service is akin to trying to argue with the pope about abortion.

... the only true MASTER of any sport to walk the planet in my opiniion IS Ali... and that's why he's probably the most recognized face in the world. And to be fair, he was stripped of the time when he truly was masterful. Ever want to read a good boxing book -- read Muhammad Ali by Thomas Hauser.

... cause Ali the person is more of a master than Ali the boxer ever will be. Most people just don't understand how large a role he played in the liberation of not only black athletes but people in general.

... and to hear him compared to some poncy, primped up, wanna-be-brit is just the epitome of exaggeration to prove a point.

... a common tactic of the supposedly redeemed one.

he has never performed like everyone thought he should ..... and most likely NEVER will ...to be compared to L.T.#56 already put to much expectation into everyone on how great lavar was going to be ...... so i guess what i'm trying to say is ...... people will always bash lavar,because of one word ....."EXPECTATION"

I agree.

Expectations are DEFINITELY the cause of most chagrin regarding L.A.

... because he truly is a good linebacker...

... and despite what people seem to make allusions to... he has been a sole bright spot for years on the Skins as well as having the good grace to carry this team along with all of it's shortcomings for alot of that time.

Best linebacker in football? No.

But how many teams would love to have him?

BossHog wrote:You guys are arguing with a guy who put lennox lewis and muhammad Ali in the same sentence and category.



I'm Canadian... I probably have A LITTLE more knowledge of Lewis than most, he trained less than 100 miles from me in Kitchener. If you saw my boxing collection, you'd know that i know a thing or two about the sport.

If Lennox Lewis is a master... then so is every heavyweight champion that ever walked the planet. He was 30+ years old before he entered a fight that his handlers knew there MIGHT be a chance he would be defeated.

... and a quarterback who has never been to the super bowl DESPITE his obvious prowess has MASTERED the position? Not even ARCHIE manning himself would concede that. Wouldn't a master have been able to DISSECT the same defense that has destroyed him on numerous occasions? he hasn't masterd the Patriots yet, how the hell could he be a master of the position.

... and if you take into account that REDEEMED obviously doesn't know what a master is, or understand that Lavar doesn't need to be the best linebacker to ever play the game to justify his presence on the team, you'll all realize that giving it any lip service is akin to trying to argue with the pope about abortion.

... the only true MASTER of any sport to walk the planet in my opiniion IS Ali... and that's why he's probably the most recognized face in the world. And to be fair, he was stripped of the time when he truly was masterful. Ever want to read a good boxing book -- read Muhammad Ali by Thomas Hauser.

... cause Ali the person is more of a master than Ali the boxer ever will be. Most people just don't understand how large a role he played in the liberation of not only black athletes but people in general.

... and to hear him compared to some poncy, primped up, wanna-be-brit is just the epitome of exaggeration to prove a point.

... a common tactic of the supposedly redeemed one.

I'd throw Pete Sampras in that category!

Texas Hog wrote:I'd throw Pete Sampras in that category!

If we're throwing names in we should add Cael Sanderson... 159 straight college wins... Olympic Gold medal.... kids no joke...

For a bunch of "Redskin" fans it amazes me how ONLY one of you mentioned LeVar's ability to cause turnovers...our defense was obviously very very good in 2004, but...they didn't cause enough turnovers IMO. LeVar will do that. He'll hit someone so hard the ball flies out (remember the preseason game against Atlanta? Moa removed Vick after that huge hit so he wouldn't be dead before the season started...that was LeVar guys!). Those plays win games...anyone remember Reed hitting Brunell and scoring a TD?

I just can't wait to see LeVar, Washington, Taylor, Springs, Bowen, Griffin, etc...on the field together. Also, it's unfair to hold LeVar accountable for those early years...he played relly well when Marty was here. The other coaches we had didn't focus on defense. Edwards was not ready (may never be) to be a d-cord in the NFL. Plus, the Skins had NO DLine last year..they had Bruce Smith (all I want is one mo sack), Upshaw (I got beat out by Warner), Dalton...these guys were way done last year or very average (Dalton). It was horrible... I think LeVar felt the need to do it all. He won't need to do that now. He knows that, he's a smart guy actually. Ever hear him speak?

Plain and simple, he's an impact player and will excel in this defense with the other players we have...

Take a pill, and move on to some other topic...geez!

Lavar is the best OLB in the NFL

Ever hear him speak?

"Honestly??? (pause) I don't know" and "I play harrrrrd" are his two favorite sayings, at least on his paid appearances on 980. To his credit he says he's very passionate about being a Redskin, and he really loves the fans......harrrrrrrrrd, of course.

...it's unfair to hold LeVar accountable for those early years...he played relly well when Marty was here. The other coaches we had didn't focus on defense. Edwards was not ready (may never be) to be a d-cord in the NFL. ...I think LeVar felt the need to do it all. He won't need to do that now. He knows that...

(sigh) That year under Marty seems like so long ago. I remember the way the team played that year, and, at the time, Lavar seemed to me to truly be the gamebreaker he was billed to be. He's had a few plays since, but with hardly the same consistency of the better known gamebreakers in the league.

Edwards was pretty much hand-picked by Lavar and the LB crew when Lewis took the Bengals job; the same guy for whom Lavar gave a ringing endorsement in the beginning, was the same guy he criticized when things went south in Spurrier's last year.

His absence in 2004, from the playing field, hopefully has helped him realize that, to a degree, he is replaceable, and hopefully it lights a fire under his butt to play "harrrd" and really earn all the hype he gets.

Now, without any more excuses for #56, it's time for him (since he's "the face" of the team) to shine.

Redeemedskin --

You're either very sarcastic or very condescending..I can't decide which...

What does "sigh" mean -- are you put out by my words?