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welch wrote:I was just remembering a couple of great, great Redskins upsets in the playoffs. And smiling at the memory.

You made me smile too. The Falsons playoff game was the infamous MC Hammer game. It was proof positive that "swagger" is overrated. It also sadly illustrates why Irvin is in the Hall and Monk is not. The media, and by extension the electors, don't value guys that just show up and do their jobs with a minimum of fuss. I'm sure they hated the '91 Redskins 'cause they didn't run their mouths, and their sidelines were not a sideshow. It's just hard to fill in your column-inches writing about a team that is truly a team, greater than the sum of its parts, devoid of loudmouths desperate for attention.

HEROHAMO: I'm going to guess you also need a pretty good safety to run the 46, since it's named after one. It would certainly explain Williams' fascination with the position, too.

To say the 46 D is vulnerable to the pass is to say that all defenses are. What’s the best D against the pass? Prevent?? How many times have we seen team lose a game when they went to prevent? I heard a D1 defensive coordinator once say you need 17 player to cover the field on D…8 to cover the A,B,C, and D gaps and 9 to cover the intermediate, middle and long pass routes. Of course you can only use 11 players, so D coordinator have to adjust. They have to stop the run and cover to pass. The best way to do this is to disrupt the timing of the offense, that’s exactly what the 46 did. The 85 Bears defense was the best I ever saw. It was the best example of a coach using a scheme the fit the great players he had.

It was named for Doug Plank who was the eight man in the box, he wore the number “46”. What the Bears did was put eight men in the box, and dared you to pass. Eight men in the box meant you couldn’t run, on every play they would send at least 6 so they had a great pass rush, that left 5 to cover the offenses 5 man to man. If the TE stayed in to block that LB would come. The Skins had some success by having max protect and throwing is up for grabs, once they hit a few it took the eighth man out of the box, then they could run the ball.

I use a variation of this at the high school and Pop Warner level. For high school I call it “gap 8” I like it in the red zone to fill all eight gaps. At the pop warner lever, its call “gap on mirror” I cover all eight gaps first and go man to man with the rest. Hard to get young kids to play zone, plus I’m not to worry about the pass at that level. If they do pass I’m bringing at least 6 on every play and kids at that level have no clue who to block so in essence I’m blitzing every play.

So basically Buddy Ryan put eight in the box to stop the run, if you dared to pass he went man to man on the receivers and sent between 6 to 8 pass rushers. Who was coming was to hard part for o-line to figure out, either way Buddy was sure his 6-8 would beat whatever scheme you were in. The gaol was to sack the QB or at the least disrupt the timing of the play and nobody did it better than the 85 Bears.

Don’t forget they shellacked us 45-10 in 85. Dan Marino had a nice night against them with that quick release of his.

As for the Skins running it… I don’t think they have the personnel. Plus with the rules today, DB’s can’t breath on WR’s after 5 yards. Would be interesting to see if that D would be successful in today’s game.

hailskins666 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If we can get Smoot to defend that quick inside slant we'd be even better.

in light of recent events, it seems we'll have to get 'someone else' to cover that slant, now doesn't it?

It would seem..........dreams do come true..

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If we can get Smoot to defend that quick inside slant we'd be even better.

Seems like a good time to revive this post ...

Note London Fletcher's explanation of he killer play in the Bills game. Fletcher said that the Bills had hit a seam in the defense.

Ouch.

Problem, maybe, was that the Redskins did not pressure the Bills QB on the play. Still, there was a lot of open space between the LOS and the receiver. It looked like all the DB's and LB's had been cleared out.

Dishgeek wrote:

welch wrote:I was just remembering a couple of great, great Redskins upsets in the playoffs. And smiling at the memory.

You made me smile too. The Falsons playoff game was the infamous MC Hammer game. It was proof positive that "swagger" is overrated. It also sadly illustrates why Irvin is in the Hall and Monk is not. The media, and by extension the electors, don't value guys that just show up and do their jobs with a minimum of fuss. I'm sure they hated the '91 Redskins 'cause they didn't run their mouths, and their sidelines were not a sideshow. It's just hard to fill in your column-inches writing about a team that is truly a team, greater than the sum of its parts, devoid of loudmouths desperate for attention.

HEROHAMO: I'm going to guess you also need a pretty good safety to run the 46, since it's named after one. It would certainly explain Williams' fascination with the position, too.

I commented on the secondary. The safties are part of the secondary you know.