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1niksder wrote:

Texas Hog wrote:How much dead money are we hauling around on JT?

$1.162 Million in 2004.... $4.648 Million this coming year

thanks....and

General Failure wrote:Lies, lies, all of it lies. He may have humbled and begged Reid to give him another chance, but he didn't gracefully accept anything. He came in assuming he was going to start at MLB. He said in an interview a couple weeks ago that he was so ashamed at having to play special teams that he bleepin' cried when he stepped on the field for the season opener.

That's disgusting. The man has no concept of teamwork, and as far as I can tell, he never did. Fact 'o business, I always thought that Philly was a great defensive team with Johnson calling the shots anyway. He could've done the same thing with anybody, just like Rhodes, Ryan and now Williams.
He's the reason Philly has been so good on that side of the ball, IMHO.

I agree with that, but it helps that there's someone at MLB that can tackle anyone weighing more than 180 pounds.

Too bad you couldn't hold onto Barber a little longer.

I don't know about Trotter, but now that I think about it, it was a bad idea to let go of Stephen Davis. Imagine what he could have done in the Gibbs' offense. But, make no mistake, I am truly excited about Clinton Portis now!!!

Trotter will be brain dead in two years.

Philly is using him as a battering ram. Thats the only scheme his dumb azz gets to execute.

Tug_72 wrote:I don't know about Trotter, but now that I think about it, it was a bad idea to let go of Stephen Davis. Imagine what he could have done in the Gibbs' offense. But, make no mistake, I am truly excited about Clinton Portis now!!!

Davis is basically finished with football, no?

unfortunatly. #48 will always be one of my favorites.

hailskins666 wrote:unfortunatly. #48 will always be one of my favorites.

Me too.

Davis will always have a place in my card book, but I always thought that he cost us more games by being out due to injury than he won while healthy. We came to depend on him heavily, and he wasn't there.
The Panthers are paying the same price.

Davis was beast...
but he wasnt there when we needed him.
But still hes a favorite

If you people would remember Pierce's first season HE SHOWED HIS POTENTIAL THEN !!!
Then "the Daniel" needed a name to play LB and not a young talent so they picked up the Giants LB and that put Pierce to backup and special teams.
The Skins will not overpay for Pierce though and if they have to they will pick up draft picks for him and not loose him for nothing like we did with Barber.

i agree with everything said about stephen davis. he was a great redskin. but he was also hurt too often, and had a much overlooked fumbling problem. at a certain point in his last year or two here, you had to worry all game when that obligatory fumble was going to pop out- usually at the worst time. remember when the 0-4 redskins under schittenheimer met up with the 0-4 cowboys in 2001? we had the game won, just grinding it out to kill the clock, and managed to get close enough to a score that would completely ice it. POP, there goes the ball, stephen davis fumble, dallas drives the field and wins the game.

we were supposed to be great in 2000 but ended up 8-8... one game we lost was against lowly arizona! what was the single play that lost us that game? stephen davis fumbled on the GOAL LINE going in for the TD, aneas williams scooped it up and ran it back 100 yards the other way for a TD.

still, i can't help but dream of what might have been had davis and gibbs overlapped here with the redskins... he is just the archetypical joe gibbs back (as evidenced by how well he runs in dan henning's offense down in carolina).

That "lowly" Arizona team had our number for years, man.
I remember that all too well.

tcwest10 wrote:That "lowly" Arizona team had our number for years, man.
I remember that all too well.

Now it's the Cowboys and Eagles.

1fan4ramsey wrote:

tcwest10 wrote:That "lowly" Arizona team had our number for years, man.
I remember that all too well.

Now it's the Cowboys and Eagles.

I won't argue with the Eagles part, because they have everybody's number lately.
With Dallas, we generally have lost before we come out onto the field. It's a mentality that we need to overcome.
Somehow, it's an automatic "L" no matter who should win. I'm sure I'll catch hell for this, but that's what I see.
The last game we won against 'em was the last game Campo lost. That's not right.

It's all about the scheme. Trotter is one reason why the Eagles at the Show.

I think more so than Gibbs that it was Williams who did not want Trotter on the D due to a lack of speed and an inability to play disciplined out in space. I remember hearing about how Trotter was at the initial Gibbs re-introduction and was supposedly excited about the chance to play for him. In any case, I'd have to agree with an earlier post that characterized him as a battering ram. It seems in that scheme his job is to run straight up the middle to blow up inside plays and not much more. I don't recall him making many plays covering the TE over the middle, which would have been necessary in the team defnese here due to the variety of blitzes that Gregg likes to employ.