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SkinsJock wrote:some of you need help - Kirk Cousins is not the starting QB here because he's better than RG3, it's because he's better than Colt McCoy

let's move on

No.

He's clearly the best QB on this roster.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Kirk Cousins is not the starting QB because he's better than RG3, it's because he's better than Colt McCoy - now, let's move on

No.

He's clearly the best available QB on this roster

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:some of you need help - Kirk Cousins is not the starting QB here because he's better than RG3, it's because he's better than Colt McCoy

let's move on

No.

He's clearly the best QB on this roster.

No. He's clearly the best quarterback on any roster. Everyone says so. Haven't you been paying attention?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Kirk Cousins is clearly the best QB on this roster.

No. He's clearly the best quarterback on any roster. Everyone says so. Haven't you been paying attention?

C'mon Scot - pay him top dollar - he's worth every penny ... just ask around ....

PulpExposure wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Mike Shanahan (I did like his son)

It looks like Kyle is struggling in Atlanta already. Familiar things are being said about him (can't work with quarterbacks, predictable offense), etc. If you read Falcons news, there's lots of discussion about firing him already.

He hasn't been there a year already. Follow that on top of him leaving the Browns after one year, and the track record isn't fantastic for Kyle.

I agree. It started off well, but their OFF has become quite stagnant. I haven't been following very closely at all, so I can't really give an opinion as to why, but it doesn't look good for him.

Personally, I still think he's a top tier OC, but who knows.

SkinsJock wrote:just ask around ....

Which is what they did during the trade deadline. Guess who sought out the 3rd stringer? Crickets.

markshark84 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Mike Shanahan (I did like his son)

It looks like Kyle is struggling in Atlanta already. Familiar things are being said about him (can't work with quarterbacks, predictable offense), etc. If you read Falcons news, there's lots of discussion about firing him already.

He hasn't been there a year already. Follow that on top of him leaving the Browns after one year, and the track record isn't fantastic for Kyle.

I agree. It started off well, but their OFF has become quite stagnant. I haven't been following very closely at all, so I can't really give an opinion as to why, but it doesn't look good for him.

Personally, I still think he's a top tier OC, but who knows.

Their quarterback is quite overrated. Good leader but don't have quite all the intangibles to make him good qb.

SkinsJock wrote:you just see what you want - Kirk Cousins is not being allowed to do much and the game planning sucks

whose fault is it that this team does not take any (NONE, ZERO) advantage of turnovers - WHO is at fault?

don't tell me we don't have the players

You're right. I missed the part where Jay Gruden got called for the ten yard holding penalty on first down.

SkinsJock wrote:some of you need help - Kirk Cousins is not the starting QB here because he's better than RG3, it's because he's better than Colt McCoy

You are freaking delusional. Did you take mushrooms over the weekend or something?

Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?

In pass completion percentage!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?

Yes. But most of his passes are about the distance between your left hand and your right one as you type, so there's that.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?

Yes. But most of his passes are about the distance between your left hand and your right one as you type, so there's that.

Well, the stats say in 2015 he's currently ranked 14th in yard per attempt. That's in the top half ot he league. Better than:

Matt Ryan
Eli Manning
Matthew Stafford
Joe Flacco


In 2014... Kirk was third in the league in yard per pass attempt. Only behind Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo.... So.... There's that.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:some of you need help - Kirk Cousins is not the starting QB here because he's better than RG3, it's because he's better than Colt McCoy

You are freaking delusional. Did you take mushrooms over the weekend or something?

and just what does that have to do with the price of eggs? for those that are a little slow here - Jay Gruden decided at the beginning of the season to only use 2 of the 3 QBs

Griffin is on the roster but is not going to be playing QB here in 2015

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?

Yes. But most of his passes are about the distance between your left hand and your right one as you type, so there's that.

Well yesterday wasn't so bad...12 yards per...you must have some long arms Chris!!

I'm surprised that we don't hear more about how great a QB Cousins is considering all his great stats with all the mediocre players he has

SkinsJock wrote:for those that are a little slow here - Jay Gruden decided at the beginning of the season to only use 2 of the 3 QBs

So he decided to start Cousins even though he knows Griffin is the better QB. Ok I get it. Makes a lot of sense. It can be hard to keep up with you.

SkinsJock wrote:I'm surprised that we don't hear more about how great a QB Cousins is considering all his great stats with all the mediocre players he has

Sick burn, bro. You're killing it today.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:for those that are a little slow here - Jay Gruden decided at the beginning of the season to only use 2 of the 3 QBs

So he decided to start Cousins even though he knows Griffin is the better QB. Ok I get it. Makes a lot of sense. It can be hard to keep up with you.

It's some warped conspiracy to think that Gruden wouldn't play the "best" QB on the roster solely because of the $16 million guaranteed for injury.

I'm disappointed that Gruden could not help Griffin when he first came here and also later - in all fairness, Jay Gruden tried very hard to help Griffin but either Griffin could not/would not grasp the basics or Gruden did not have the luxury of waiting till he did

whatever happened, Gruden decided to go with Cousins and McCoy - Griffin while still on the roster is not going to be playing here in 2015 ... I'm sure the $16M is a part of the reason but obviously Gruden had no confidence in Griffin and decided to go with Cousins and McCoy

I doubt that anyone sensible thinks the ONLY reason that Griffin is not playing is because of the $16M hit in the case of injury ...

Cousins has handled his opportunity well, although, at the beginning, it seemed like Gruden was considering McCoy


I want Kirk Cousins to continue to improve & be a really good NFL QB no matter where he's playing in 2015 ... I also hope that Griffin finds some place to play & becomes as good as he can be as well - I still hope & think that RG3 can become a really good NFL QB

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?

Yes. But most of his passes are about the distance between your left hand and your right one as you type, so there's that.

Well, the stats say in 2015 he's currently ranked 14th in yard per attempt. That's in the top half ot he league. Better than:

Matt Ryan
Eli Manning
Matthew Stafford
Joe Flacco


In 2014... Kirk was third in the league in yard per pass attempt. Only behind Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo.... So.... There's that.

It's better in this conversation to talk about how far the ball travels in the air, as Y/A also includes YAC.

This criticism is perhaps half valid. According to the NFL, the average Cousins pass travels 7.98 yards. That’s 18th in the NFL, right in the middle of the pack, just behind Aaron Rodgers, who averages a distance of 7.99 yards per pass. Some quarterbacks, like Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger, throw passes that average over 10 yards in the air. Others, like Rivers and Matthew Stafford, average less than 6.9 yards of distance per pass. In all, there are 14 qualifying quarterbacks who throw passes that are on average shorter than Cousins’ and have a lower completion percentage.

Also of interest:

Only two quarterbacks, Roethlisberger and the Bills’ Tyrod Taylor, are in the top 10 in both average pass length and completion percentage.

And finally on expectations on how much he'll cost:

The numbers that get the most attention will be the ones on Cousins’ new contract, whether it’s with the Redskins or elsewhere. The stats show that he’s a middle of the pack quarterback in a lot of ways, perhaps upper middle by some measures but clearly not in the top group. And he has only done it for one year. Even given the shortage of qualified quarterbacks in the NFL it seems doubtful that the Redskins or any team would break the bank for Cousins.

But “break the bank” is a relative term. The Redskins or someone will end up paying him somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 million to $15 million per year for two or three years. That is a hefty payday for most NFL players but it would put Cousins in the lower tier of salaries for veteran starting quarterbacks.

PulpExposure wrote:It's better in this conversation to talk about how far the ball travels in the air, as Y/A also includes YAC.

This criticism is perhaps half valid. According to the NFL, the average Cousins pass travels 7.98 yards. That’s 18th in the NFL, right in the middle of the pack, just behind Aaron Rodgers, who averages a distance of 7.99 yards per pass. Some quarterbacks, like Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger, throw passes that average over 10 yards in the air. Others, like Rivers and Matthew Stafford, average less than 6.9 yards of distance per pass. In all, there are 14 qualifying quarterbacks who throw passes that are on average shorter than Cousins’ and have a lower completion percentage.

I'm not sure where CSN got their numbers but NFL.com places Cousins tied for 24th at 7.3

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... RAGE_YARDS

I think it's more important to talk about why most of Cousins passes are short. If he had all damn day in the pocket like the teams we play against seem to have then his receivers would eventually get open.

I want to see what Cousins does next season with a real center and left guard. And I want him to stop telegraphing those out route passes. As a matter of fact, take that play out of the book. Almost every interception he's thrown this season has been that play.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:It's better in this conversation to talk about how far the ball travels in the air, as Y/A also includes YAC.

This criticism is perhaps half valid. According to the NFL, the average Cousins pass travels 7.98 yards. That’s 18th in the NFL, right in the middle of the pack, just behind Aaron Rodgers, who averages a distance of 7.99 yards per pass. Some quarterbacks, like Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger, throw passes that average over 10 yards in the air. Others, like Rivers and Matthew Stafford, average less than 6.9 yards of distance per pass. In all, there are 14 qualifying quarterbacks who throw passes that are on average shorter than Cousins’ and have a lower completion percentage.

I'm not sure where CSN got their numbers but NFL.com places Cousins tied for 24th at 7.3

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... RAGE_YARDS

I think it's more important to talk about why most of Cousins passes are short. If he had all damn day in the pocket like the teams we play against seem to have then his receivers would eventually get open.

I want to see what Cousins does next season with a real center and left guard. And I want him to stop telegraphing those out route passes. As a matter of fact, take that play out of the book. Almost every interception he's thrown this season has been that play.

The NFL.com number is just Yards per attempt (Y/A), not yards in the air. So a pass thrown 2 yards but the receiver then runs for 8 would count as 10 for Y/A purposes, but 2 for yards in the air. Plus NFL.com stats for Y/A include folks who don't throw many passes (note the leading player in that stat is a RB from Tennessee who has thrown 1 pass...for 41 yards).

Another factor to consider is how much of that is due to Gruden's offense. Gruden likes his short passing game.

PulpExposure wrote:It's better in this conversation to talk about how far the ball travels in the air, as Y/A also includes YAC.

The NFL.com number is just Yards per attempt (Y/A), not yards in the air. So a pass thrown 2 yards but the receiver then runs for 8 would count as 10 for Y/A purposes, but 2 for yards in the air. Plus NFL.com stats for Y/A include folks who don't throw many passes (note the leading player in that stat is a RB from Tennessee who has thrown 1 pass...for 41 yards).

Another factor to consider is how much of that is due to Gruden's offense. Gruden likes his short passing game.

To be honest, I'm having trouble placing any of these stats in context. If Cousins is eight yards behind the line of scrimmage and throws a screen pass in the flat to a receiver two yards beyond the line of scrimmage then the pass is ten yards in the air but only a two yard gain unless there is eight yards YAC, as in your example above, in which case it's a two yard pass completion where the ball went ten yards in the air for a ten yard gain.

It's hard for me to place individual stats in context without the game film. But if we're going to take stats in a vacuum then Cousins is either Tony Romo or Brian Hoyer. I just hope we pay him like Hoyer, not like Romo.

I'm also going to beg for an increase in the limit to the number of quotes embedded within one another. Three is forcing nearly every good replay to be manually edited.

SkinsJock wrote:I doubt that anyone sensible thinks the ONLY reason that Griffin is not playing is because of the $16M hit in the case of injury ...