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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:24 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Apparently you read more then three words cool guy..
Like I said this conversation is, was, and will always be over your head. You gripe about his contributions, I provide plays, stats, facts... And you just can't see through the fog. It's cool I'm beginning to feel like I'm feeding a troll already. I hope he makes it, if not dang...
But I will certainly fry up some crow should he lead the league in ko yards (again) score a few times and win a game or two for us..


Side note: if Austin TX wasn't in your screen name, or your listing for location.. that last crap u posted MIGHT hold up. Where you were born and where you live aren't always the same. Keep on pimpn it tho player, I'm sure Texas rocks!

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:28 pm
by ATX_Skins
cowboykillerzRED wrote:Where you were born and where you live aren't always the same.


Is everyone clear on this?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:32 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
I rep NOVA but claim Austin..

I mean I rep Austin but claim NOVA....

Uh uh uh I mean I'm NOVA! Austin is my summer house. Stfu man I could care less what you "claim" or who you hate..

I just hope Cooley and BB make your irrational posts look foolish... Again.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:35 pm
by ATX_Skins
cowboykillerzRED wrote:I rep NOVA but claim Austin..

I mean I rep Austin but claim NOVA....

Uh uh uh I mean I'm NOVA! Austin is my summer house. Stfu man I could care less what you "claim" or who you hate..

I just hope Cooley and BB make your irrational posts look foolish... Again.


What does rep mean?

Don't forget Hankerson ;)

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:38 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Add the guy that as a rookie made a redskins franchise record for the most yards in a single game? Sure. Should he be healthy come game time I'm sure he will aid in the destruction of ignorant posts across the world.

* what does rep mean? Lol -DELETED-
To be politically correct, its hard not to use the word retard (although u often do) when I know you are online..

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:43 pm
by SkinsFreak
Just thought I'd share a few thoughts regarding Aldrick Robinson.

Like many, upgrading the WR position has been on my mind quite a bit this past offseason, and after much thought, I have Aldrick Robinson as my dark horse to make the team. Here's a few thoughts as to why I believe this.

I'll start by mentioning Perry Riley. After we drafted the LB out of LSU in the 4th round, many thought he'd step in quickly to help out a struggling LB core at the time. But when we first saw him in preseason action as a rookie, he looked completely lost in the 3/4 defense and we barely saw anything from him the rest of his rookie year.

So in 2011 when Riley replaced McIntosh as the starter, Riley exploded on the field and blew everyone away with his performances. So what happened? Well, during his rookie year, Lou Spanos and Jim Haslett were developing the kid behind the scenes and turned him into a solid LB. This coaching staff has done well at developing players. Not only did we see great development with Riley, but we also witnessed solid development with some of our offensive players as well... players such as Royster, Helu and some of our back-up OL guys who were forced into action due to injury with our original starters. Our back-up o-linemen started playing very well towards the end of the season, helping both rookies Helu and Royster obtain several games each rushing for 100+ yards.

With that said, I believe that same kind of development may have been happening with Robinson behind the scenes while he spent last season on the practice squad. The 2011 CBA battle that negated the entire offseason last year made it pretty difficult for a rookie WR to earn a roster spot on the 53-man squad. We all know the WR position is difficult to learn and takes many WR's a few seasons to master.

But here's what we know...

After spending the entire season on the practice squad, the Jaguars made an attempt to sign Robinson just prior to the last game of the 2011 season. Shanahan promoted Robinson to the 53-man active roster for the last game of the year in an obvious attempt to block the Jag's from getting him.

Now, after watching and evaluating Robinson's development for an entire year on the practice squad, if Shanahan didn't see promise or potential in the kid, I'm pretty sure they would have let the Jag's sign him, especially considering that the coaching staff probably already knew at that point that addressing the WR position was going to be a priority for the coming offseason.

After the signing of Garcon and Morgan, and with the return to health of Hankerson and the healthier, stronger and lighter Moss, I think we can easily assume those four are safe. So on the bubble we have Armstrong, Austin, Banks and Robinson. Of this group, I believe Robinson could be leading the bunch.

First, Robinson is one of Shanahan's draft picks. Robinson played for Mike Shanahan's close friend June Jones at SMU and Shanahan likes players from that offense. (Shanny took another SMU Mustang this year in Josh LeRibeus.)

Anthony Armstrong had a very poor year in 2011 with only 7 catches for 103 yards. Some of this can be attributed to poor QB play, but much of it had to do with Armstrong not impressing in practices. Armstrong only started 2 games last year. If Shanahan had more faith and trust in him, especially AA coming off a strong 2010 campaign, AA should have started more games in 2011. I believe AA was struggling for whatever reason and Shanahan lost some faith in him. We also have to remember that AA was a 27 year old rookie in 2010 and a leftover from the Zorn era. Now at 29, I believe his age and the fact that he was a Zorn guy puts Robinson (a Shanahan draft pick) in the lead position. (We've seen what Shanahan has done with the vast majority of Zorn's and Ceratto's guys.)

We all know, recognize and admire Banks skills as a returner and we already know Shanahan likes him very much in that role. I'll never forget the smile on Shanahan's face walking the sideline having just watched Banks return a kick for a TD in preseason last year. But as we all agree, and as Shanahan has recently noted, Banks must to more than just return kicks.

So at WR, I honestly see more potential with Robinson than I do with Banks. As others have mentioned, Banks size, or more accurately, his lack of size, makes him extremely weak at the WR position. Banks is noted for being the leagues lightest player since 2010. With the glaring weakness we've had at WR over the past few years, if the coaches thought Banks or Austin had potential, I believe we would have seen them on the field at some point over the past two years. We didn't... and that tells me Banks and Austin are lacking something, or have yet to develop to the coaches liking.

When Shanahan drafted Robinson in the 6th round last year, some thought Robinson could eventually prove to be a sleeper of the 2011 draft class. I believe that prediction could still come to fruition. All fans have seen from Robinson are 2 muffed punts in preseason last year. I honestly believe that was simply the result of a nervous rookie playing in his first NFL action. We've already heard some very positive comments regarding Robinson's development from this offseasons mini-camps, OTA's and workouts, and Robinson himself feels more confident coming into this season. I very well could end up being wrong about the kid, but I believe Shanahan really likes him and Robinson will make the team this year.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:48 pm
by ATX_Skins
SkinsFreak wrote:Just thought I'd share a few thoughts regarding Aldrick Robinson.

Like many, upgrading the WR position has been on my mind quite a bit this past offseason, and after much thought, I have Aldrick Robinson as my dark horse to make the team. Here's a few thoughts as to why I believe this.

I'll start by mentioning Perry Riley. After we drafted the LB out of LSU in the 4th round, many thought he'd step in quickly to help out a struggling LB core at the time. But when we first saw him in preseason action as a rookie, he looked completely lost in the 3/4 defense and we barely saw anything from him the rest of his rookie year.

So in 2011 when Riley replaced McIntosh as the starter, Riley exploded on the field and blew everyone away with his performances. So what happened? Well, during his rookie year, Lou Spanos and Jim Haslett were developing the kid behind the scenes and turned him into a solid LB. This coaching staff has done well at developing players. Not only did we see great development with Riley, but we also witnessed solid development with some of our offensive players as well... players such as Royster, Helu and some of our back-up OL guys who were forced into action due to injury with our original starters. Our back-up o-linemen started playing very well towards the end of the season, helping both rookies Helu and Royster obtain several games each rushing for 100+ yards.

With that said, I believe that same kind of development may have been happening with Robinson behind the scenes while he spent last season on the practice squad. The 2011 CBA battle that negated the entire offseason last year made it pretty difficult for a rookie WR to earn a roster spot on the 53-man squad. We all know the WR position is difficult to learn and takes many WR's a few seasons to master.

But here's what we know...

After spending the entire season on the practice squad, the Jaguars made an attempt to sign Robinson just prior to the last game of the 2011 season. Shanahan promoted Robinson to the 53-man active roster for the last game of the year in an obvious attempt to block the Jag's from getting him.

Now, after watching and evaluating Robinson's development for an entire year on the practice squad, if Shanahan didn't see promise or potential in the kid, I'm pretty sure they would have let the Jag's sign him, especially considering that the coaching staff probably already knew at that point that addressing the WR position was going to be a priority for the coming offseason.

After the signing of Garcon and Morgan, and with the return to health of Hankerson and the healthier, stronger and lighter Moss, I think we can easily assume those four are safe. So on the bubble we have Armstrong, Austin, Banks and Robinson. Of this group, I believe Robinson could be leading the bunch.

First, Robinson is one of Shanahan's draft picks. Robinson played for Mike Shanahan's close friend June Jones at SMU and Shanahan likes players from that offense. (Shanny took another SMU Mustang this year in Josh LeRibeus.)

Anthony Armstrong had a very poor year in 2011 with only 7 catches for 103 yards. Some of this can be attributed to poor QB play, but much of it had to do with Armstrong not impressing in practices. Armstrong only started 2 games last year. If Shanahan had more faith and trust in him, especially AA coming off a strong 2010 campaign, AA should have started more games in 2011. I believe AA was struggling for whatever reason and Shanahan lost some faith in him. We also have to remember that AA was a 27 year old rookie in 2010 and a leftover from the Zorn era. Now at 29, I believe his age and the fact that he was a Zorn guy puts Robinson (a Shanahan draft pick) in the lead position. (We've seen what Shanahan has done with the vast majority of Zorn's and Ceratto's guys.)

We all know, recognize and admire Banks skills as a returner and we already know Shanahan likes him very much in that role. I'll never forget the smile on Shanahan's face walking the sideline having just watched Banks return a kick for a TD in preseason last year. But as we all agree, and as Shanahan has recently noted, Banks must to more than just return kicks.

So at WR, I honestly see more potential with Robinson than I do with Banks. As others have mentioned, Banks size, or more accurately, his lack of size, makes him extremely weak at the WR position. Banks is noted for being the leagues lightest player since 2010. With the glaring weakness we've had at WR over the past few years, if the coaches thought Banks or Austin had potential, I believe we would have seen them on the field at some point over the past two years. We didn't... and that tells me Banks and Austin are lacking something, or have yet to develop to the coaches liking.

When Shanahan drafted Robinson in the 6th round last year, some thought Robinson could eventually prove to be a sleeper of the 2011 draft class. I believe that prediction could still come to fruition. All fans have seen from Robinson are 2 muffed punts in preseason last year. I honestly believe that was simply the result of a nervous rookie playing in his first NFL action. We've already heard some very positive comments regarding Robinson's development from this offseasons mini-camps, OTA's and workouts, and Robinson himself feels more confident coming into this season. I very well could end up being wrong about the kid, but I believe Shanahan really likes him and Robinson will make the team this year.


Great post, very insightful. However, you just kicked a hornets nest lol

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:11 pm
by skinsfan#33
ATX_Skins wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:I also am not a fan of excuses, which members on this board seem to be full of.


So accurately accessing why BB's TD's were removed from that stat column is "excuse making"? :lol: A yes/no will suffice.


Yes


So... Using your "logic".

Let's say whomever you prefer gets BB's roster spot. And that player has 5 returns called back due to his teammates being penalized. You're saying that he too should be replaced? A yes/no will suffice.


If that player is going into the third year with the same issues, yes.

That is another one of your retarded posts! How is someone else not doing their job properly BB's fault? Just like the eight blocked kicks weren't Gano's fault!

So a TD being called back because some OTHER player didn't do his job is Banks fault? If you say yes, that is just plain moronic!

By the way, I'm from Maryland (Suitland specifically). I have no idea why you thought I was from Florida.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:29 pm
by ATX_Skins
skinsfan#33 wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:I also am not a fan of excuses, which members on this board seem to be full of.


So accurately accessing why BB's TD's were removed from that stat column is "excuse making"? :lol: A yes/no will suffice.


Yes


So... Using your "logic".

Let's say whomever you prefer gets BB's roster spot. And that player has 5 returns called back due to his teammates being penalized. You're saying that he too should be replaced? A yes/no will suffice.


If that player is going into the third year with the same issues, yes.

That is another one of your retarded posts! How is someone else not doing their job properly BB's fault? Just like the eight blocked kicks weren't Gano's fault!

So a TD being called back because some OTHER player didn't do his job is Banks fault? If you say yes, that is just plain moronic!

By the way, I'm from Maryland (Suitland specifically). I have no idea why you thought I was from Florida.


Listen, you are going to feel like a moron when the guy you are praising doesn't even make the team. It's not like I'm being negative towards an obvious starter. This guy is on the bubble. I have already said I wouldn't mind him having a roster spot if he can contribute as a WR. I'm not even entertaining his gimmik trick play TD throw either so don't give me that BS.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:36 pm
by Red_One43
SkinsFreak wrote: if the coaches thought Banks or Austin had potential, I believe we would have seen them on the field at some point over the past two years.


SkinsFreak, Shanny has told the media and fans a number of times why he didn't want to play Banks as a WR. I posted one such article earlier on this thread.

Red_One43 wrote on July 18, 2012:
They keep saying that Banks has no skills as a receiver. They also say if he had skills Shanny would have used him.


Red_One43 quoted Mike Shanahan:
“That’s been our goal all along,” Shanahan said. “Banks has some very good receiver skills. He’s got very good hands, he’s tough, and the more consistent he can be in practice -- it’s been tough because he got hurt -- but we would like to get him more involved.”

Banks tore a ligament in his left knee in 2010 and required surgery. He didn’t miss a game, but struggled to regain his effectiveness. The knee continued to bother Banks off and on last preseason, and during much of the regular season. That kept Shanahan from using him as a receiver. Instead, he made the team as a returns specialist.


Red_One43 quoted Banks:
“I want to be on the offensive side of the ball to help contribute and make big plays,” said Banks, who says his knee is 100 percent healed. “Hopefully I can go out there and make plays. … What I’m known to do is running. By the knee bothering me [last year] I was limited from being 100 percent and being fast as I can be, so I’m very excited to get back feeling the way I felt when I first got here.”


Shanny said in another article, that he didn't want Banks making the cuts that receiver make, because he was too valuable as a return man.

He’s a guy that I’m even afraid to practice as a wide receiverbecause that knee swells up,” Shanahan said of the 5-foot-7, 151-pound Banks, who last season recorded only two receptions.
9/06/2011

This is why Banks didn't play more as a wideout. People brought up that he didn't play wideout before the injury. Hankerson didn't even get activated until mid season. Robinson didn't get activated until the last game. Rookie wideouts rarely play in Shanny's system, period. Brandon was no different when he first made the roster.

About Aldrick Robinson:
Except for the your quote above I agree with the rest of what you wrote about Robinson. I should, I wrote similar things on this same thread earlier. :)

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=90

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-skins/2010 ... -4852.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html[/quote]

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:50 pm
by Red_One43
Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:52 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
I'd like to know the ratio between receptions and plays that BB was on the feild w the offense.

Funny how a few returns and that reverse gets called back and people act like they didn't happen. If you add up all the tea that stood and got called back he probably has more then AAA in their respective careers here. With all the drops triple A had last year I'm surprised no one is throwing him under the bus.
It blows my mind how fans of skins don't like BB and what he's done with every opportunity he's been given.
Yes he is small, so was the mouse right?
#speedkills

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:23 pm
by Red_One43
cowboykillerzRED wrote:I'd like to know the ratio between receptions and plays that BB was on the feild w the offense.

Funny how a few returns and that reverse gets called back and people act like they didn't happen. If you add up all the tea that stood and got called back he probably has more then AAA in their respective careers here. With all the drops triple A had last year I'm surprised no one is throwing him under the bus.
It blows my mind how fans of skins don't like BB and what he's done with every opportunity he's been given.
Yes he is small, so was the mouse right?
#speedkills


This is why people don't like BB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:39 pm
by 1niksder
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:09 pm
by Red_One43
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


I am not surprised, but I am beginning to wonder if Aldrick has what it takes, physically and mentally, to play at this level. He clearly has the talent.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:14 pm
by 1niksder
Red_One43 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


I am not surprised, but I am beginning to wonder if Aldrick has what it takes, physically and mentally, to play at this level. He clearly has the talent.


A still eligible for the PS

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:20 pm
by Red_One43
Here's My 6th

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks

I exchanged Armstrong for Robinson. Robinson needs to show something before I put him back in. I had him in my 6 because of his potential.

Based on last years play for Desmon Briscoe. I am not sure that I replace any of the guys I have. He doesn't return kicks. He is not fast. He doesn't have good hands.

AAA (speed) vs Briscoe (height) - for right now, I am going to stay with AAA.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:23 pm
by Red_One43
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


I am not surprised, but I am beginning to wonder if Aldrick has what it takes, physically and mentally, to play at this level. He clearly has the talent.


A still eligible for the PS


Forgot about that, but knowing that the Jags tried to pluck him last year, I think that he might get picked up. I think the best hope is he looks good a wideout in the preseason games and we get a 7th rounder for him. I am doubting that he is going to be able to catch punts under fire. The mental mistakes at this stage are troubling.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:31 pm
by 1niksder
Red_One43 wrote:Here's My 6th

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks

I exchanged Armstrong for Robinson. Robinson needs to show something before I put him back in. I had him in my 6 because of his potential.

Based on last years play for Desmon Briscoe. I am not sure that I replace any of the guys I have. He doesn't return kicks. He is not fast. He doesn't have good hands.

AAA (speed) vs Briscoe (height) - for right now, I am going to stay with AAA.


That's how my list looks....

Briscoe could push Banks or Armstrong of the roster. He had 6 TD for the Bucs last season, Gaffney was the closest to put up that many TDs with five and he's not on the team anymore.

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:24 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Six tds with less yardage then Royster had rushing in like three games? What's the plus side?
I see him more of a Hanktime replacement if he has a setback and goes to pup. Not pushing the sixth man out.

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:30 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


Is that in regards to BB or Robinson? If you could elaborate or share a link that'd be cool man

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:49 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Red_One43 wrote:
cowboykillerzRED wrote:I'd like to know the ratio between receptions and plays that BB was on the feild w the offense.

Funny how a few returns and that reverse gets called back and people act like they didn't happen. If you add up all the tea that stood and got called back he probably has more then AAA in their respective careers here. With all the drops triple A had last year I'm surprised no one is throwing him under the bus.
It blows my mind how fans of skins don't like BB and what he's done with every opportunity he's been given.
Yes he is small, so was the mouse right?
#speedkills


This is why people don't like BB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA


Ahhhhh I get it.. I thought it was because of this..

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_ur ... EtkA&gl=US

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:33 am
by Red_One43
cowboykillerzRED wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


Is that in regards to BB or Robinson? If you could elaborate or share a link that'd be cool man


He's talking about BB.

This the only link I have found so far. I posted it on this thread a couple of days ago. I would love to see more links on this competition as well.

http://www.redskins101.com/2012/07/26/w ... tands-out/

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:15 am
by SkinsFreak
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


But let's not forget that the first 2 days have been without pads and with no hitting and little checking at the line-of-scrimmage. Once they put the pads and start hitting, it may be a different story.

For the record and clarification, I don't dislike Banks. In fact, he's been one of the few bright spots on this team for the past 2 years. I happen to like him a great deal. My initial post in this thread was not meant to bash Banks, but to offer some thoughts regarding Robinson.

Red_One43 quoted Mike Shanahan:

“That’s been our goal all along,” Shanahan said. “Banks has some very good receiver skills. He’s got very good hands, he’s tough, and the more consistent he can be in practice -- it’s been tough because he got hurt -- but we would like to get him more involved.”


Banks tore a ligament in his left knee in 2010 and required surgery. He didn’t miss a game, but struggled to regain his effectiveness. The knee continued to bother Banks off and on last preseason, and during much of the regular season. That kept Shanahan from using him as a receiver. Instead, he made the team as a returns specialist.


Ok, fair enough. But that only adds to my concerns. In Shanahan's own words, Banks lacks consistency and has struggled with his effectiveness because of injury and durability. I just have a difficult time seeing a 5'7, 150 lb wide receiver lining up on offense, even playing in the slot. At that size, durability is a huge concern, and if he's already struggled with injuries, then the coaches have a difficult decision to make. It's not like Banks has the size or strength to get out there and break one-arm tackles and could easily struggle with durability from hits playing in the slot against more physical corners, safeties and LB's. But I do like him, and it's fun to root for the underdog, so to speak.

For me, assuming all or most things are equal, if it's a head-to-head battle between Robinson and Banks for the last WR spot, I may lean towards Robinson. Banks has serious size issues, has had injury and durability issues, has had off-the-field issues and was undrafted. (Shanahan actually used a valuable draft pick on Robinson)

Again, assuming all or most things are equal, if it's a head-to-head battle between Robinson and Armstrong for the last WR spot, again I'm leaning towards Robinson. Armstrong is 29 entering just his 3 year, was a leftover from the Zorn/Ceratto era and had a major sophmore slump for whatever reason. He was also undrafted. (Now, not saying Banks and Armstrong going undrafted should be a deciding factor, but it can be relevant since Robinson was hand-selected by Shanahan.)

I'd also like to add that I'm not out there watching them compete in camp head-to-head. So I could be very wrong about Robinson as he may need more development. Nevertheless... hey, may the best man win. That's all any of us care about, I'm sure. Shanahan likes serious competition and that's what we're gonna get for the next month.

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:46 am
by DarthMonk
My biggest concern is durability followed by ball security. We all know he can break open a game.

Red_One43 wrote:Shanny said in another article, that he didn't want Banks making the cuts that receiver make, because he was too valuable as a return man.


He’s a guy that I’m even afraid to practice as a wide receiver because that knee swells up,” Shanahan said of the 5-foot-7, 151-pound Banks, who last season recorded only two receptions.


So is it his return value or the knee swelling??