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Countertrey wrote:Kelly is not done yet... but, he needs to get on the field pretty quickly.

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Kelly is not done yet... but, he needs to get on the field pretty quickly.

While the fat lady hasn't sung, she IS warming up

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Kelly is not done yet... but, he needs to get on the field pretty quickly.

While the fat lady hasn't sung, she IS warming up

skinsfan#33 wrote:my 2 cents:

WR
Tana
Gaffney
AAA
Paul
Hankerson
(Maybe one more, but doubtful)

KR/PR
Banks

Banks is just too damned dangerous a returner to cast asside. he makes the team as a KR/PR and isn't counted on to be a WR. His big play ability is something the Skins have not had in decades!

He makes the team just like a snapper, a kicker and a punter. You use 4 roster spots on ST and the other 49 for the rest! That gives you 24 spots for offense and 24 for defense and one more to put where ever.

numbers at each spot on O:

QB -3
RB - 3
FB - 1
OL - 9
TE - 3
WR - 5

Numbers for D:

DL - 7
LB - 8
CB - 5
S - 4

That leaves one extra person, probably a RB, FB, or TE

die cowboys die wrote:Aside from Santana, I think i might really rather keep any promising youngster over any of the vets. It's about time this team started really developing some young talent. Would suck to cut someone like Austin and watch him end up having a solid career elsewhere, to try and squeeze a healthy productive season out of Stallworth-- i honestly won't be rooting for him anyway, as he should be spending the rest of his life in prison. Did we forget that he KILLED somebody through his own selfish irresponsible actions? There is no excuse for drinking and driving.

Red_One43 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:my 2 cents:

WR
Tana
Gaffney
AAA
Paul
Hankerson
(Maybe one more, but doubtful)

KR/PR
Banks

Banks is just too damned dangerous a returner to cast asside. he makes the team as a KR/PR and isn't counted on to be a WR. His big play ability is something the Skins have not had in decades!

He makes the team just like a snapper, a kicker and a punter. You use 4 roster spots on ST and the other 49 for the rest! That gives you 24 spots for offense and 24 for defense and one more to put where ever.

numbers at each spot on O:

QB -3
RB - 3
FB - 1
OL - 9
TE - 3
WR - 5

Numbers for D:

DL - 7
LB - 8
CB - 5
S - 4

That leaves one extra person, probably a RB, FB, or TE

You make a good case for Banks.

Countertrey wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:my 2 cents:

WR
Tana
Gaffney
AAA
Paul
Hankerson
(Maybe one more, but doubtful)

KR/PR
Banks

Banks is just too damned dangerous a returner to cast asside. he makes the team as a KR/PR and isn't counted on to be a WR. His big play ability is something the Skins have not had in decades!

He makes the team just like a snapper, a kicker and a punter. You use 4 roster spots on ST and the other 49 for the rest! That gives you 24 spots for offense and 24 for defense and one more to put where ever.

numbers at each spot on O:

QB -3
RB - 3
FB - 1
OL - 9
TE - 3
WR - 5

Numbers for D:

DL - 7
LB - 8
CB - 5
S - 4

That leaves one extra person, probably a RB, FB, or TE

You make a good case for Banks.

Actually, Banks is making a good case for Banks...

die cowboys die wrote:i honestly won't be rooting for him anyway, as he should be spending the rest of his life in prison. Did we forget that he KILLED somebody through his own selfish irresponsible actions? There is no excuse for drinking and driving.

The Hogster wrote:Kelly makes me want to vomit. He's been on the stationery bike for 8 straight practices, and his last MRI was negative.

The dude just doesn't want to play. Cut him. Good riddance.

frankcal20 wrote:Don't be shocked to see Kelly on the PUP for 6 weeks if he's still nicked up next week. Cheap and has upside.

There's been a lot of PUP list references in the news today so I thought I'd dust off some clarification of one of the most misunderstood eligibility rules in the NFL.

First and foremost, there are two PUP lists.

The PUP list that you may have seen in today's news stories refers to the 'Active PUP' list.

The Active PUP is for players that have some form of injury that will prevent them from starting training camp.

If placed on Active PUP, a player can rehab and participate in team meetings but cannot practice.

A player has to be placed on Active PUP before he begins training camp, so that's why you're seeing the stories popping up now.

A player on Active PUP can be removed from the list at any time during camp.

A player on Active PUP counts against the league mandated roster limit (currently 80).

And one of the most important rules, a player must be on Active PUP in order to be considered for Reserve PUP.

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.

Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.

Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.

Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.

If a player is activated off the Reserve PUP following Week 6, a roster move is required to make room.

frankcal20 wrote:

There's been a lot of PUP list references in the news today so I thought I'd dust off some clarification of one of the most misunderstood eligibility rules in the NFL.

First and foremost, there are two PUP lists.

The PUP list that you may have seen in today's news stories refers to the 'Active PUP' list.

The Active PUP is for players that have some form of injury that will prevent them from starting training camp.

If placed on Active PUP, a player can rehab and participate in team meetings but cannot practice.

A player has to be placed on Active PUP before he begins training camp, so that's why you're seeing the stories popping up now.

A player on Active PUP can be removed from the list at any time during camp.

A player on Active PUP counts against the league mandated roster limit (currently 80).

And one of the most important rules, a player must be on Active PUP in order to be considered for Reserve PUP.

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.

Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.

Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.

Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.

If a player is activated off the Reserve PUP following Week 6, a roster move is required to make room.

Red_One43 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Don't be shocked to see Kelly on the PUP for 6 weeks if he's still nicked up next week. Cheap and has upside.

Kelly is not elgible for the PUP. He has already practiced with the team. Once they practice, they are ineligible.

Red_One43 wrote:Only LaRon and Kareem are eligible for the Reserve PUP list.

frankcal20 wrote:Hmmm I don't think so. Kelly was eligible for the PUP last year when he injured his knee/hamstring in preseason practice last year but coach put him on the IR. I could be wrong but you may want to double check that with the preseason rules. I think he's fine to go on PUP.

The Hogster wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Hmmm I don't think so. Kelly was eligible for the PUP last year when he injured his knee/hamstring in preseason practice last year but coach put him on the IR. I could be wrong but you may want to double check that with the preseason rules. I think he's fine to go on PUP.

He wasn't eligible for PUP. That's why Shanahan was pi$$ed. Kelly loafed around and never healed during training camp. As a result, they had to put him on IR for a Hamstring injury because he couldn't go on PUP.

6. Terrence Austin should be in the lead for a roster spot after having yet another solid showing. He allows Washington to have a dependable returner, if Brandon Banks can’t play. Or if they want to limit him. Austin’s footwork consistently allows him to slip the first defender on punt returns. And it allows him to create separation on pass routes, as it did on an 11-yard catch in which he started out and darted back inside. But his blocking needs improvement. This is where his size, or lack of it, works against him. Austin’s poor blocking led to two bad runs; in this offense that needs to change. On a Shaun Droughn run to the left, Austin got shoved back and lost his man, who made the tackle (while also committing a facemask penalty). Austin lost his block on another Droughn run later in the half, allowing the defense to pinch the hole.

7. Can’t say that I liked Jabar Gaffney’s block attempt on a second and 10 run in the first quarter. Just didn’t put much into the block and it prevented a possible decent run. Had another one later where it wasn’t good.

he (Helu) received a good block from Leonard Hankerson, who has a knack for knowing when to let go of his man to avoid a potential hold. Hold the jokes about his hands here.

12. Hankerson’s issue isn’t his hands; it’s his eyes. I know that’s been pounded to death but it’s true. On his drop Friday, his head turned to the right as soon as the ball hit his hands. He does this a lot; one of his catches resulted in the same thing. He just held onto it this time. But on his first catch after the drop, he did not turn his head until he had caught the ball.

13. Saw Niles Paul put on a terrific block, running inside. Wasn’t a crackback. But what I liked is that he continued to drive his man; you don’t always see a receiver finish that way. I wasn’t wowed by his returns; just didn’t show much explosiveness. I think his best bet is as a cover man on special teams. I’d like to see him return some kickoffs; that might be more his style. On punt returns, you need to make the first guy miss and he hasn’t done so. Still think he's a practice squad type.

With all of the Keims criticism of receiver blocking, he cites Paul for blocking and thinks he is PS type. I think that Paul is the type you want to get your run game going.

About Paul as a PR returner. I wasn't impressed. I would also like to see him as a KOR. Austin was good as a returner, but I agree with Keims use of the word "dependable."

I put Austin ahead of Stallworth after the Colt game because of Austin being a dependable returner, but I am curious on about how Stallworth grades on blocking. If he grades higher, I will relook my switch.

At this point, I have to wonder if he will ever return to the Redskins.

It's not that the foot injury is all that serious. In time, it should heal with rest. However, if and when Kelly is healthy enough to return to practice the Redskins will have a decision to make.

They could let him practice, play in any preseason games that may remain, and give him one last shot at making the roster. He was having a solid camp before the injury.

However, the Redskins would be taking a risk by letting Kelly back on the field. If Kelly gets hurt again--a distinct possibility given his history--the Redskins could be liable for his entire salary for the 2011 season.

The rational course for the Redskins might be to release Kelly as soon as the doctors clear him to practice. That way the team eliminates its exposure to liability for Kelly's salary and he can move on and perhaps attempt to catch on with another team.