WR..... Who stays? Who goes? who comes back?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:45 pm

Did not practice

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:32 pm

Countertrey wrote:Kelly is not done yet... but, he needs to get on the field pretty quickly.

While the fat lady hasn't sung, she IS warming up :!:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:46 pm

yupchagee wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Kelly is not done yet... but, he needs to get on the field pretty quickly.

While the fat lady hasn't sung, she IS warming up

AND....

She's about ready to hit the stage too

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:10 pm

yupchagee wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Kelly is not done yet... but, he needs to get on the field pretty quickly.

While the fat lady hasn't sung, she IS warming up

LOL. I have to agree with you on this. I really like Kelly, but he can't stay away from getting hurt.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:22 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:my 2 cents:

WR
Tana
Gaffney
AAA
Paul
Hankerson
(Maybe one more, but doubtful)

KR/PR
Banks

Banks is just too damned dangerous a returner to cast asside. he makes the team as a KR/PR and isn't counted on to be a WR. His big play ability is something the Skins have not had in decades!

He makes the team just like a snapper, a kicker and a punter. You use 4 roster spots on ST and the other 49 for the rest! That gives you 24 spots for offense and 24 for defense and one more to put where ever.

numbers at each spot on O:

QB -3
RB - 3
FB - 1
OL - 9
TE - 3
WR - 5

Numbers for D:

DL - 7
LB - 8
CB - 5
S - 4

That leaves one extra person, probably a RB, FB, or TE

You make a good case for Banks.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:12 am

Aside from Santana, I think i might really rather keep any promising youngster over any of the vets. It's about time this team started really developing some young talent. Would suck to cut someone like Austin and watch him end up having a solid career elsewhere, to try and squeeze a healthy productive season out of Stallworth-- i honestly won't be rooting for him anyway, as he should be spending the rest of his life in prison. Did we forget that he KILLED somebody through his own selfish irresponsible actions? There is no excuse for drinking and driving.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:20 am

die cowboys die wrote:Aside from Santana, I think i might really rather keep any promising youngster over any of the vets. It's about time this team started really developing some young talent. Would suck to cut someone like Austin and watch him end up having a solid career elsewhere, to try and squeeze a healthy productive season out of Stallworth-- i honestly won't be rooting for him anyway, as he should be spending the rest of his life in prison. Did we forget that he KILLED somebody through his own selfish irresponsible actions? There is no excuse for drinking and driving.

Stallworth thing again? How about pedestrians cross where they're supposed to? Not saying drinking & driving isn't wrong, but it's on CAMERA that the guy jumped a fence/rail and tried to cross the street.

Back to topic.. I agree we need to give these youngsters a chance, especially when we have a waste of a player on our roster like Kelly. I'm excited to see how Gaffney does though, he has great hands and is pretty clutch. Armstrong is definitely a keeper and Austin is soooo dag gone fast. Hankerson looks like a rookie but I think he'll improve with some gametime experience.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:53 am

Red_One43 wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:my 2 cents:

WR
Tana
Gaffney
AAA
Paul
Hankerson
(Maybe one more, but doubtful)

KR/PR
Banks

Banks is just too damned dangerous a returner to cast asside. he makes the team as a KR/PR and isn't counted on to be a WR. His big play ability is something the Skins have not had in decades!

He makes the team just like a snapper, a kicker and a punter. You use 4 roster spots on ST and the other 49 for the rest! That gives you 24 spots for offense and 24 for defense and one more to put where ever.

numbers at each spot on O:

QB -3
RB - 3
FB - 1
OL - 9
TE - 3
WR - 5

Numbers for D:

DL - 7
LB - 8
CB - 5
S - 4

That leaves one extra person, probably a RB, FB, or TE

You make a good case for Banks.

Actually, Banks is making a good case for Banks... :wink:

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:31 pm

Will there be a special Hos Net thread to commemorate the last Vinny-signed player when he gets dropped?

(Drafted or signed...hmmm)

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:my 2 cents:

WR
Tana
Gaffney
AAA
Paul
Hankerson
(Maybe one more, but doubtful)

KR/PR
Banks

Banks is just too damned dangerous a returner to cast asside. he makes the team as a KR/PR and isn't counted on to be a WR. His big play ability is something the Skins have not had in decades!

He makes the team just like a snapper, a kicker and a punter. You use 4 roster spots on ST and the other 49 for the rest! That gives you 24 spots for offense and 24 for defense and one more to put where ever.

numbers at each spot on O:

QB -3
RB - 3
FB - 1
OL - 9
TE - 3
WR - 5

Numbers for D:

DL - 7
LB - 8
CB - 5
S - 4

That leaves one extra person, probably a RB, FB, or TE

You make a good case for Banks.

Actually, Banks is making a good case for Banks...

+1

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:23 pm

Kelly makes me want to vomit. He's been on the stationery bike for 8 straight practices, and his last MRI was negative.

The dude just doesn't want to play. Cut him. Good riddance.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:46 pm

die cowboys die wrote:i honestly won't be rooting for him anyway, as he should be spending the rest of his life in prison. Did we forget that he KILLED somebody through his own selfish irresponsible actions? There is no excuse for drinking and driving.

Ugh, we really have to go through this again? Last time this argument was utterly obliterated. Time to leave it be, IMO . . .

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:48 pm

The Hogster wrote:Kelly makes me want to vomit. He's been on the stationery bike for 8 straight practices, and his last MRI was negative.

The dude just doesn't want to play. Cut him. Good riddance.

Yep. Unless he shows something big very soon, we shouldn't even keep him on the roster till the end of camp. Even if he shows something big, at this point I'd say his entire history works against him to the point where we shouldn't keep him. We have enough talent, including young talent, at WR that we just don't need him.

Let him stand on the sideline wearing some other team's sweatpants. Get rid of him.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:06 pm

After the Colt Game

1. Moss - Starter
2. Gaffney - Starter
3. Armstrong
4. Hank - high upside - still raw
5. Austin - best returner outside of Banks and has receiver skills
6. Paul - Can't risk him going through waivers

Banks - IR
Robinson - PS
Stallworth - Hate to do it, but numbers and youth get him
Kelly - cut - unless he comes back from the dead in the Ravens game. If that happens - I will deal with that then - but until that possibility - he is cut

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:54 am

Don't be shocked to see Kelly on the PUP for 6 weeks if he's still nicked up next week. Cheap and has upside.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:07 am

frankcal20 wrote:Don't be shocked to see Kelly on the PUP for 6 weeks if he's still nicked up next week. Cheap and has upside.

Kelly is not elgible for the PUP. He has already practiced with the team. Once they practice, they are ineligible.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:15 am

Hmmm I don't think so. Kelly was eligible for the PUP last year when he injured his knee/hamstring in preseason practice last year but coach put him on the IR. I could be wrong but you may want to double check that with the preseason rules. I think he's fine to go on PUP.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:19 am

There's been a lot of PUP list references in the news today so I thought I'd dust off some clarification of one of the most misunderstood eligibility rules in the NFL.

First and foremost, there are two PUP lists.

The PUP list that you may have seen in today's news stories refers to the 'Active PUP' list.

The Active PUP is for players that have some form of injury that will prevent them from starting training camp.

If placed on Active PUP, a player can rehab and participate in team meetings but cannot practice.

A player has to be placed on Active PUP before he begins training camp, so that's why you're seeing the stories popping up now.

A player on Active PUP can be removed from the list at any time during camp.

A player on Active PUP counts against the league mandated roster limit (currently 80).

And one of the most important rules, a player must be on Active PUP in order to be considered for Reserve PUP.

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.

Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.

Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.

Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.

If a player is activated off the Reserve PUP following Week 6, a roster move is required to make room.

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1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:09 am

frankcal20 wrote:
There's been a lot of PUP list references in the news today so I thought I'd dust off some clarification of one of the most misunderstood eligibility rules in the NFL.

First and foremost, there are two PUP lists.

The PUP list that you may have seen in today's news stories refers to the 'Active PUP' list.

The Active PUP is for players that have some form of injury that will prevent them from starting training camp.

If placed on Active PUP, a player can rehab and participate in team meetings but cannot practice.

A player has to be placed on Active PUP before he begins training camp, so that's why you're seeing the stories popping up now.

A player on Active PUP can be removed from the list at any time during camp.

A player on Active PUP counts against the league mandated roster limit (currently 80).

And one of the most important rules, a player must be on Active PUP in order to be considered for Reserve PUP.

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.

Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.

Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.

Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.

If a player is activated off the Reserve PUP following Week 6, a roster move is required to make room.

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He started training camp so he can't go on the active PUP, he can only get on the reserve PUP if he moves there from the Active PUP

Red_One43 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Don't be shocked to see Kelly on the PUP for 6 weeks if he's still nicked up next week. Cheap and has upside.

Kelly is not elgible for the PUP. He has already practiced with the team. Once they practice, they are ineligible.

Once they practice they can't go on the pup list, it's run with the big dogs or get run out of town

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:05 am

Only LaRon and Kareem are eligible for the Reserve PUP list.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:34 am

Red_One43 wrote:Only LaRon and Kareem are eligible for the Reserve PUP list.

And not even LL any more, since he has been removed from the PuP list (not sure if he has practiced yet but he will tomorrow.)

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:54 am

frankcal20 wrote:Hmmm I don't think so. Kelly was eligible for the PUP last year when he injured his knee/hamstring in preseason practice last year but coach put him on the IR. I could be wrong but you may want to double check that with the preseason rules. I think he's fine to go on PUP.

He wasn't eligible for PUP. That's why Shanahan was pi$$ed. Kelly loafed around and never healed during training camp. As a result, they had to put him on IR for a Hamstring injury because he couldn't go on PUP.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:37 pm

The Hogster wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Hmmm I don't think so. Kelly was eligible for the PUP last year when he injured his knee/hamstring in preseason practice last year but coach put him on the IR. I could be wrong but you may want to double check that with the preseason rules. I think he's fine to go on PUP.

He wasn't eligible for PUP. That's why Shanahan was pi$$ed. Kelly loafed around and never healed during training camp. As a result, they had to put him on IR for a Hamstring injury because he couldn't go on PUP.

Right. I remember that vividly. I won't be surprised if he is cut to get down to 80 this week.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:43 pm

Tale of the tape: Redskins offense
By: John Keim | Examiner Staff Writer

Excerpts on his take of the receivers

6. Terrence Austin should be in the lead for a roster spot after having yet another solid showing. He allows Washington to have a dependable returner, if Brandon Banks can’t play. Or if they want to limit him. Austin’s footwork consistently allows him to slip the first defender on punt returns. And it allows him to create separation on pass routes, as it did on an 11-yard catch in which he started out and darted back inside. But his blocking needs improvement. This is where his size, or lack of it, works against him. Austin’s poor blocking led to two bad runs; in this offense that needs to change. On a Shaun Droughn run to the left, Austin got shoved back and lost his man, who made the tackle (while also committing a facemask penalty). Austin lost his block on another Droughn run later in the half, allowing the defense to pinch the hole.

7. Can’t say that I liked Jabar Gaffney’s block attempt on a second and 10 run in the first quarter. Just didn’t put much into the block and it prevented a possible decent run. Had another one later where it wasn’t good.

he (Helu) received a good block from Leonard Hankerson, who has a knack for knowing when to let go of his man to avoid a potential hold. Hold the jokes about his hands here.

12. Hankerson’s issue isn’t his hands; it’s his eyes. I know that’s been pounded to death but it’s true. On his drop Friday, his head turned to the right as soon as the ball hit his hands. He does this a lot; one of his catches resulted in the same thing. He just held onto it this time. But on his first catch after the drop, he did not turn his head until he had caught the ball.

13. Saw Niles Paul put on a terrific block, running inside. Wasn’t a crackback. But what I liked is that he continued to drive his man; you don’t always see a receiver finish that way. I wasn’t wowed by his returns; just didn’t show much explosiveness. I think his best bet is as a cover man on special teams. I’d like to see him return some kickoffs; that might be more his style. On punt returns, you need to make the first guy miss and he hasn’t done so. Still think he's a practice squad type.

With all of the Keims criticism of receiver blocking, he cites Paul for blocking and thinks he is PS type. I think that Paul is the type you want to get your run game going.

About Paul as a PR returner. I wasn't impressed. I would also like to see him as a KOR. Austin was good as a returner, but I agree with Keims use of the word "dependable."

I put Austin ahead of Stallworth after the Colt game because of Austin being a dependable returner, but I am curious on about how Stallworth grades on blocking. If he grades higher, I will relook my switch.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl ... z1Vh4CzvHV

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:40 pm

Have we seen the last of Malcolm Kelly?

At this point, I have to wonder if he will ever return to the Redskins.

It's not that the foot injury is all that serious. In time, it should heal with rest. However, if and when Kelly is healthy enough to return to practice the Redskins will have a decision to make.

They could let him practice, play in any preseason games that may remain, and give him one last shot at making the roster. He was having a solid camp before the injury.

However, the Redskins would be taking a risk by letting Kelly back on the field. If Kelly gets hurt again--a distinct possibility given his history--the Redskins could be liable for his entire salary for the 2011 season.

The rational course for the Redskins might be to release Kelly as soon as the doctors clear him to practice. That way the team eliminates its exposure to liability for Kelly's salary and he can move on and perhaps attempt to catch on with another team.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... kelly.html