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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cleg wrote:Guys - the Redskins won the game.

Doesn't matter, people are thirsting for blood. It's pitiful.

Did someone say...blood?

1niksder wrote:Can anyone name any Redskins D-lineman that brought their "A game" Sunday night?

I can't either

I can't either - but I do think that Haynesworth is not playing as well as he can because he's not in as good a shape as he said he would be

I'm sure that none of the other DL are in great shape either at this time BUT they were here for OTAs and they have made every effort to be able to play

the fat slob is just a little behind (actually it's a lot of behind)

SkinsJock wrote:

1niksder wrote:Can anyone name any Redskins D-lineman that brought their "A game" Sunday night?

I can't either

I can't either - but I do think that Haynesworth is not playing as well as he can because he's not in as good a shape as he said he would be

I'm sure that none of the other DL are in great shape either at this time BUT they were here for OTAs and they have made every effort to be able to play

the fat slob is just a little behind (actually it's a lot of behind)

and do any of the other D-lineman make half the money Haynesworth makes?

If you added up all the salaries of the D-lineman on the team would you equal the money Hayneworth's been paid so far?

I think it is reasonable to expect more performace from Haynesworth every play, every week, every season. I think the only reason Shanahan hasn't cut him is the hope that he will play at least good enough that some other team will trade something decent for him.

fleetus wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

1niksder wrote:Can anyone name any Redskins D-lineman that brought their "A game" Sunday night?

I can't either

I can't either - but I do think that Haynesworth is not playing as well as he can because he's not in as good a shape as he said he would be

I'm sure that none of the other DL are in great shape either at this time BUT they were here for OTAs and they have made every effort to be able to play

the fat slob is just a little behind (actually it's a lot of behind)

and do any of the other D-lineman make half the money Haynesworth makes?

If you added up all the salaries of the D-lineman on the team would you equal the money Hayneworth's been paid so far?

I think it is reasonable to expect more performace from Haynesworth every play, every week, every season. I think the only reason Shanahan hasn't cut him is the hope that he will play at least good enough that some other team will trade something decent for him.

He may not have been in shape, he may have been given a conditioning test that just wasn't that easy to pass, or when he said he'd be in shape he meant he'd simply be better on the eyes (after his weight loss... OK he still looks like a tub of lard, so that can't be it). You say the other D-linemen aren't in great shape but were here.... what were they doing while they were here if they weren't getting in shape?

What the other d-lineman make is debatable because most of the good ones were moved to LB.

As far as stats go Golston was the only DL with more tackles than AH and fat Al had just as many as the guy that plays ahead of him at NT

He's the second most productive DL on the team right now regardless how you feel about him, wanting him traded might make one wonder how you really feel about the Skins

1niksder wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:
I'm sure that none of the other DL are in great shape either at this time BUT they were here for OTAs and they have made every effort to be able to play

You say the other D-linemen aren't in great shape but were here.... what were they doing while they were here if they weren't getting in shape?

just to clarify - I think the linemen that attended OTAs are in pretty good shape but, this being the first game they are not in "great" shape yet

I think that Shanahan feels that Haynesworth's conditioning is behind the other linemen here because he did not attend OTAs AND he did not arrive in anywhere close to the type of condition he said he would be in

I love the Redskins and hope that Haynesworth gets to be a huge help for the defense THEN, as soon as anyone makes a trade offer that Shanahan & Allen like I hope they trade the fat slob

I'm happy with Haynesworth playing on our defense BUT I'll be really happy when he's not playing on our defense

SkinsJock wrote:just to clarify - I think the linemen that attended OTAs are in pretty good shape but, this being the first game they are not in "great" shape yet

So why should AH be in "great" after all it's the first game.

SkinsJock wrote:I think that Shanahan feels that Haynesworth's conditioning is behind the other linemen here because he did not attend OTAs AND he did not arrive in anywhere close to the type of condition he said he would be in

I think he's getting there and that's why he's playing. Then again Chris Wilson only got one snap Sunday night and Alexander was in for more than 40.

SkinsJock wrote:I love the Redskins and hope that Haynesworth gets to be a huge help for the defense THEN, as soon as anyone makes a trade offer that Shanahan & Allen like I hope they trade the fat slob

Haynesworth will be playing both NT and DE on this defense. At this point he is closer to being in "football" shape than Ma'ake Kemoeatu so it is what it is. Why Bryant isn't playing is beyond me. I believe the Titans made a offer for AH and the Skins counter with something they knew they couldn't get. that sounds like they don't want to trade him.

SkinsJock wrote:I'm happy with Haynesworth playing on our defense BUT I'll be really happy when he's not playing on our defense

That's fair.
Remember unless he's willing to give back $16 Mil after this season he'll more than likely be here until after 2012


There hasn't been a single AH rumor today, so CLL may get his wish and this thread will die.



I'm going to make it a slow death

1niksder wrote:So why should AH be in "great" after all it's the first game...

What Jock is saying seems pretty obvious. AH isn't where AH should be if he just cared. He wasn't injured, he isn't a role player and he is an order of magnitude better paid then guys you're comparing him to. He played a third of the plays and it's because of his own choices. Collinsworth was talking about how all players run down in their first game because they aren't used to it. But he played in...one....third...of the plays. One out of three. And it's not because he was being "punished" it's because that's what he was in condition to play. Jock was being pretty clear. If you disagree, address it directly, don't just not get what he's pretty obviously saying.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

1niksder wrote:So why should AH be in "great" after all it's the first game...

What Jock is saying seems pretty obvious. AH isn't where AH should be if he just cared. He wasn't injured, he isn't a role player and he is an order of magnitude better paid then guys you're comparing him to. He played a third of the plays and it's because of his own choices. Collinsworth was talking about how all players run down in their first game because they aren't used to it. But he played in...one....third...of the plays. One out of three. And it's not because he was being "punished" it's because that's what he was in condition to play. Jock was being pretty clear. If you disagree, address it directly, don't just not get what he's pretty obviously saying.

All the defensive lineman rotated, only eight dressed, 3 were NT you tell me why he only played a third of the downs.

He may not be injured but he is playing a position that is new to him and as his coach said

“We had most of our linemen play between 15 and 30 plays, and we rotated six of them,” Shanahan said. “Talking about Albert, Albert played hard. He’s getting more comfortable in the 3-4 scheme and every time he takes a rep, you hope he keeps getting better and better, but he did play hard.”

FTR:

1. You only know what is reported so you don't know if he cares or not. That's just your opinion, everyone has one. I'm of the opinion that if he didn't care his teammates wouldn't be so supportive of him.
2. He is a role player and it's a new role
3. He was injured, they just never said what it was.
4. He was paid way too much but that's what Danny does

I've address what he has been saying if you don't get it that's on you.
I also think SJ has made his point pretty clear and didn't need your lack of input.
As far as I can tell Jock thinks AH is a overpaid fat slob that he wish would just be gone, but wants him to earn the money that he took. I'm in full agreement with all of that.

When the Redskins host the Texans on Sunday, defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth could be deactivated, according to Jay Glazer of FOX.

Based on Haynesworth is listed as questionable with an ankle injury that limited him in practice this week.


Although one team source said it is "probably true" Haynesworth will be inactive, another said nothing had been decided as of about 1:30.

1niksder wrote:All the defensive lineman rotated, only eight dressed, 3 were NT you tell me why he only played a third of the downs

It's a valid point nik, but I have a hard time thinking with what we paid him the expectation was just to be one of the guys in the rotation. Then again it wasn't to play "every" down either. So what's the right balance? I think it's somewhere in between.

And why? Listing other players who for whatever reason aren't 100% either misses that they were there doing everything they can to be ready, and AH did everything he could to avoid it. He even got the muscle condition which is specifically caused by not being in proper condition, which is a big part of what the OTA's are about. The other big part regards your point on he's learning a new position, he'd be a lot further along if he'd been there, right?

I'd have a lot better attitude if even if selfish AH centered speak he'd said this isn't so bad and he's going to work harder. But he already told us he plans to slack off again next year and I for one am offended.

Haynesworth is inactive according to Fox Sports.

Grant Paulsen, via his Twitter feed, says he doesn't even see him on the sidelines

Fios wrote:Grant Paulsen, via his Twitter feed, says he doesn't even see him on the sidelines

Here's the list of in-actives according to a guy who may or may not have knowledge of the situation.

He's being rested

LoL, we can't win without him! hahaha

Thought I would bring this thread back because it seems like we're in for a full week of Haynesworth talk. Sounds like he came to the game late and was benched. He went into the locker room and threw a tantrum. There's more to the story, but the reporter did not want to go public with it yet until confirming with a couple players. I think this may be it.

We need to get rid of this guy. Put him on IR for god's sake

chiefhog44 wrote:Thought I would bring this thread back because it seems like we're in for a full week of Haynesworth talk. Sounds like he came to the game late and was benched. He went into the locker room and threw a tantrum. There's more to the story, but the reporter did not want to go public with it yet until confirming with a couple players. I think this may be it.

We need to get rid of this guy. Put him on IR for god's sake

Sad big Al has so much talent, but to much I don't care attitude.

The disaster that is the Redskins today but Big Al is just one of the pieces.

Sorry, it was practice that he was late for and threw a fit this morning in the locker room before the game after he was benched.

man oh man - I don't know what to say about this guy - he is worthless

I was hoping that we could get something for him but now I could not care less

because of how this guy has behaved - I would be happy if we never see this fat slob play another down in the NFL

No excuses but wasn't he only late for 1 minute? When your defense is ranked a$$ la$t how do you keep doing this??

The Hogster wrote:No excuses but wasn't he only late for 1 minute? When your defense is ranked a$$ la$t how do you keep doing this??

doing what? Continuing to undermine the coaches and not acting professional?

The report is that he was yelling in the locker room that he was "F-ing 2 minutes late", so it was probably closer to 5 minutes. What difference does it make? It seems as though EVERYONE except Albert can show up on time. Shannahan is bringing some structure to a team that had ZERO over the past 2 years. I can't tell, but are you in Haynesworth's corner??? Please tell me you're not.

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan is bringing some structure to a team that had ZERO over the past 2 years.

Big Baby Al aside, this makes me giggle. Structure? What kind of structure are you talking about? You mean a team with a good offense? No, our defense last year wasn't good enough, so now we have the worst in the league. A good offense.? No, a historically bad 3rd down offense, and a team that doesn't score. How about a competitive team? No, we're not even that.

I was a big supporter once, but I can't for the life of me see as this season has gone on, what he has done to help the Redskins out?

PulpExposure wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan is bringing some structure to a team that had ZERO over the past 2 years.

Big Baby Al aside, this makes me giggle. Structure? What kind of structure are you talking about? You mean a team with a good offense? No, our defense last year wasn't good enough, so now we have the worst in the league. A good offense.? No, a historically bad 3rd down offense, and a team that doesn't score. How about a competitive team? No, we're not even that.

I was a big supporter once, but I can't for the life of me see as this season has gone on, what he has done to help the Redskins out?

Big supporter once? You make it sounds like that was eon's ago. What, your view has changed from two months ago? Talk about short sighted. Shannahan hasn't even been here for a full season. Ah whatever. I don't care to tell you the truth. If you don't support him anymore, that's fine by me. Let's get another coach in here this offseason, and blow it up again.

I guess I believe, as most football people do, that Shanny and Bruce are the right people and they need time. I guess I want this to work, because I think this may be the last stop for me, and I'm guessing for many other fans as well.

It looks like this is the season when Shanahan throws away the players who don't fit. Gibbs did the same thing the first season back, and the team went 6 - 10. They went to the playoffs the second year.

Haynesworth is a talented guy who harms the team. He'll be gone.

chiefhog44 wrote:Big supporter once? You make it sounds like that was eon's ago. What, your view has changed from two months ago? Talk about short sighted. Shannahan hasn't even been here for a full season. Ah whatever. I don't care to tell you the truth. If you don't support him anymore, that's fine by me. Let's get another coach in here this offseason, and blow it up again.

I guess I believe, as most football people do, that Shanny and Bruce are the right people and they need time. I guess I want this to work, because I think this may be the last stop for me, and I'm guessing for many other fans as well.

The time from when they were hired to now does seem like eons ago. My issue is that this team is not even competitive anymore. 2 of the past 3 games, the Skins have been absolutely torched by NFC East opponents. This team lacks talent throughout the roster; can you name a position that you would consider a position of strength (besides perhaps TE)?

More problematic, I'm not sure that's something that will be rectified. The Skins, as always, do not have a full draft next year to help rebuild. More damning, the evidence to date shows that the acquisitions that Shanahan and Allen have made are not positive. They've made trades that have robbed the team of important draft picks, yet have yielded very little in return. The free agent pickups they made were wastes of money and time. And the trades (for draft picks) and pickups show that Shanahan isn't interested in fixing this thing from the get-go; he wants to win, and win now (else why would you trade 2 very valuable picks for a 34 year old QB)?

And the talent we have isn't fitting in the systems that Shanahan has chosen to run. The 3-4 has been a disaster here; and on offense, it's not much better. The zone blocking system is the no-zone blocking system; the offensive line is giving up more sacks than last year, and the Redskins cannot muster even a mediocre running game. To me, one hallmark of a good coach is adaptability; when the talent doesn't fit the system, you fit the system to the talent. That's just not happening here.

I'm struggling to think of a positive; what evidence do you have that Shanahan is working out here at all? It's not like this team is getting better (as it did under Schottenheimer). It's getting worse. And it's not as if they're using this time to groom young players...as the Redskins essentially have none.

Please, tell me why I should remain optimistic about Shanahan, where to my eyes, nothing he has done to date has worked out.