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brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

fleetus wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

A. I wasn't for Haynesworth, not for that much

B. McNabb didn't play 14 complete games last year, just played in 14 games. Unless I'm mistaken Kolb played in at least 4 games.

brad7686 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

A. I wasn't for Haynesworth, not for that much

B. McNabb didn't play 14 complete games last year, just played in 14 games. Unless I'm mistaken Kolb played in at least 4 games.

Kolb played in 5 games and started two.

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

Of course conveniently omitted is the fact that in the three years prior, McNabb played in 15, 9, and 10 games, and that in 10 years as a starter, he's played 5 complete seasons.

Unless you're one of the people that think the "injury bug" is something a player can kick in his 30s, the idea that McNabb's relatively unprecedented run of good health is going to continue with Stephon Heyer blocking for him is pretty hilarious.

brad7686 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

A. I wasn't for Haynesworth, not for that much

B. McNabb didn't play 14 complete games last year, just played in 14 games. Unless I'm mistaken Kolb played in at least 4 games.

You keep plugging away at it. Maybe you'll find he shaved a couple strokes during golf last year too. Keep up the good fight. There''s nothing left to say but the deal is done, live with it or root for another team. Now way we can truly know what will happen until the season starts. You can hope for bad, or hope for good. I believe Mcnabb will do more for us in 2010 and 2011 than any player available at 37. Period.

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

A. I wasn't for Haynesworth, not for that much

B. McNabb didn't play 14 complete games last year, just played in 14 games. Unless I'm mistaken Kolb played in at least 4 games.

You keep plugging away at it. Maybe you'll find he shaved a couple strokes during golf last year too. Keep up the good fight. There''s nothing left to say but the deal is done, live with it or root for another team. Now way we can truly know what will happen until the season starts. You can hope for bad, or hope for good. I believe Mcnabb will do more for us in 2010 and 2011 than any player available at 37. Period.

I was going to complain anyway, whether they drafted a qb in the first two rounds or traded for one. They aren't close enough at this point where upgrading from an average to good qb will help that much anyway. The big thing is that they have to stop trading picks at some point. And they also have to stop signing aging vets. Otherwise nothing will change. That is a fact.

The big thing is that they have to stop trading picks at some point. And they also have to stop signing aging vets. Otherwise nothing will change. That is a fact.

We agree again. I was going to post something similar but you just about it summed it up. I'll just add that the Eagles now have 11 picks in this year's draft, and we only have 5.

brad7686 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not looking forward to seeing 4+ games with Rex Grossman at the helm next year

So I guess you were against the Haynesworth signing too? He's a 12 per year guy.

In fact, last 3 season McNabb has 14, 16 and 14 games each year.

Haynesworth during the same span? 12, 14, 13

So, once again, you use incorrect facts in an effort to push negative claims. Seriously, you must have a personal dislike for McNabb. or a very narrow view of what the FO should do. Either Way, it seems silly to try so hard to distort the situation so that it looks bad.

A. I wasn't for Haynesworth, not for that much

B. McNabb didn't play 14 complete games last year, just played in 14 games. Unless I'm mistaken Kolb played in at least 4 games.

You keep plugging away at it. Maybe you'll find he shaved a couple strokes during golf last year too. Keep up the good fight. There''s nothing left to say but the deal is done, live with it or root for another team. Now way we can truly know what will happen until the season starts. You can hope for bad, or hope for good. I believe Mcnabb will do more for us in 2010 and 2011 than any player available at 37. Period.

I was going to complain anyway, whether they drafted a qb in the first two rounds or traded for one. They aren't close enough at this point where upgrading from an average to good qb will help that much anyway. The big thing is that they have to stop trading picks at some point. And they also have to stop signing aging vets. Otherwise nothing will change. That is a fact.

Fair enough. Hope you're wrong. It is early yet, but I have respect for Shanahan and Allen. Both have managed teams to the Super Bowl. I don't think they made this deal in the same way or for the same reasons that Danny and Vinny used to do.

ESPN poll: 75,000 votes so far. Pretty one sided too.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=1156

brad7686 wrote:They aren't close enough at this point where upgrading from an average to good qb will help that much anyway. The big thing is that they have to stop trading picks at some point. And they also have to stop signing aging vets. Otherwise nothing will change. That is a fact.

Amen.

Same old failed recipe. We would have figured it out by now but no.

Is it safe to say that once again we are KINGS OF THE OFFSEASON?

I love the references to "what the front office always does."

especially considering the front office hasn't even been in place for half a season, or even half an off-season yet.

Yeah, I hate Allen and Shanahan too! Those guys are always trading with the Eagles for McNabb! You'd think they'd learn, but nope, everytime I turn on the TV, there they are trading another 2nd round pick for the Eagles former franchise QB. Are they just stupid or what?

I mean, hell, they just traded a 2nd rounder for him yesterday, but when I got home from work today, there's CSN reporting that they traded another 2nd rounder for him again today!

Bob 0119 wrote:I love the references to "what the front office always does."

especially considering the front office hasn't even been in place for half a season, or even half an off-season yet.

Yeah, I hate Allen and Shanahan too! Those guys are always trading with the Eagles for McNabb! You'd think they'd learn, but nope, everytime I turn on the TV, there they are trading another 2nd round pick for the Eagles former franchise QB. Are they just stupid or what?

I mean, hell, they just traded a 2nd rounder for him yesterday, but when I got home from work today, there's CSN reporting that they traded another 2nd rounder for him again today!

By the Front Office, always doing things...I think it's pretty apparent who the poster was talking about....the Front Office is Daniel Snyder. It doesn't take Malcolm Gladwell to see the same formula continue to take place and draw the same conclusion. Not to say that Allen and Shanny don't have autonomy in their decisions, but if you have unlimited resources you tend not to make the same decisions as you would if you had to build and do things on a budget and therefore patiently, pragmatically, and well...smartly.

Do you really think this team is close or a Super Bowl contender like Deangelo Hall seems to think? I was a huge fan of their moves (and non-moves) right out of the gate. Don't overpay for Peppers, shore up the Guard position with Artis Hicks make a couple shrewd depth moves. But then came Larry Johnson and the McNabb moves.

I've seen all the stats on McNabb, but I've also watched him play. And I've never been impressed by his arm, leadership or durability. You can throw all the Elway and Favre comparisons you want, but those guys were heads and shoulders better players than McNabb was and is now on his best day. Even McNabb knows that. Worst of all, we saw what happened with Favre when he got thrown in a situation he wanted no part of...a lackluster effort and probably his worst season as a pro.

This team needed to build through the draft. This team needed to find guys who were going to be the foundation of a team for the future, not burn picks and pay top dollar for other team's cast-offs. This isn't a team of the future, it's the 2004 All-Pro Team.

brad7686 wrote:I was going to complain anyway

Yes, we know.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

RayNAustin wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

Ray, I'm on board. I think with a good draft pick, a trade or two, and a free agent pick-up or two, our line will be healed enough to repair through future drafts, and servicable to win many games this year.

It's pretty simple. We were going to get a QB in this years draft with likely the #1 or #2 pick. What we did was look at the QB's there and say - are any of them more valuable than McNabb. Well they removed all risk at that position by taking him vs. the other options. The major QB's are coming off injury, never thrown a pass in the NFL and didn't play in pro-style offenses either.

We have several draft picks, post June 1st cuts and the possibility of player/player trades available to shore up the line. I'm 100% ok with that as long as we're getting value. I don't like trading away ALL our draft picks because at some point, you must get younger but giving up a 2nd and a most likely 3rd for a Pro-bowl player at a very important position of need sounds like a good deal to me. But of course, we'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

I think the fanbase is so hot and cold about everything. "This is the best ever." "This is the worst ever." I'm just sitting back, waiting it out and will enjoy the ride because over the last 10 years, it's been pretty sick and can't get much worse.

With a new baby here too, my priorities have changed. Also, I think that NC State is going to kick some serious butt this year in the ACC if they can stay healthy so I'm hanging my hat on that.

frankcal20 wrote:It's pretty simple. We were going to get a QB in this years draft with likely the #1 or #2 pick. What we did was look at the QB's there and say - are any of them more valuable than McNabb. Well they removed all risk at that position by taking him vs. the other options. The major QB's are coming off injury, never thrown a pass in the NFL and didn't play in pro-style offenses either.

We have several draft picks, post June 1st cuts and the possibility of player/player trades available to shore up the line. I'm 100% ok with that as long as we're getting value. I don't like trading away ALL our draft picks because at some point, you must get younger but giving up a 2nd and a most likely 3rd for a Pro-bowl player at a very important position of need sounds like a good deal to me. But of course, we'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

I think the fanbase is so hot and cold about everything. "This is the best ever." "This is the worst ever." I'm just sitting back, waiting it out and will enjoy the ride because over the last 10 years, it's been pretty sick and can't get much worse.

Frank, I agree with everything except the June 1st cuts statement. With no salary cap there is absolutely no reason to wait until June 1st this year to cut a player.

Now some players might become available after the draft.

Joe Jacoby was an undrafted free agent back when the draft had 12 rounds!

The way I see it is that Bruce Allen said right from the start that he didn't believe it would take "years" to fix the team. Shannahan has looked at all of the film of Campbell and decided that the o-line "issues" were more of an excuse than a reason, and didn't feel comfortable moving forward with his reputation and success hanging on Jason's play.

You can bet that if Shannahan did feel Campbell was suited for his offense, and had all of this restrained talent, he'd not have pulled the trigger on McNabb, but would have been intent on drafting a QB to groom, and playing Campbell in the interim.

As for Sam Bradford .. he's no different than any of the other highly touted, top OBs coming out of college each year. They are ALL a 50/50 risk of bust or at least not living up to expectations ... Alex Smith, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, Jamarcus Russell .. just to name a few, and such revelations usually take a couple of years before you know one way or the other. For every Aaron Rogers, there are 4 or 5 that just never make it.

The best case scenario is to have a solid QB in place to lead the team while developing his replacement, and that is precisely what Shannahan is doing here. McNabb is a sure thing insofar as proven ability to play at a high level .. and he's at the age where there is still reasonable expectations for 3 + years or more of solid production .. as opposed to Favre who is 7 years older, and still had one of the best years of his career last year.

This is exciting news all the way around for us Redskin fans. We have a FO and Coach who believe they can win now, as well as build the team for the future along the way. And I agree with that assessment.

Think about how McNabb carried Philly for many years offensively, with very little help, weapons wise. D. Jackson came onto the scene and McNabb made him a standout star ... look for Santana to "Gain his lost step back" with a QB that can actually hit him down field, and watch how McNabb will teach the youngsters to look for the ball in places where they can make plays on it ... short back shoulder balls when coverage is deep, as one example. Campbell didn't possess that type of acumen as a QB.

You all nay sayers just watch how a QB that actually knows how to maintain vision downfield while scrambling to buy time will highlight the above average talent this team really has.

The Redskin offense that was a laughing stock over the past couple of years will now be in shape to challenge anyone, and be feared instead of laughed at and made to look foolish.

RayNAustin wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

Allen and Shanahan are new, of course, but Snyder is still around and the signing of Parker/LJ and the trade of McNabb have his fingerprints all over them. It's a complete lack of patience and unwillingness to go through a proper rebuilding process. This move might make us 2-3 games better in the short term, but in a few years we'll be back in the same situation we were just in, which is trying to find a qb for the future. We wont be consistently competitive until we stop buying other people's stars and start developing our own talent.

Here's what I see and why I'm not drunk on McNabb and what we've done so far-


Negatives:

1. These 1000 yard rushers are PREVIOUS thousand yard rushers. Portis (02-05, 07-08), Johnson(05-07), and Fast Willy(05-07). Portis is having a hard time staying healthy, and the other two have been cut from their previous team(s). I think making a point calling them 1000 yard rushers is a bit of a mislead.

2. The oline we have coupled with the picks we have available TODAY (I'm not speculating on what we don't have, I'm using the opinion base don TODAY'S facts) will be worse than McNabb has been behind and these 1000 yard rushers have rushed behind. I am not going to wave a magic wand and just ASS-U-ME that stuff will get done when I have a hard time finding the path that it gets done.

3. McNabb is a good QB, i'm not doubting this, but behind last year's line, JC was hit on 3 step drops. I'm not advocating for JC, it's a moot point and I know he'll be somewhere else week 1, but I have a hard time blaming JC for getting hit on 3 step drops. And JC is a longer term answer if he were to live up to his potential(my personal opinion and I'm not trying hi-jack).

4. I don't like to cherry pick stats, and that's what I feel is going on here. To compare McNabb to a FEW other QBs that have played well in their late 30s is statistically wrong. The ratio of QBs who play to 38 or 40 to QBs who play to ~35 is probably a little different. If that's the case, shouldn't Testeverde be setting the standard at 43? Kurt warner played 12 seasons in the NFL, so he started at 26. Elway played 16 seasons and was pretty durable. Joe Montana, 16 seasons, but the last 4 seasons combined, he only started 25 games. Steve Young, 15 seasons, but wasn't a full time started his first 7 seasons and his last season was only 3 games long. Jeff Garcia was a journeyman and between CFL and NFL, played 15 seasons. 7 of those seasons, he played 12 or less games. Anyone who thinks Favre is NOT a fluke needs to share what they're smokin. These examples why I don't think McNabb will be as solid of a mainstay as people suggest. And who's behind McNabb, who's healthy atm???? GROSSman.

Positives:

1. We have a new HC and a new o coord. I'm fairly certain that we'll have a better downfield game.

2. McNabb vs JC (all other variables removed) is a lopsided comparison for McNabb; he wins out every time. He has proven that with mediocre talent at his disposal (barring Westbrook), he can get the job done above and beyond what's expected from the talent pool available. If he can stand upright.

3. RB by committee by three past-prime RBs could pan out for the short term (1-2 years). I understand that not everything can be a long term and we need some stopgaps until we can address those long terms.

[quote="tribeofjudah"]not a fan of this news............[/quote

I just heard omg we got Mcnabb,,, wow i like the deal i hope we get three straight superbowls... So Mcnabb goes to the Hall as a Redskins.
This trade , aswell as the Haynesworth talks demonstrates that the Skins want the Rings- good moves..

CanesSkins26 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

fleetus wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

Allen and Shanahan are new, of course, but Snyder is still around and the signing of Parker/LJ and the trade of McNabb have his fingerprints all over them. It's a complete lack of patience and unwillingness to go through a proper rebuilding process. This move might make us 2-3 games better in the short term, but in a few years we'll be back in the same situation we were just in, which is trying to find a qb for the future. We wont be consistently competitive until we stop buying other people's stars and start developing our own talent.

I disagree ... a coach with a clue would have resulted in 2-3 games better LAST YEAR with the same talent.

Secondly, Neither Allen or Shannahan appear to be Vinny Cerrato to me. Shannahan's finger prints are all over this McNabb deal, because like most offensive coaches understand, the offense revolves around the QB..

That you "expect" that in a few years we'll be right back to where we started assumes that they do nothing over the next few years. An assumption I don't think holds water.

If you go back to the beginning, when Allen was first hired, he was asked "so do you expect this to be a multi-year rebuilding effort"? His response (facial) looked like .. "what is wrong with you .. are you nuts", but he simply said no.

I think the strategy being employed here is to cut the fat, and fill some holes in an uncapped year, and take those hits now while there is no immediate restrictions. We desperately needed a QB moving forward, and they got a good one that can start day one for this year's 2nd rounder, and a 3rd or 4th next year (which could even be a lockout year if no CBA is reached). This was a FREAKING STEAL, and Kolb had better turn out to be another Aaron Rogers or else Reid & Co. will be crucified.

I look for more pre-draft moves, which could include Campbell, Haynesworth, Landry, and maybe even Portis .. and potentially C.ey.

I could see some package, dealing a couple of players and next year's 2nd rounder to a team for their 1st round pick this year ... Campbell, Landry and a 2, for a 1 this year ... of Campbell -Cooley and a 2, allowing us to take a Tackle and a Safety in the 1st round this year. Then maybe another trade for an additional 0-lineman.

This type of move would shore up the most significant deficiencies across the board (even though I'd not want to see ey traded).

Remember, Parcells took Miami (3-13) to the playoffs the following year. And I think the Redskins have better talent than that team did.

You have to keep in mind that this was a COMPLETE COACHING DEBACLE with significant injuries piled on top last year. A devastated oline, a QB who just couldn't carry a team with play making ability ... and a Coach who needed a Bingo caller to come in and call plays (which actually showed measurable improvement). Zorn was a Vinny/Danny brain fart whose consequences were creating a 4-12 team out of a 9-7 team.

I think with Shannahan running the show, and McNabb running the plays, we'll have an offense capable of 10-6 or 11-5, if they can get the defense playing to the talent level we have right now.

Philly has taken a step backwards ... the Giants struggled last year .. Dallas relied on those weaknesses in the division to get to their level.

I predict that the Redskins are the wild card in the division THIS YEAR, with the potential of winning the division, and shocking everyone.

Look at the first half of 2008 before the collapse. It's wouldn't surprise me if 2010 produced a solid 11-5 Redskin team, and going deep in the playoffs.

redskins14ru wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:not a fan of this news............

I just heard omg we got Mcnabb,,, wow i like the deal i hope we get three straight superbowls... So Mcnabb goes to the Hall as a Redskins.
This trade , as well as the Haynesworth talks demonstrates that the Skins want the Rings- good moves..

we are better off today than we were a couple of weeks ago BUT we still have a ways to go

HOWEVER - the difference in having a QB like McNabb leading this franchise is huge - yes he will need some help but we were hoping that this franchise could be consistently competitive by 2012 - I think that is much more of a possibility by having someone like this as the "leader" on the field

we need to find a way to get the offense better here but this is a very good addition IMHO




btw - I totally disagree that anything that has happened regarding the players here in the past few months has had any involvement from Dan Snyder at all except to see that this is how it should have been done a long time ago - just keep in the background and enjoy the ride Dan - these guys are doing fine