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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:58 am
by SkinsFreak
DEHog wrote:Sorry SJ, but I’m confused?? You say we have great coaches and players but we won’t win because of the FO. How does the FO have anything to do with our success on the field outside of selecting the coaches and players?? Now don’t count me among those that think our front office is doing a good job. I’ve been a critic of our FO for a while, but I also acknowledge that it’s getting better. Although the pursuit of a QB in the off-season has me worried as to what they might do if Jason doesn’t have a good season this year. While I agree that the FO bares some of the responsibility for our lack of production on the field, I would differ in your opinion that we have great players and coaches, but the FO keeps us from wining. My beef is our history of trading picks, and signing high profile FA. Many on this board believe things are changing but there are a few things that must happen before I believe. First… they should allow Zorn to coach out his contract, if they feel Zorn is the guy then give him at least 3 years to prove it. Next, and this is a big one...It’s been my contention that Vinny is nothing more than a figurehead, but now many believe he is the GM and makes football decisions if that’s the case DS must hold him accountable and he must fire him before he fires any coach!

Great post, DE. This is the kind of objective view I agree with. DE is well known for his legitimate frustrations with the FO. Yet he's able to differentiate what responsibility lies with the FO and those that fall on the shoulders of the players and the coaches. The FO puts coaches on the sidelines and players on the field. Come Sunday afternoon, the FO can't do a whole hell of a lot to win the game... and isn't
directly responsible on Sundays when the team losses. The FO isn't without blame for certain mistakes, but let's keep it in perspective... much like DEHog has done with this post. Again, great post DE.
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:52 am
by SkinsFreak
SkinsJock wrote:we have incredibly talented players and coaches
SkinsJock wrote:unfortunately we have an owner and his cohort who can best be described as clowns
SkinsJock wrote:I do think we are better
SkinsJock wrote:we do not have a FO and that is a huge problem
Sorry SkinsJock... but it just appears you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say we have incredibly talented players and coaches and think we are better because of it. Well, that is a direct result of the recent work done by the FO you say we don't have and constantly criticize with insults and name-calling. I mean, you're just contradicting yourself.
We have just entered a new era with a new coach and a new system -- an offensive system completely different from what's been employed in years past -- yet you lay the past mistakes of management and former coaches on the players and coaches we have now that have nothing to do with past mistakes. That's not fair. Nor is it fair to judge or condemn this current offense off of one season under Zorn. You say Zorn is a good coach, we have good players and we are a better team. But then you say that if we win games it'll be because other teams choke, and if we loss games it'll be because of the FO. What the hell is that?
SkinsJock wrote:these 2 bozos
SkinsJock wrote: 2 bozos
SkinsJock wrote:these 2 bozos
SkinsJock wrote: 2 bozos
Just a little anecdotal commentary here. We've all been out at social gatherings -- like at at restaurant, bar or a party -- where many times we're asked what profession we work in or what type of job we have. We breifly mention what career we have or what profession we engage... and sure enough, there's always some idiot that starts spouting off about the flaws in our profession and acts like he has all the answers.
You just stand there, smile... maybe nod your head, and think to yourself... "here's a bozo that has no formal education in my field of work, absolutely no working experience in my profession, doesn't have the first damn clue what it takes to walk a mile in my shoes... yet he's going to stand there and tell
me how it is. Huh... what a friggin bozo."
Our front office is much deeper than just Snyder and Ceratto. It includes very experienced professionals such as Scott Campbell, Don Breaux, Don Warren and Eric Shaffer...arguably one of the best in the business. And whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Ceratto does have an extensive resume. Well, I can only imagine what a few of those guys would think if they sat down and read some of these posts. I can't really say for sure, but it may be something like... "damn, here's some guy at a keyboard that has absolutely no clue what it takes to walk a mile in my shoes, but has the nerve to call us names like bozos and clowns... and
HE'S going to tell
US how it is. Yeah... who's the real bozo..."
I'll let you think about that...

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:09 pm
by SkinsJock
no worries guys - I must admit that it gets a little hard to make a point here when others both interpret incorrectly what you said and actually say that you said something that you did not
I am just frustrated that we are a team that is not put together by people that know what they are doing - they bring in very talented athletes and very good coaching staffs (well sometimes

) and in many cases they hope that the product on the field will be competitive. Too many times they have brought in players that IMHO knowlegeable managers would not have brought in because they just do not fit the team or the other players.
I'm fine with that but it is frustrating and we would be a lot better off without Cerrato and his bunch. We are not a bad team we just could be better.
We are going to see some more progress hopefully but I am not confident that Snyder and Cerrato have the patience or the football knowledge to make much of a success here and I know Snyder is not leaving so hopefully after this season we can get rid of Cerrato. The coaches should be allowed the time to make the team successful and be allowed to bring in and keep the players that they need to ensure that success.
I have been the guy here that many said was too biased in favor of this team and everyone associated with it - I have changed my mind about this team recently, even though I was never overly biased in the first place - that was just another case of people not knowing me very well and interpreting what and how I posted things incorrectly

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:24 pm
by SkinsJock
SkinsFreak wrote:Our front office is much deeper than just Snyder and Ceratto. It includes very experienced professionals such as Scott Campbell, Don Breaux, Don Warren and Eric Shaffer...arguably one of the best in the business. And whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Ceratto does have an extensive resume. Well, I can only imagine what a few of those guys would think if they sat down and read some of these posts. I can't really say for sure, but it may be something like... "damn, here's some guy at a keyboard that has absolutely no clue what it takes to walk a mile in my shoes, but has the nerve to call us names like bozos and clowns... and
HE'S going to tell
US how it is. Yeah... who's the real bozo..."
I'll let you think about that...

the Redskins' record, since Snyder and Cerrato started running things here, speaks for itself - I am certain there are a number of coaches and players here who are very good at what they do, so, why is the team not more competitive? Let me suggest that the guys that have the final say are not capable.
I am not saying that a lot of people here do not have a clue what is going on, the main problem is that Snyder and Cerrato do not let these guys make the decisions
I'll let you think about that ....
there are some posts that you see here that make you wonder and sometimes the posters here just make you laugh: they are so wrapped in their own little cocoon they cannot see the forest for the trees
And I'll let you think about who any of those posters might be ....

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:48 pm
by CanesSkins26
That's not fair. Nor is it fair to judge or condemn this current offense off of one season under Zorn.
Obviously there are going to be growing pains with any new offense. However, many of our problems on offense last year went far beyond simply learning a new offense. The offensive line being physically dominated by defenses (i.e. Raybach being owned by the Cleveland dline) had little to do with the new offense and more to do with the fact that our line is aging and injury prone.
Another example is our lack of production at WR. Last year we only got consistent production from two wide receivers, and that's unacceptable whether the team is in year 1 or in year 10 of an offense. That was a personnel-related issue, not an offensive scheme issue.
The lack of production from any rb not named Portis also wasn't offensive scheme-related. That was a result of us not having a back that can complement Portis.
So sure there were issues that were a result of the team learning a new offense. However, our struggles on offense went far beyond that last year and our personnel issues were a highly contributing factor in our poor offensive production.
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:09 pm
by SkinsJock
SkinsFreak wrote: it just appears you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say we have incredibly talented players and coaches and think we are better because of it. Well, that is a direct result of the recent work done by the FO you say we don't have and constantly criticize with insults and name-calling. I mean, you're just contradicting yourself.
We have just entered a new era with a new coach and a new system -- an offensive system completely different from what's been employed in years past -- yet you lay the past mistakes of management and former coaches on the players and coaches we have now that have nothing to do with past mistakes. That's not fair. Nor is it fair to judge or condemn this current offense off of one season under Zorn. You say Zorn is a good coach, we have good players and we are a better team. But then you say that if we win games it'll be because other teams choke, and if we loss games it'll be because of the FO. What the hell is that?
I think someone needs to chill - I am not calling anyone here names and I do not appreciate the way you are going about this - we have rules here and you are a part of that - I am allowed to come up with any name I like for anyone as long as it is not directed at someone who posts here
go after the post and please do not call people names just because they don't like the way our offense is looking and the way our owner and his puppet are managing this team
I did not say the word "choke" about our offense - that is how you perceived what I said and that was an incorrect interpretation on your part - you seem to be a little upset about that fact that we are not a certainty to win the division this year and all I'm trying to point out is that our team would be a lot better off if Snyder had people here who knew what they were doing

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:33 pm
by PulpExposure
SkinsJock wrote:]these 2 bozos
SkinsJock wrote: 2 bozos
SkinsJock wrote:these 2 bozos
SkinsJock wrote: 2 bozos
I think
someone has a thing for clowns...
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:51 pm
by SkinsJock
The most important thing a team can do to ensure success is to make sure you have a very good QB - most all teams endeavour to have a top 10 ranked QB. Snyder has had this team for 10 years and despite spending a lot of money on various players, he and Cerrato have failed to make sure that we have one of the best QB's in the NFL
I'm sure that since Cerrato was brought here they must have considered this - most everyone that knows anything about the NFL says the most important acquisition you can make is to find the QB of your future. Like a lot of things these
2 bozos do they have failed in that and they have had a number of years to get one
Campbell may develop into a very good QB but that is certainly not a given and look at how long he's been here and we are still not sure that he's a top 10 QB in the NFL - no wonder we are not one of the teams that people consider a certainty for the playoffs
Oh, and for all those who like to think I am so "anti" - I do think we have a decent chance to make the playoffs but it would be so much better if this team were managed better and we knew that we had a great chance to be there each year

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:01 pm
by CanesSkins26
Campbell may develop into a very good QB but that is certainly not a given and look at how long he's been here and we are still not sure that he's a top 10 QB in the NFL - no wonder we are not one of the teams that people consider a certainty for the playoffs Twisted Evil
Campbell isn't anywhere close to being one of the top 10 best qbs in the NFL. It really is quite sad how poor our qb situation has been over the last ten years or so. Since 1999 all of following players have started at least one game for us:
Brad Johnson
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
9 seasons and 10 different qbs that have started games for us.
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:13 pm
by SkinsFreak
SkinsJock wrote:I did not say the word "choke" about our offense - that is how you perceived what I said and that was an incorrect interpretation on your part
I never said you used the word choke or that is was attributed to our offense. You said if the team wins and makes the playoffs, it will be because our opponents didn't play well and not that our team has returned to the Redskins of old. (I can have the court reporter read back what you said... lol.) And since we play in a very competitive division, that would imply that teams laid down or choked when playing against us and that our team didn't earn it. I don't believe there's any other way to interpret what you said. Sorry if you don't like people responding to your posts on a message board.
SkinsJock wrote: you seem to be a little upset about that fact that we are not a certainty to win the division this year and all I'm trying to point out is that our team would be a lot better off if Snyder had people here who knew what they were doing
I'm not upset at all... in fact, quite the contrary. Like my friend Vet said, I'm excited about the upcoming season and I happen to see light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not upset, I'm quite humored by some of these posts. If Snyder fired the entire front office, you have no idea if we'd be any better off. Again, regardless of whether or not you want to acknowledge it, our front office IS staffed with experienced NFL people. And in my opinion, Ceratto has done a pretty good job since he took over a year and a half ago. We haven't even been through two seasons with Vinny in the GM role. So I'll withhold judgment until after this season, rather than condemning them before the season has even started.
Complaining about past mistakes from half a decade ago has little to no bearing on the team that will take the field this year. And if you want to complain about Snyder and Vinny with regard to this offseason or last year, the time during which Vinny has been in charge, please offer specific names of players that
should have been brought in to make this a better team. Don't just say they should have upgraded the o-line, give us specific names, and then elaborate how or why they would be better and how they could've gotten them.
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:22 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:Campbell may develop into a very good QB but that is certainly not a given and look at how long he's been here and we are still not sure that he's a top 10 QB in the NFL - no wonder we are not one of the teams that people consider a certainty for the playoffs Twisted Evil
Campbell isn't anywhere close to being one of the top 10 best qbs in the NFL. It really is quite sad how poor our qb situation has been over the last ten years or so. Since 1999 all of following players have started at least one game for us:
Brad Johnson
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
9 seasons and 10 different qbs that have started games for us.
I agree that's a less than impressive list, but let's not forget who brought those players in... and it wasn't Snyder or Ceratto. Campbell and Brunell were Joe Gibbs' choices, and he's one of the greatest QB evaluators in league history, as he is the only coach to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QB's. Collins came along with Saunders, as he knew that system so well from playing in it for a quarter century. Ramsey, Wuerffel and Mathews were Spurrier's guys.
In my opinion, Snyder probably gave too much control to the coaches when it came to free agent acquisitions in the past, and is probably why it's been better the past two offseasons, since it doesn't appear the coaches are as involved like years past.
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:01 pm
by Redskin in Canada
The RECORD speaks for itself.
If we all put aside speculation and our own personal analysis, it really comes to the following:
The Redskins will continue this season with a record of mediocrity and prove the point on our side of the argument
Or ...
The Redskins will have a winning season, make the playoffs and have a good run at them. And those perennial optmists will be proven right.
I am willing to admit that I was wrong if the Skins prove me and others on our side the mistake of our interpretation. So far, we have about a decade of record to prove our point.
I challenge the posters on the opposite side of the argument to be honest enough to concede our argument if we add another mediocre season to the list.
That's it. Who is willing to accept the challenge?
The proof is on the ... RECORD.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:31 am
by VetSkinsFan
See, RiC, this is where you're wrong already, at least with this perennial optimist. I am not predicting anything; I'm simply pointing out that we have a new season ahead of us. We have talent at a log of positions. We have the OPPORTUNITY to move forward and have a good year.
That's not prediciting playoffs OR "another year of mediocrity." It's called the BENEFIT of a DOUBT.
caps LOCK is fun, ISN'T it?

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:46 am
by DEHog
Redskin in Canada wrote:The RECORD speaks for itself.
If we all put aside speculation and our own personal analysis, it really comes to the following:
The Redskins will continue this season with a record of mediocrity and prove the point on our side of the argument
Or ...
The Redskins will have a winning season, make the playoffs and have a good run at them. And those perennial optmists will be proven right.
I am willing to admit that I was wrong if the Skins prove me and others on our side the mistake of our interpretation. So far, we have about a decade of record to prove our point.
I challenge the posters on the opposite side of the argument to be honest enough to concede our argument if we add another mediocre season to the list.
That's it. Who is willing to accept the challenge?
The proof is on the ... RECORD.

RIC I have to disagree with your post if having a wining season is the "yard stick" then we (those of us on this side of the argument) have already lost becuase DS has a division title and two wild cards already. I have stated numerous times that we can (and have) win in spite of our FO...one season will not change my mind. The one thing I'm looking for is for DS to fire Vinny before the coach...
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:10 am
by SkinsJock
Speaking for myself and, I think, RiC - I also am hoping for and (as I do every year) am looking forward in anticipation to a decent season and making the playoffs. I am only saying that since Snyder took over and then brought in Cerrato, we have not been managed well and that is a fact.
I will be happy to admit that I was wrong about these 2 bozos (NFL idiots) if the team has a good season and wins a couple of playoff games.
Redskin in Canada and I are not really predicting anything to do with the won loss record so much as we are saying that the reason we are a team that has a mediocre record of wins and losses is primarily because of who is in charge of the players and coaches that are here.
I think we have some talented players and coaches - I just think we would be a better team with better management, duh!
Every team is looking ahead and we have even more reason to be optimistic this year than the other 31 teams because we "won" the off-season title, again

they might retire this soon and just call it the SOS award - (Snyder's Off Season Championship)
I know there is no guarantee about new leadership being better than what we have but I also am pretty sure about what we are going to get from this leadership and while some point out that Snyder and Cerrato are not responsible for what the team does on the field during the season those 2 bozos are the ones that selected these players and coaches and think they give the team the best chance for success - well, over the past 10 years, we have seen how good that is - the record amounts to mediocrity
I will be happy if I am wrong and I am excited to see this team play, HAIL
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:57 am
by Redskin in Canada
VetSkinsFan wrote:See, RiC, this is where you're wrong already, at least with this perennial optimist. I am not predicting anything; I'm simply pointing out that we have a new season ahead of us. We have talent at a log of positions. We have the OPPORTUNITY to move forward and have a good year.
That's not prediciting playoffs OR "another year of mediocrity." It's called the BENEFIT of a DOUBT.
caps LOCK is fun, ISN'T it?

Daniel Snyder is counting on blind homerism and loyalty like yours to
1) avoid criticism and accountability;
2) keep on making a handsome profit every year; and
3) do not make the organizational changes that are urgently needed to achieve success.
So, some of you feel that you are better fans because you live on an eternal hope and prayer. That is a mistake. You are no better and you are not worse. You just refuse to acknowledge the obvious fact that some fans see clearly the root of our problem while others keep on taking the annual offseason snake oil.
Interestingly, I am willing to put my opinion to the test. DEHog is right! A SINGLE winning season is not sufficient to prove our point. The record should be considered as a whole:
Out of the whole period of ownership by this clown, we have three reasonably good years (one inhereted). Not championshiops or records, just three seasons and an overall mediocre record of wins and loses.
But I am willing to risk acknowleding a mistake on a SINGLE season as a proof to the best homers in this site that nothing has fundamentally changed. The mix of good, mediocre and old players is still not capable to win CONSISTENTLY.
I see no takers to my challenge. People should be confident about their views, particularly the strong ones. Since nobody has taken this challenge, I assume that you truly support our team simply with a hope and a prayer and you are reluctant to acknowledge our root problem even if there is little you can do about it.
And no, I will not attend a single game this season at FedEx. I am fed up up leaving the Stadium with my head down. That is what I can do to show my displeasure to the owner. He does not get my money.
If any of you is ready to put his opinion on the line and in public on this board, let me know. I am here. I am going nowhere and I have the conviction to prove my views with the record.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:07 am
by langleyparkjoe
Nice RIC... I am so guilty of homerism.. its so true..

I don't really care for Danny.. he's improved somewhat though, not saying he's a Rooney or anything but your right, my loyalty is driving me. You hit it right on the head bro.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:08 am
by VetSkinsFan
It's difficult to predict ANYTHING before training camp. I will GLADLY give a more detailed opinion closer week 1.
Giving out predictions now is just silly; we can't see if or how much the offense has learned the new system in early year two; we can't see how Haynesworth's addition works in to the defenseive scheme, ect ect.
You go ahead and preach on your soap box about what HAS been done. I'll live in the present, go ahead and keep talking about, "I remember when Danny screwed us by..." in the past tense.
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:18 am
by DEHog
we can't see how Haynesworth's addition works in to the defenseive scheme, ect ect.
What?? Souldn't that have been decided before we signed him

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:26 am
by SkinsJock
I agree with RiC and I will just add that the only "predicting" we are really interested in is the likelihood of how well the team will play (and win) in a consistent manner. - we are just like many here in that we are anticipating the season - we just see a record of mediocrity to indicate that is what is most likely going to happen - we would like to have a better chance at having a more consistently competitive team than the one that these 2 guys can possibly achieve -
even the blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then - Cerrato and his team are not capable - it is Snyder's fault for keeping him here for so long when he has consistently shown he and his team cannot get it done
The Washington Redskins franchise is being managed so irresponsibly that we are not looked upon as a consistent playoff contender anymore - that is a shame

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:29 am
by Redskin in Canada
VetSkinsFan wrote:It's difficult to predict ANYTHING before training camp. I will GLADLY give a more detailed opinion closer week 1.
Giving out predictions now is just silly; we can't see if or how much the offense has learned the new system in early year two; we can't see how Haynesworth's addition works in to the defenseive scheme, ect ect.
You go ahead and preach on your soap box about what HAS been done. I'll live in the present, go ahead and keep talking about, "I remember when Danny screwed us by..." in the past tense.
Look Vet, I do not mean any disrespect. All the contrary, I admire your dedication and even if I do not share it: your form of loyalty.
Let us be realistic:
1) We have an old OL which is now prone to injuries. It is not a dominant OL even when healthy.
2) We have a QB which has at best shown flashes of brilliance in a sea of self-doubt, mental mistakes and poor judgment.
3) We have an offense standing on the most part on the legs of arguably the best RB we have ever had but with few holes to run through. But a single player cannot carry an entire team, no matter how talented. Injuries will recur if he tries again.
4) We have very big question marks in our receiveing corp and we are hoping that they perform and fluorish now. Our offense as a whole is a question mark in terma of overall performance with points on the board.
5) We have had less than stellar Special Teams. Look at the stats of last year.
I am not going to speculate about depth at various positions. The writing is on the wall. And the responsibility of this state of affairs is not atributable to the offseason only. A team is made with vision OVER A PERIOD. A Team needs a plan.
That is the responsibility of the Front Office and no other. People will come and try to crucify Jason Campbell or the OL or the receiver corps or another scapegoat. I truly like Jason as a person. And the sad thing is that we will never know whether he was or could have developed into the great QB that Joe Gibbs saw in him because he has had poor support around him from the OL.
Mark these words, and if by accident or foresight they become true this season, please reconsider our conviction to make the owner ACCOUNTABLKE and RESPONSIBLE for the root problem with our team.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:34 am
by SkinsFreak
VetSkinsFan wrote:You go ahead and preach on your soap box about what HAS been done. I'll live in the present, go ahead and keep talking about, "I remember when Danny screwed us by..." in the past tense.
But... but... Vet, the record... I have the record over a specific period of time on my side. We were good at one point in time, but since then, even under the same previous ownership that produced championships, we became mediocre. Since the recent past record is mediocre, that proves the future record will be mediocre as well. It's a fact. Just look at the Patriots. Before they started winning championships in the 2000's, they were... umm... champions... or something. No wait... they were mediocre before winning championships, but brought in a new coach and started winning championships against mediocre teams. Yeah, that's it. No wait... that's not right either, because according to RiC, once mediocre, always mediocre, and therefore, fans shouldn't be... umm... fans... or homers... or something.
This isn't a game or a sport, it's REAL life, so you can't be optimistic with each new hand dealt. Snyder is just trying to trick us. He's trying to keep the team mediocre so we'll keep giving him all our money. Snyder is trying to take over the world. Fear him... he'll take all your money. He'll purposely keep a mediocre team on the field... you know, just so we'll get excited and optimistic about each upcoming season and end up giving him all our money so he can build his empire to one day take over the world and kill us all. Yeah... that's it. He's just another Jim Jones. I knew it! He'll take all my money with his evil plan and leave me to die.
THIS IS A CALL TO ARMS MY BROTHERS!!!! STAND UP... REVOLT AGAINST THE EVIL EMPIRE!!! FEDEX IS JONESTOWN... I MEAN SNYDERTOWN!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:41 am
by Redskin in Canada
SkinsFreak wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:You go ahead and preach on your soap box about what HAS been done. I'll live in the present, go ahead and keep talking about, "I remember when Danny screwed us by..." in the past tense.
But... but... Vet, the record... I have the record over a specific period of time on my side. We were good at one point in time, but since then, even under the same previous ownership that produced championships, we became mediocre. Since the recent past record is mediocre, that proves the future record will be mediocre as well. It's a fact. Just look at the Patriots. Before they started winning championships in the 2000's, they were... umm... champions... or something. No wait... they were mediocre before winning championships, but brought in a new coach and started winning championships against mediocre teams. Yeah, that's it. No wait... that's not right either, because according to RiC, once mediocre, always mediocre, and therefore, fans shouldn't be... umm... fans... or homers... or something.
This isn't a game or a sport, it's REAL life, so you can't be optimistic with each new hand dealt. Snyder is just trying to trick us. He's trying to keep the team mediocre so we'll keep giving him all our money. Snyder is trying to take over the world. Fear him... he'll take all your money. He'll purposely keep a mediocre team on the field... you know, just so we'll get excited and optimistic about each upcoming season and end up giving him all our money so he can build his empire to one day take over the world and kill us all. Yeah... that's it. He's just another Jim Jones. I knew it! He'll take all my money with his evil plan and leave me to die.
THIS IS A CALL TO ARMS MY BROTHERS!!!! STAND UP... REVOLT AGAINST THE EVIL EMPIRE!!! FEDEX IS JONESTOWN... I MEAN SNYDERTOWN!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!
A monument to the STUPIDEST of all stupid posts ever.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:48 am
by langleyparkjoe
Keep one thing in mind my friends.. JC was garbage years 1-3 @ Auburn.. his last year (similar to this season with last year on contract) he went undefeated with those guys. Of course college is not the NFL but you get what I'm saying. Crunch time for JC, I'm very hopeful that he'll do the same thing in having a great season.
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:52 am
by Countertrey
Does it matter?
Hold the owner accountable?
Rage against the machine?
To what end? How?
I have one weapon (witholding support)... and am not capable of using it.
This, therefore, is a pointless exercise in targeting the optimistic, whom, for you, serve as surrogates for the Danny, in all his sinister glory as the master of all that is evil.
Nothing I do, nothing YOU do, nothing WE are willing to do, will impact the course taken by the Danny one iota.
Pointless exercise. Protests to the contrary are voiding into the wind. The net result is, you get wet and smelly.
Frustration? I get it. I feel it. SO WHAT???
I see that one of the two major complaints that I had with the team last year has been addressed in a most satisfactory manner.
I note that a similar opportunity to address the other major concern did not materialize.
I'll take what I can get.
I am, now and forever, a Redskins fan... no matter how incompetent the owner may be. I can be nothing else.