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It seems as though JC only throws the ball downfield if Moss is all by himself. We need a playmaker at the QB position. Lets see what the other guys have and see if they can operate behind our line. That will be the tale of whether or not JC or oline is the problem.

Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Yeah, JC does not have it, lets cut our losses and start Colt and lets see what he can do.

JC is not the first QB ever to be i this Situation, I wish he could be fast with the release and have never watched breenen throw enough but I did see Dan Marino he was fast I even watched him in a movie once.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

You're making excuses for him... I'm not saying he should be benched but it's a fact that he DOES NOT MAKE BIG PLAYS.

At least Zorn agrees with me...

Zorn wrote:Can Jason Campbell develop if he can’t get time to throw?

“I think that’s just part of the game. You watched Eli Manning get sacked eight times in a game yesterday, that was a rough go for him. So you’ve just got to play through it. You’ve got to be able to play the next one. And that’s the thing: even if the protection breaks down, the thing that Jason’s smart enough – and I think he’s doing a tremendous job – he is playing very, very tough football, standing strong when a breakdown happens. I think he’s got tremendous talent, and I think he’s been improving as we’ve gone along.”

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

That's a good analogy....

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

You're making excuses for him... I'm not saying he should be benched but it's a fact that he DOES NOT MAKE BIG PLAYS.

At least Zorn agrees with me...

Zorn wrote:Can Jason Campbell develop if he can’t get time to throw?

“I think that’s just part of the game. You watched Eli Manning get sacked eight times in a game yesterday, that was a rough go for him. So you’ve just got to play through it. You’ve got to be able to play the next one. And that’s the thing: even if the protection breaks down, the thing that Jason’s smart enough – and I think he’s doing a tremendous job – he is playing very, very tough football, standing strong when a breakdown happens. I think he’s got tremendous talent, and I think he’s been improving as we’ve gone along.”

I'm not making excuses for him at all, because big plays are not all his responsibility. He doesn't run the routes, catch the balls, create separation, or win jump balls. The QB doesn't make big plays alone. He doesn't have David Tyree jumping over double coverage to catch a ball on his helmet like Eli does. He doesn't have T.O. jumping 12 feet in the air in the back of the end zone to catch a high ball. Why is Campbell good between the 20's? His receivers get open between the 20's. There is space. They don't need to vertically win the ball in coverage, which they can't do anyway. When ARE jumped for that ball last week I nearly crapped myself. He drops that ball 9 times out of 10.

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

The height thing is way overrated. Drew Brees has been racking up some pretty good numbers down there in NO, and his top two receviers are Lance Moore at 5-9, and Reggie Bush at 6-0.

Mursilis wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

The height thing is way overrated. Drew Brees has been racking up some pretty good numbers down there in NO, and his top two receviers are Lance Moore at 5-9, and Reggie Bush at 6-0.

I hesitate to call Bush a receiver. And most of what he does is not created by Brees. Lance Moore was a recent development by a talented guy, and up until recently Brees' favorite receivers were the very tall and big Colston and Henderson.

Jason doesn't give his WR's the ability to make plays, he's always hesitating and dumping it down. He doesn't have the gonads...sorry...

Look at how he hung Moss out to dry yesterday...

Our WR's don't have any YAC cus Jason is so freaking slow, defenses read him so easily. And thats why his passes are getting batted down, that release is slow as hell.


It is what it is...

Let's play the last couple games with all the rookies playing. I'd be up for watching that, and I wouldn't have ANY expectations.

We have, what, 9 rookies?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't give his WR's the ability to make plays, he's always hesitating and dumping it down. He doesn't have the gonads...sorry...

Look at how he hung Moss out to dry yesterday...

Our WR's don't have any YAC cus Jason is so freaking slow, defenses read him so easily. And thats why his passes are getting batted down, that release is slow as hell.


It is what it is...

So he's so easy to read and that's why he throws all those picks...oh...wait.

I don't think Campbell is great, I really don't. I do think we have the worst wide receiver core in the league. Unfortunately the draft didn't help yet and may not.

Moss and El have both found themselves in the top 20 in NFC drops, a list that also includes Runningbacks and Tight Ends. The West Coast Offense isn't about going deep and making big plays, and when Zorn does go deep, the ball is dropped. Why would he do it more often? He has enough problems getting first downs without a failed deep pass.

brad7686 wrote:So he's so easy to read and that's why he throws all those picks...oh...wait.

Yeah and all those TD's

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:So he's so easy to read and that's why he throws all those picks...oh...wait.

Yeah and all those TD's

Well if they were breaking on the ball because of his slow release, like you claim, he would be leading the league in picks. It has nothing to do with touchdowns. The reason receivers don't get open isn't because of Campbell's release, but because they get muscled out of routes in the red zone and can't win a jump ball. Why should anyone have faith in our wide receivers if they are top 20 droppers in the conference? And aren't physical enough to win a jump ball?

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't give his WR's the ability to make plays, he's always hesitating and dumping it down. He doesn't have the gonads...sorry...

Look at how he hung Moss out to dry yesterday...

Our WR's don't have any YAC cus Jason is so freaking slow, defenses read him so easily. And thats why his passes are getting batted down, that release is slow as hell.


It is what it is...

So he's so easy to read and that's why he throws all those picks...oh...wait.

I don't think Campbell is great, I really don't. I do think we have the worst wide receiver core in the league. Unfortunately the draft didn't help yet and may not.

Moss and El have both found themselves in the top 20 in NFC drops, a list that also includes Runningbacks and Tight Ends. The West Coast Offense isn't about going deep and making big plays, and when Zorn does go deep, the ball is dropped. Why would he do it more often? He has enough problems getting first downs without a failed deep pass.

Yeah, b/c in the first 8 games, CP was banged up and the o-line was fallin.... nevermind, they weren't.

jason is in a low powered O with an average O line. In that type of situation the only thing you can expect a qb to do is to not turn it over and rely on the running game. that is what jason does, low numbers of turnovers (which comes with fewer yards and touchdowns).

so as long as our O line sucks and our wide outs are average it doesnt matter who is at qb. this thread is so long!! its a moot point. with out an o line its over.

there aint not future in your frontin

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah, b/c in the first 8 games, CP was banged up and the o-line was fallin.... nevermind, they weren't.

It hurts me to see you like this.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Yeah, b/c in the first 8 games, CP was banged up and the o-line was fallin.... nevermind, they weren't.

It hurts me to see you like this.

A healthy CP and a healthy line masked the inadequacies of the passing game. I don't care which QB was in there in the beginning, the results wouldn't have been that much different.

brad7686 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

The height thing is way overrated. Drew Brees has been racking up some pretty good numbers down there in NO, and his top two receviers are Lance Moore at 5-9, and Reggie Bush at 6-0.

I hesitate to call Bush a receiver. And most of what he does is not created by Brees. Lance Moore was a recent development by a talented guy, and up until recently Brees' favorite receivers were the very tall and big Colston and Henderson.

Whatever Bush is, he's second in receptions on that team. Regarding Colston (6-4) and Henderson (5-11), I'd call only one of them tall.

Mursilis wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason doesn't make big plays when he does have time. I've watched Tony Romo and Big Ben make big plays even though they're constantly harassed...

He just doesn't make big plays. It's that simple.

Big Ben is not better than Campbell at all. His stats are terrible. His defense holds the other team to basically no points, and then he finally gets it together at the end of the game and makes a play (when the other teams defense is tired from their offense getting constantly blown off the field by the steelers defense).

You have a point with Romo, and i see the same ability in Campbell to move around in the pocket, but he's not at Romo's level yet. However, Campbell doesn't have the luxury of throwing the ball up in the air under pressure and having T.O. or Roy Williams go and get it. Think of it as Dallas' receivers being Hakeem Olajuwan and David Robinson, while our receivers are Mugsy Bogues and Earl Boykins.

The height thing is way overrated. Drew Brees has been racking up some pretty good numbers down there in NO, and his top two receviers are Lance Moore at 5-9, and Reggie Bush at 6-0.

I hesitate to call Bush a receiver. And most of what he does is not created by Brees. Lance Moore was a recent development by a talented guy, and up until recently Brees' favorite receivers were the very tall and big Colston and Henderson.

Whatever Bush is, he's second in receptions on that team. Regarding Colston (6-4) and Henderson (5-11), I'd call only one of them tall.

Henderson looks taller, must be skinny. Bush is second in reception because if he receives a screen pass its like trying to tackle a squirrel.

brad7686 wrote: ... Bush is second in receptions because after he receives a screen pass it's like trying to tackle a squirrel.

there you have it folks - what Jason needs is a few more squirrel like receivers

brad7686 wrote:Henderson looks taller, must be skinny. Bush is second in reception because if he receives a screen pass its like trying to tackle a squirrel.

NObody seems to fuss when Moss racked up his yards in a similar fashion...

Wishbone! Wishbone! Wishbone! Wishbone!