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brad7686 wrote:This thing doesn't make sense for the bears either, they lose a linebacker and none are good enough to go at 6 and they would need to trade down if they would even be given the option. Super dumb on all levels.

1niksder wrote:

brad7686 wrote:This thing doesn't make sense for the bears either, they lose a linebacker and none are good enough to go at 6 and they would need to trade down if they would even be given the option. Super dumb on all levels.

Bear could use the pick to trade down, the Redskins get two players for one pick ( 1 being a 26 yr old 2-time Probowler), not a bad deal if the Bears would throw in a 3rd rounder.

But to address you issue about the Bears side of the deal, they could offer to throw in their 2nd round pick and Washington throws in Rocky, I'll be willing to forget about that 3rd rounder and the Bears would have that LB that you are so worried about.

If he's willing to sit out 10 games than they should get what they can.

Fios wrote:

gibbs#1 wrote:maybe, but we just worked out a deal with chicago for arch maybe we have a good enough relationship with chicago to get it done

Let me put this another way: this will not happen, I promise you. The Redskins have neither the cap space nor the draft picks. The Bears would need two first round draft picks as compensation, the Redskins have one, this rumor was dead before it was uttered.

1niksder wrote:

brad7686 wrote:This thing doesn't make sense for the bears either, they lose a linebacker and none are good enough to go at 6 and they would need to trade down if they would even be given the option. Super dumb on all levels.

Bear could use the pick to trade down, the Redskins get two players for one pick ( 1 being a 26 yr old 2-time Probowler), not a bad deal if the Bears would throw in a 3rd rounder.

But to address you issue about the Bears side of the deal, they could offer to throw in their 2nd round pick and Washington throws in Rocky, I'll be willing to forget about that 3rd rounder and the Bears would have that LB that you are so worried about.

If he's willing to sit out 10 games than they should get what they can.

Fios wrote:

gibbs#1 wrote:maybe, but we just worked out a deal with chicago for arch maybe we have a good enough relationship with chicago to get it done

Let me put this another way: this will not happen, I promise you. The Redskins have neither the cap space nor the draft picks. The Bears would need two first round draft picks as compensation, the Redskins have one, this rumor was dead before it was uttered.

bluestar5sb wrote:First time poster... I like the site..As for Briggs...the Skins don't have to give 2 first rounders...it's a straight up trade..the #6 for the 31st plus Briggs...plus a minor draft choice swap.As for giving up #2choice, for MacIntosh...can't see it happen...Gibbs said he won't touch next years picks....If I was the Skins,I would never take Briggs...that Bear defense is over-rated..Lions,Packers...bad division...now...if you're talking Tommy Harris.....just my opinion...gotta tell you guys...I'm a Cowboy fan,but this is a pro- site...nice job...

1niksder wrote:

bluestar5sb wrote:First time poster... I like the site..As for Briggs...the Skins don't have to give 2 first rounders...it's a straight up trade..the #6 for the 31st plus Briggs...plus a minor draft choice swap.As for giving up #2choice, for MacIntosh...can't see it happen...Gibbs said he won't touch next years picks....If I was the Skins,I would never take Briggs...that Bear defense is over-rated..Lions,Packers...bad division...now...if you're talking Tommy Harris.....just my opinion...gotta tell you guys...I'm a Cowboy fan,but this is a pro- site...nice job...

Welcome to the site.
The Briggs deal as it stands is a good deal for the Skins. Considering they don't want to draft at #6 and they can pick up a LB of Briggs skill level and stay in the first round. Jared Allen would be worth the the #31st pick as a RFA

I still can't figure out why the Bears haven't jumped on it, unless they think Lance is bluffing about sitting out the first 10 games.

bluestar5sb wrote:Wouldn't you rather stay at that pick?..There will be teams knocking at the door for Landry,Okoye...if I'm the 'Skins I hang tight..drop down 5-6 places..pick up draft choices...I'm telling you,Briggs ain;t that good.Look at Colvin,AThomas,etc..that division makes players look better than they are.Just my opinion,but having said that,I've heard that they are moving....either up to Johnson in the first..or down.Hey,not my team,but don't trade 6 for Briggs...and thanks for the welcome...

gibbs4president wrote:Why are people talking about Tommie Harris? He's one of the best D-Linemen in the whole league, and the Bears would never trade this guy. Where did that whole idea come from?

bluestar5sb wrote:I was just replying to the fact that the Skins are going after Briggs...he is an above average player...not a great one.If you have the 6th pick,you don't give it up for L.Briggs.You get Tommy Harris players at the 6th pick.

1niksder wrote:

bluestar5sb wrote:Wouldn't you rather stay at that pick?..There will be teams knocking at the door for Landry,Okoye...if I'm the 'Skins I hang tight..drop down 5-6 places..pick up draft choices...I'm telling you,Briggs ain;t that good.Look at Colvin,AThomas,etc..that division makes players look better than they are.Just my opinion,but having said that,I've heard that they are moving....either up to Johnson in the first..or down.Hey,not my team,but don't trade 6 for Briggs...and thanks for the welcome...

I'm all for creeping down the draft board picking up picks all the way down to about #20, but then there would be nothing to talk about until the end of next month.

The longer Washington's trade offer for Lance Briggs sits on the table, the greater the chance it probably dies a slow death. The Bears are wise to hold on to the Pro Bowl linebacker for now because his value could escalate as the NFL Draft nears. Although the Redskins appear to be the most anxious to make a deal, Scout.com has learned that a few more teams have made inquiries.

Veteran NFL scout Tony Pauline has had his ear to the ground regarding the Lance Briggs situation. It appears that a few teams are starting to make a push for the Pro-Bowler, but GM Jerry Angelo is taking his time fielding offers. On top of that, Pauline has noticed that the Bears have been going out of their way to interview outside linebackers leading up the NFL Draft, further suggesting that they are making plans to be without Briggs in 2007.

Here's the latest according to Pauline's sources:

Angelo trying to get more out of the Redskins The trade offer on the table would send Briggs and the Bears' first-round draft pick – No. 31 overall – to Washington in exchange for the Redskins first-rounder at No. 6. Briggs' representative, Drew Rosenhaus, has been running his mouth to anyone who will listen that this is a good move for both teams, but Angelo is not about to let an agent and a disgruntled player force his hand. According to Pauline, Angelo is also asking for linebacker Rocky McIntosh, Washington's second-round selection a year ago, to sweeten the pot.

McIntosh would be an instant replacement for Briggs and the Redskins actually traded up last year to get him, but owner Daniel Snyder has been known to throw away draft picks like Kleenex.

Bills need to replace Spikes and Fletcher-Baker Buffalo has been very active in the trade market this offseason, sending tailback Willis McGahee to Baltimore for a slew of draft picks before packaging linebacker Takeo Spikes and quarterback Kelly Holcomb to Philadelphia for defensive tackle Darwin Walker. Linebacker London Fletcher-Baker left for the aforementioned Redskins via free agency, so the Bills have major holes to fill at that position. Pauline has learned that Buffalo is offering their pick in the first round – No. 12 overall – to the Bears for Briggs, although Angelo would have to include another selection in return for that deal to happen.

This potential trade could pick up some steam because Buffalo is coached by former Bears front man Dick Jauron, who Briggs played for as a rookie.

Giants also in need of serious help at linebacker New York currently has openings at both outside linebacker positions, having cut both LaVar Arrington and Carlos Emmons in the offseason. Antonio Pierce is the only `backer the G-Men have with a legitimate NFL resume, plus their defense was absolutely ravaged by injuries last season. Pauline reports that the Giants have offered their spot in Round 1 – No. 20 overall – to the Bears for the durable Briggs, although this deal would technically have less appeal than the other two according to the draft value chart.

Angelo would probably much rather pick 20th in the first round as opposed to 6th or 12th because of the money involved, but New York will have to offer more for this swap to happen.

1niksder wrote:

bluestar5sb wrote:I was just replying to the fact that the Skins are going after Briggs...he is an above average player...not a great one.If you have the 6th pick,you don't give it up for L.Briggs.You get Tommy Harris players at the 6th pick.

Briggs is a option Harris isn't. He's got two years left in pro-rated SB money so the Bears would take a cap hit by moving him. They would still be stuck with a LB that doesn't want to play for them.

SkinsFreak wrote:Briggs - 2 time Pro Bowler and just 26 years old. Ok, we already know this. But here's my question; Briggs was franchised by the Bears, right? I believe the appropriate compensation would be TWO 1st round picks, right? I'm not an expert on the value of picks in the draft, but, if we wanted Briggs, wouldn't that require our 6th pick this year and our 1st round pick next year, if a franchised player commands TWO 1st round picks?

At the current trade offer, It seems to me that merely swapping picks with the Bears for Briggs, and not giving them anything, gives the Skins the best of this deal. Am I missing something? Seriously. I could be wrong, but I think the Skins are in the driver's seat here.

steve09ru wrote:I'll agree with Bett's...but McIntosh...started 12 games and got 1/2 a sack...and third amongst the dline in total tackles. And Rocky will not be starting this year or is not projected to...

Sounds like your making a case for Briggs.

steve09ru wrote:No rookie will start in our defensive until 6th or 7th week...maybe a week or two earlier if 100% necessary.

Well, I know what you're trying to say, but with regard to the DE position, it we are to take a DE in the 1st round, I would hope that he can start over Daniels or Wynn.

steveo9ru wrote:I look for a trade to involve McIntosh and our 6th, for Briggs, their 31st, and 3-5th rounder...which would be a respectable trade if u ask me.

bluestar5sb wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Briggs - 2 time Pro Bowler and just 26 years old. Ok, we already know this. But here's my question; Briggs was franchised by the Bears, right? I believe the appropriate compensation would be TWO 1st round picks, right? I'm not an expert on the value of picks in the draft, but, if we wanted Briggs, wouldn't that require our 6th pick this year and our 1st round pick next year, if a franchised player commands TWO 1st round picks?

At the current trade offer, It seems to me that merely swapping picks with the Bears for Briggs, and not giving them anything, gives the Skins the best of this deal. Am I missing something? Seriously. I could be wrong, but I think the Skins are in the driver's seat here.

steve09ru wrote:I'll agree with Bett's...but McIntosh...started 12 games and got 1/2 a sack...and third amongst the dline in total tackles. And Rocky will not be starting this year or is not projected to...

Sounds like your making a case for Briggs.

steve09ru wrote:No rookie will start in our defensive until 6th or 7th week...maybe a week or two earlier if 100% necessary.

Well, I know what you're trying to say, but with regard to the DE position, it we are to take a DE in the 1st round, I would hope that he can start over Daniels or Wynn.

steveo9ru wrote:I look for a trade to involve McIntosh and our 6th, for Briggs, their 31st, and 3-5th rounder...which would be a respectable trade if u ask me.

Agreed, although slightly tipped in our favor, if we don't have to give up an additional 1st round pick due to the franchise tag.[/quot

you think the 6th pick is worth Briggs and the 31st pick??...let me ask you this,...if Briggs was coming out this year,would he be a top 10 pick???

Cowboys Fan wrote:you think the 6th pick is worth Briggs and the 31st pick??...let me ask you this,...if Briggs was coming out this year,would he be a top 10 pick???

Justice Hog wrote:Remember when Trotter, that stud LB from Philly, came to D.C.? Remember what he did when he got here? Not a damn thing! Anyone else worried that the same thing will happen with Briggs?