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SkinsJock wrote:OK - let's say that it's not really anyone's fault that we've had 2 horrendous season with injuries to so many key players
AND
let's keep everyone and do the best we can through this - after all these guys have done some good things ... haven't they?

we could get lucky - even the blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then ....

give me a break - I want to see somebody fired - make somebody pay for the mistakes
let's get some people in here that know what they're doing - anyone can do a better job than these idiots have done

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Knee jerk reactions is nornal from the fans perspective- especially when the *sh$t* hits the fan...

But as a front office we've not only seen, but have written the book on how disastrous that is. New coach new gm.. New scheme- been there done that. Look at the carousel in Clevland for your answers- team has had the most top 10 picks in the last 10 drafts out of every team! I'd argue they are one of the youngest teams with the most talent out there- the new coach after new coach has kept them at the bottom of the league.

I'm not saying we are NE and in the best shape ever- but we are improving in our player management and acquisitions. Stay the course is hard when you have so much adversity- BUT who and what will flip it on a dime?
You can ask for changes, but it's meaningless without any solutions- ya?

'Nobody should be comfortable at Redskins Park’: After another loss, a week of outrage ensues

By Dan Steinberg December 9 at 7:00 AM

[Yes...Steinberg posted the story this morning. Right. Before the game.]

The Redskins also lost Colt McCoy, likely for the season, and now face easily the most dire weekend of the year: another divisional game, this time with a quarterback who has been around for less than a month and with a shattered offensive line, a pessimistic fan base and a growing chorus of voices calling for significant, franchise-altering changes.

Such changes didn’t happen after last year’s late-season swoon. The injuries offered a valid excuse, and the Kirk Cousins for Alex Smith swap was thus the only major offseason upheaval. There’s no great way to judge where fans are on these issues or whether a continued slide down the standings this month would prompt universal demands for a change in course. But the people who talk to the fans seem to have had enough, anyhow. A few examples from the past week of outrage.

Kevin Sheehan, the longtime (former) host of the team’s pregame radio show, lit into the club’s leadership on his podcast this week, using as a peg the news that last Monday’s loss in Philadelphia earned just a 21.6 television rating, which just a few years ago would have been an unfathomably low number for a prime-time division game with first place on the line.

“The television ratings are just another in the list of things that make me believe that Dan Snyder is going to make big changes, barring a late season run,” Sheehan said. “If they don’t make the postseason, they have to get rid of Bruce [Allen] and Jay [Gruden]. They have to. The fan base is eroding at a faster clip than in recent years. The Indianapolis home opener crowd is a reflection of that. The ratings on television locally the other night is a reflection of that. They’ve got to be gone.

“Nobody wants Bruce back. Can we all agree on that?” Sheehan asked. “I haven’t met one person who wants him back.”

Sheehan then referenced Allen’s quote last spring, that “Wins and losses is the most important statistic when it comes to an equipment manager, a team president, a quarterback, a running back, a guard or a coach.” The Redskins are 58-81-1 in the nine seasons since Allen took control.

“Well, his record isn’t good enough,” Sheehan said. “And that’s on the field. Off the field, from a subjective standpoint, nonquantifiable: Arrogance. Limited, intelligence-wise, in terms of the way the organization is operated. Sleazy, low-rent too much of the time. They need a change because it’s warranted first and foremost based on record. But they need a change because it’s the only chance they have to keep the [fan base] from eroding at the clip that it has been diminishing at.”

Danny Rouhier, on 106.7 the Fan, was of a similar mind.

“The Redskins have been kind of dead man walking, and we haven’t really fully realized it,” he said this week. “All I know is nobody should be comfortable at Redskins Park today. Nobody should be. That’s from Bruce Allen on down, and if you could fire Dan Snyder, I’d fire him, too. Nobody with an office, nobody with a locker should be comfortable today. This season is over. And the infighting and the arguing about who should take snaps for the last four games, to me, is irrelevant. There’s no relevance to it. . . .

SkinsJock wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Knee jerk reactions is nornal from the fans perspective- especially when the *sh$t* hits the fan...

But as a front office we've not only seen, but have written the book on how disastrous that is. New coach new gm.. New scheme- been there done that. Look at the carousel in Clevland for your answers- team has had the most top 10 picks in the last 10 drafts out of every team! I'd argue they are one of the youngest teams with the most talent out there- the new coach after new coach has kept them at the bottom of the league.

I'm not saying we are NE and in the best shape ever- but we are improving in our player management and acquisitions. Stay the course is hard when you have so much adversity- BUT who and what will flip it on a dime?
You can ask for changes, but it's meaningless without any solutions- ya?

The BIGGEST reason the Browns have turned things around is NOT due to the number of big time picks as much as the fact that those picks and the coaching staff have been put together by guys that know what they're doing

we can do that - we need to do things differently - the new NFL is about analytics and the new offenses - we are NOT that franchise - not even close

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Knee jerk reactions is nornal from the fans perspective- especially when the *sh$t* hits the fan...

But as a front office we've not only seen, but have written the book on how disastrous that is. New coach new gm.. New scheme- been there done that. Look at the carousel in Clevland for your answers- team has had the most top 10 picks in the last 10 drafts out of every team! I'd argue they are one of the youngest teams with the most talent out there- the new coach after new coach has kept them at the bottom of the league.

I'm not saying we are NE and in the best shape ever- but we are improving in our player management and acquisitions. Stay the course is hard when you have so much adversity- BUT who and what will flip it on a dime?
You can ask for changes, but it's meaningless without any solutions- ya?

The BIGGEST reason the Browns have turned things around is NOT due to the number of big time picks as much as the fact that those picks and the coaching staff have been put together by guys that know what they're doing

we can do that - we need to do things differently - the new NFL is about analytics and the new offenses - we are NOT that franchise - not even close

Oh ya? What did they turn around??? All the top picks you could dream for- still fired the HC mid season.. And still bot a winner.

I rest my case

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Knee jerk reactions is nornal from the fans perspective- especially when the *sh$t* hits the fan...
But as a front office we've not only seen, but have written the book on how disastrous that is. New coach new gm.. New scheme- been there done that. Look at the carousel in Clevland for your answers- team has had the most top 10 picks in the last 10 drafts out of every team! I'd argue they are one of the youngest teams with the most talent out there- the new coach after new coach has kept them at the bottom of the league.
I'm not saying we are NE and in the best shape ever- but we are improving in our player management and acquisitions. Stay the course is hard when you have so much adversity- BUT who and what will flip it on a dime?You can ask for changes, but it's meaningless without any solutions- ya?

The BIGGEST reason the Browns have turned things around is NOT due to the number of big time picks as much as the fact that those picks and the coaching staff have been put together by guys that know what they're doing - we can do that BUT we need to do things differently - the new NFL is about analytics and the new offenses - we are NOT that franchise - not even close

Oh ya? What did they turn around??? All the top picks you could dream for- still fired the HC mid season.. And still not a winner.
I rest my case

It would have been plenty for the Cleveland Browns to have reached respectable status this season. They are, after all, the Browns, who have stumbled and bumbled their way through so much of their franchise history and who took the term laughingstock to new depths by posting a combined record of 1-31 over the previous two seasons.

But all of that was before Baker Mayfield arrived, and all Mayfield has changed for the Browns is everything. It is mid-December and these Browns — Mayfield’s Browns — are talking about playoff possibilities, not jockeying for the top overall pick in the NFL draft. These Browns have zoomed past respectable and are honest-to-goodness postseason contenders who will be playing a meaningful Week 16 game, thanks to Saturday night’s 17-16 triumph in Denver.

welch wrote:What if Dan Snyder had made Gregg Williams head coach, as Joe Gibbs wanted?

riggofan wrote:

welch wrote:What if Dan Snyder had made Gregg Williams head coach, as Joe Gibbs wanted?

I'm a Gregg Williams fan. 100%. Can't deny his success with defenses and he seems capable of motivating players.

El Mexican wrote:

riggofan wrote:

welch wrote:What if Dan Snyder had made Gregg Williams head coach, as Joe Gibbs wanted?

I'm a Gregg Williams fan. 100%. Can't deny his success with defenses and he seems capable of motivating players.

Maybe he motivated them a little too much.

Can't forget the bounty scandal with the Saints. "Kill the head".

Sonny9TD wrote:Redskins doing everything they can to miss the playoffs and having just a good enough record to not get the best Offensive Lineman in the draft. Todd MbShay was dead on for our draft pick

Countertrey wrote:Way too much was made of that... I was struck by how few teams made a big deal of it. That says something ("there, but for the grace of God, go I").

SkinsJock wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:The BIGGEST reason the Browns have turned things around is NOT due to the number of big time picks as much as the fact that those picks and the coaching staff have been put together by guys that know what they're doing - we can do that BUT we need to do things differently - the new NFL is about analytics and the new offenses - we are NOT that franchise - not even close

Oh ya? What did they turn around??? All the top picks you could dream for- still fired the HC mid season.. And still not a winner.
I rest my case

WRONG .... again Have you been watching the Browns these past 4 weeks - they ARE heading in the right direction
even if we made changes, we're still years away from having a consistently competitive product on the field - we have some good young players but the losing culture is very much evident & it is not that easy to get rid of - this is the way it is here

Oh ya? What did they turn around? All the top picks you could dream for- still fired the HC mid season.. And still not a winner. I rest my case