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Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:This has the rabid undertones of a Marxist movement.

OK, Kazoo Jr.

Another liberal cliche. I stated my standard for being a Marxist, the planks of the communist manifesto. Wow, where did that come from? I think the planks of the Communist Manifesto define a communist! Oh, that's reasonable, isn't it? So, you have a scale, what do you do?

Do you go to the planks and show how Obama opposes that?

No, you run around in circles like your hair's on fire saying how ridiculous it is. Or you do a Mini CH and say he's not a communist because he doesn't like the phrasing.

That you can't address a clear, reasonable standard with content is a pretty strong statement I'm right.

Wow! Beat up straw men much? Show me where in that post I addressed your standards for stating that Obama is a Marxist, or even disagreed with you that he is one.

Um...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:This has the rabid undertones of a Marxist movement.

OK, Kazoo Jr.

Another liberal cliche. I stated my standard for being a Marxist, the planks of the communist manifesto. Wow, where did that come from? I think the planks of the Communist Manifesto define a communist! Oh, that's reasonable, isn't it? So, you have a scale, what do you do?

Do you go to the planks and show how Obama opposes that?

No, you run around in circles like your hair's on fire saying how ridiculous it is. Or you do a Mini CH and say he's not a communist because he doesn't like the phrasing.

That you can't address a clear, reasonable standard with content is a pretty strong statement I'm right.

Wow! Beat up straw men much? Show me where in that post I addressed your standards for stating that Obama is a Marxist, or even disagreed with you that he is one.

Um...

Yeah, so?

Bill O'Reilly put it this way (like him or not)

This country has 2 choices: nanny state vs. self reliance

This administration wants to give freebies to those who cannot or will not do for themselves. It is a NOBLE gesture, but it leads to disaster.

Take for example Spain and Greece. Those countries are BANKRUPT because of this same thing. Now they want to SCALE BACK.....and people are rioting because they DON'T WANT to give up their......FREE STUFF from the gov.

Riot in the streets? Super Power.........no more!

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Not even Americans could elect somebody who calls himself Mitt, could they? He would be the first US president that European leaders haven't tripped over themselves to meet first......

That, alone is a major selling point.

Beyond that, they elected a man with no experience, no particular vision, and no plan in 2008... Why not Mitt?

Mitt's a flaming liar. We have no idea what he'll do in office, plus he was a horrible governor in Mass. Thousands of people left the state and Mass was close to last in the country in job creation. By the way, Mitt made millions by investing in Stericyle (sp?), which disposes of medical wastes, including aborted fetuses. Outsourcing (check), investing in slave shops in China (check.) The guy is a low-like punk who'll throw anybody under the bus.

It's unfortunate that it's legal to slander a public figure... but, that's the liberal refrain, this year. "Say it until they believe it..."

oops... they ain't a buyin' it... what now?

Countertrey wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Not even Americans could elect somebody who calls himself Mitt, could they? He would be the first US president that European leaders haven't tripped over themselves to meet first......

That, alone is a major selling point.

Beyond that, they elected a man with no experience, no particular vision, and no plan in 2008... Why not Mitt?

Mitt's a flaming liar. We have no idea what he'll do in office, plus he was a horrible governor in Mass. Thousands of people left the state and Mass was close to last in the country in job creation. By the way, Mitt made millions by investing in Stericyle (sp?), which disposes of medical wastes, including aborted fetuses. Outsourcing (check), investing in slave shops in China (check.) The guy is a low-like punk who'll throw anybody under the bus.

It's unfortunate that it's legal to slander a public figure... but, that's the liberal refrain, this year. "Say it until they believe it..."

oops... they ain't a buyin' it... what now?

Name calling is all they have defending a badly failed Presidency with an arrogant candidate who learns nothing, is intellectually dishonest and has no ability to change his strategies when they don't work. First, it was ... Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Now we're back to 8 year old ... Liar! The next step left is to go back to pre-school. I'm thinking by the end of October Obama and his worshipers will be calling Romney ... Poopy Pants! From there, I guess we start to learn womb insults ...

One thing that concerns me about Romney, and I don't think this gets enough attention, is his Mormon faith. I think Richard Dawkins says it best in that how you can put faith in someone to think logically when their religion and belief system is as ridiculous as that of Mormons?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4M8PvpmW4

Cappster wrote:One thing that concerns me about Romney, and I don't think this gets enough attention, is his Mormon faith. I think Richard Dawkins says it best in that how you can put faith in someone to think logically when their religion and belief system is as ridiculous as that of Mormons?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4M8PvpmW4

All religions have some pretty wacky views. Judging him based on that rather then what he's going to do for your ability to live your life in your own way is merely a way to justify a predetermined vote, not a way to decide how to cast one. Obama's Marxist views cover both, they are bizarre and dangerous to my liberty.

yup... go read ObamaNation by Jerome Corsi.
Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:One thing that concerns me about Romney, and I don't think this gets enough attention, is his Mormon faith. I think Richard Dawkins says it best in that how you can put faith in someone to think logically when their religion and belief system is as ridiculous as that of Mormons?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4M8PvpmW4

All religions have some pretty wacky views. Judging him based on that rather then what he's going to do for your ability to live your life in your own way is merely a way to justify a predetermined vote, not a way to decide how to cast one. Obama's Marxist views cover both, they are bizarre and dangerous to my liberty.

I long for a candidate that doesn't believe in religious fairy tales. If I said I believe the the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were real, I would instantly be discredited and labeled as a wacko. I see no difference between a person who believes in TMNT than a person who believes Joseph Smith, a known con man, is a prophet of God. I don't see how religious beliefs get a "pass" when they directly affect how a person approaches life.

The question is simple

which party (not Romney or Obama) do you think can better manage this country for the next 4 years?

do you really want Pelosi and Reid screwing this up for another 4 years?

I'm sorry, but that has to be the stupidest reason to vote for one presidential candidate over another that I've ever heard.

Cappster wrote:I long for a candidate that doesn't believe in religious fairy tales. If I said I believe the the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were real, I would instantly be discredited and labeled as a wacko. I see no difference between a person who believes in TMNT than a person who believes Joseph Smith, a known con man, is a prophet of God. I don't see how religious beliefs get a "pass" when they directly affect how a person approaches life.

See, you start with the fairy tale thing and I think you're heading to a conclusion which makes sense, you're talking about all religions. But no, it's just Mormons. Gotcha. Mormons are weird, other Religions make sense. Personally while I believe in God, I think all dogmatic beliefs are ridiculous and unnecessary.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:I long for a candidate that doesn't believe in religious fairy tales. If I said I believe the the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were real, I would instantly be discredited and labeled as a wacko. I see no difference between a person who believes in TMNT than a person who believes Joseph Smith, a known con man, is a prophet of God. I don't see how religious beliefs get a "pass" when they directly affect how a person approaches life.

See, you start with the fairy tale thing and I think you're heading to a conclusion which makes sense, you're talking about all religions. But no, it's just Mormons. Gotcha. Mormons are weird, other Religions make sense. Personally while I believe in God, I think all dogmatic beliefs are ridiculous and unnecessary.

I am talking about all religions, but some religions I find more odd than others. They all are bologna to me. I point out Mormons, because there is one running for president and if you weren't so narrowly focused on me saying Mormon then you would see that the very next statement I make addresses how religious beliefs tend to be off limits. That is, unless, you are a black man with a *weird* name.

Deadskins wrote:I'm sorry, but that has to be the stupidest reason to vote for one presidential candidate over another that I've ever heard.

Sooooo you would vote for a Muslim candidate who was a successful businessman if they claim to have a *plan* for economic recovery? Would their belief system be of no interest to you?

Cappster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:I long for a candidate that doesn't believe in religious fairy tales. If I said I believe the the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were real, I would instantly be discredited and labeled as a wacko. I see no difference between a person who believes in TMNT than a person who believes Joseph Smith, a known con man, is a prophet of God. I don't see how religious beliefs get a "pass" when they directly affect how a person approaches life.

See, you start with the fairy tale thing and I think you're heading to a conclusion which makes sense, you're talking about all religions. But no, it's just Mormons. Gotcha. Mormons are weird, other Religions make sense. Personally while I believe in God, I think all dogmatic beliefs are ridiculous and unnecessary.

I am talking about all religions, but some religions I find more odd than others. They all are bologna to me. I point out Mormons, because there is one running for president and if you weren't so narrowly focused on me saying Mormon then you would see that the very next statement I make addresses how religious beliefs tend to be off limits. That is, unless, you are a black man with a *weird* name.

Do you understand the concept of "value judgements"? YOU find it odd... therefore, it's BAD... it's akin to stereotyping... do you do that, as well?

Cappster wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I'm sorry, but that has to be the stupidest reason to vote for one presidential candidate over another that I've ever heard.

Sooooo you would vote for a Muslim candidate who was a successful businessman if they claim to have a *plan* for economic recovery? Would their belief system be of no interest to you?

don't know about DS... but I would... I don't give a crap what religion someone has... as long as their political, social and economic values are compatible with mine. I don't need to agree 100%... just close enough.

Countertrey wrote:

Cappster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:I long for a candidate that doesn't believe in religious fairy tales. If I said I believe the the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were real, I would instantly be discredited and labeled as a wacko. I see no difference between a person who believes in TMNT than a person who believes Joseph Smith, a known con man, is a prophet of God. I don't see how religious beliefs get a "pass" when they directly affect how a person approaches life.

See, you start with the fairy tale thing and I think you're heading to a conclusion which makes sense, you're talking about all religions. But no, it's just Mormons. Gotcha. Mormons are weird, other Religions make sense. Personally while I believe in God, I think all dogmatic beliefs are ridiculous and unnecessary.

I am talking about all religions, but some religions I find more odd than others. They all are bologna to me. I point out Mormons, because there is one running for president and if you weren't so narrowly focused on me saying Mormon then you would see that the very next statement I make addresses how religious beliefs tend to be off limits. That is, unless, you are a black man with a *weird* name.

Do you understand the concept of "value judgements"? YOU find it odd... therefore, it's BAD... it's akin to stereotyping... do you do that, as well?

Uh, someone believing and donating millions to a fraudulent cause, to me, is a valid concern especially when it comes to someone who could potentially push forth policies that will affect my life. If that isn't a concern for you then I cannot help that.

Countertrey wrote:

Cappster wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I'm sorry, but that has to be the stupidest reason to vote for one presidential candidate over another that I've ever heard.

Sooooo you would vote for a Muslim candidate who was a successful businessman if they claim to have a *plan* for economic recovery? Would their belief system be of no interest to you?

don't know about DS... but I would... I don't give a crap what religion someone has... as long as their political, social and economic values are compatible with mine. I don't need to agree 100%... just close enough.

If what you are saying is true, you are about the only conservative who would vote for someone who does not have a "Christian" based belief system.

Cappster wrote:Uh, someone believing and donating millions to a fraudulent cause, to me, is a valid concern especially when it comes to someone who could potentially push forth policies that will affect my life. If that isn't a concern for you then I cannot help that.

Right, it's all religions, but it's ... THE MORMONS!!!! ...

Bigotry offered as an excuse when you were going to vote for Obama anyway is beyond lame. Obviously it has nothing to do with how you are going to vote.

Has anyone noticed how a tax cut for someone who makes $20,000 is a freebie or a handout but if you multiply by 100 a tax cut for someone making $2,000,000 becomes an incentive to invest?

DarthMonk wrote:Has anyone noticed how a tax cut for someone who makes $20,000 is a freebie or a handout

No one calls any "tax cut" a handout. No one. Making up arguments isn't an indication even you think your position is sound. And how can you cut the taxes of someone who doesn't pay taxes?

DarthMonk wrote:but if you multiply by 100 a tax cut for someone making $2,000,000 becomes an incentive to invest?

100 * zero = zero, so I hope we cut the rich's taxes by more than that.

Right now, 1% of the population pay 40% of all Federal taxes and 5% of taxpayers pay 60% of all taxes. 47% pay zero. Ignoring your plan to torch more jobs so there are more people under $20K, how much is enough for you?

And the answer to your question is they invest it. And the evidence that happens is the entire field of economics. When you can explain how liberal politicians know more then the theory and empirical data of the field of economics, get back to us...

Cappster wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I'm sorry, but that has to be the stupidest reason to vote for one presidential candidate over another that I've ever heard.

Sooooo you would vote for a Muslim candidate who was a successful businessman if they claim to have a *plan* for economic recovery? Would their belief system be of no interest to you?

I would vote for a man who could show improvements overall in our Gov over the last 4 years.

NO Bama has not done so and his job performance is Needs to Improve, no better yet: Failure....sorry charlie

Not willing to give him another shot......

tribeofjudah wrote:

Cappster wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I'm sorry, but that has to be the stupidest reason to vote for one presidential candidate over another that I've ever heard.

Sooooo you would vote for a Muslim candidate who was a successful businessman if they claim to have a *plan* for economic recovery? Would their belief system be of no interest to you?

I would vote for a man who could show improvements overall in our Gov over the last 4 years.

NO Bama has not done so and his job performance is Needs to Improve....sorry charlie

That is the point, Tribe. We're electing a ... President ... not a Minister for our church. The left want to talk about anything and everything else because the one thing that Obama has clearly shown is how badly he blows as President. So deflection, like arguing his religion, is the only option left, isn't it?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Uh, someone believing and donating millions to a fraudulent cause, to me, is a valid concern especially when it comes to someone who could potentially push forth policies that will affect my life. If that isn't a concern for you then I cannot help that.

Right, it's all religions, but it's ... THE MORMONS!!!! ...

Bigotry offered as an excuse when you were going to vote for Obama anyway is beyond lame. Obviously it has nothing to do with how you are going to vote.

Yes, calling someone out for believing in a fraud is bigotry. Got it.

And to add that I haven't fully determined that I am going to vote for Obama yet. I am leaning that way, because it will be the most impactful in regards to keeping Romney out of office.

DarthMonk wrote:Has anyone noticed how a tax cut for someone who makes $20,000 is a freebie or a handout but if you multiply by 100 a tax cut for someone making $2,000,000 becomes an incentive to invest?

Yes, because as we all know, capitalists, love to give out jobs as if they were doing charity work. It has worked so well the past ten years...