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Posted: **Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:54 pm**

I, too hope that he puts together a good 8-10 game stretch. WE ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!!

More than his play, I hope this team puts it together for that span. Because he's going to need it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:56 pm**

PulpExposure wrote:
crazyhorse1 wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:This is what I see. I think that Joe Gibbs came in and built the Redskins to play strong defense, have a crushing running game, and have a passing game that would move the chains. Once you got into the red zone, I think Gibbs intended to just pound the ball into the end zone. Jason Campbell was drafted, and nurtured under Joe Gibbs, to be a game managing QB. That is, a guy who would keep the chains moving and wouldn't make game-killing mistakes. While I think Campbell shows all the signs of being a great game manager (he just doesn't turn the ball over much), that's not what this team needs.

Unfortunately, the team never quite worked out that way under Campbell. After 2005, our running game was never quite that dominant in the red zone, and the front line got old, fast. Instead, we more had to rely on the passing game, and on Campbell to become more than just a a game manager, and into a play maker. Unfortunately, he's shown me no evidence that he's capable of doing that. Sure, his stats are up, but he's so cautious he won't take risks.

However, you put Campbell on the Panthers of last year, and you are maybe talking a Superbowl team, simply because he could lean on that defense and running game, and he would not have thrown 5 picks against the Eagles like Delhomme did, which almost singlehandedly lost the game for them.

But we're not that team. We're a team that can't run the ball, and our supposed strong suit (defense) totally collapsed in the last game. We need someone to make plays in the passing game, and in my opinion, right now, Campbell is the wrong guy for this job. Not saying Collins is the right guy, but I know Campbell isn't right. Wish that Colt wasn't injured anymore so we could see what a young guy could do.

Great creative idea for backing a biased position. Congrats. I also admire your ignoring the lack of competence of the OL.

Lol. I love it. Markshark84 calls me a huge Campbell apologist, and crazyhorse1 thinks I'm a Campbell hater.

There's this thing called a middle position. Perhaps I'm there?

Dude, I was laughing so hard when I read that. I'll go on record saying I do believe you have taken the middle position. I'll retract.....which I am sure you know I hate doing.

I forget what it was about, but I believe that in that post, I mixed you up with another admin.

Posted: **Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:27 pm**

markshark84 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Pulp,
You know at this point (next off season) we really do need to bring in the wrecking ball and totally dismantle this team. I bet you can't run out of fingers before you name players that we can't do with out or are worth building around.

Only problem with that is we need to prepare our selves for several really bad years and this fan base wouldn't stand for it! It really does need to be done!

That's crap. Too many teams have turned around in single years to even believe that crap. We have the guys who can do it for the most part. Plug the holes and get a good coach in here. Miami's done it, Ravens have done it, Jets are doing it, just to name a few.

Vet,
This may be your point, but for all the teams you mentioned, their major change was at the QB position.

Miami - Sparano and Bill Parcells started in 2008 ...and I hardly think Chad Pennington is the reason Miami turned around in 2008.
NY Jets - Rex Ryan 2008, Henry Ellard WR coach, D coordinator (Yes, I know it's Rex's scheme).
Ravens- Harbaugh, Cam Cam 2008, Mattison 2009 (lost Rex Ryan).

Yes, they added QBs as well, but I would hardly say that these teams turned around on the QB alone. I will concede that the QB play does influence the success.

Totally understand this, but this doesn't mean I am wrong. Coaching can have a significant change, but IMHO the QB on the field sets the tone as the leader and ultimately does the most for the offense.

Rex Ryan and Harbargh were defensive guys. The major change in those teams was on the offensive side of the ball. And personally, I don't think after Cameron took the dolphins to 1-15 (which Spurano turned around) and then becomes this offensive juggernaut provides that significant of an arguement.

And while you may not believe that Pennington played a role in the turnaround, I couldn't disagree more. After all he was the NFL runner-up MVP last season. We'll see how they do with him out.

I'll give you Pennington, even though I believe he benefitted immensely from the WildCat, but you also cannot discount Parcells and company coming in and turning the team around. That's what Parcells does, I don't think anyone can deny that.

and if you believe Rex Ryan's defense has nothing to do with the outcome of the Jets games, then I got nothin else to say.

Posted: **Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:37 pm**

Could you imagine how different this team would be with Parcells running the show? It would never happen b/c Snyder own's the team and likes to have too much involvement in the team and it's additions to the roster.

It still would be nice.

Posted: **Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:39 pm**

...sorry for the double post but I just had a great thought.

How much accountability do you guys think this team has? I think that if the coach blasted a few people, it would be a good thing. I would say that Zorn has really only been tough on one person in his tenure and that's JC. Even with that, he hasn't been that tough but he has called him out on his lack of execution last year. What do you guys think about the team overall getting called out when they play poorly.

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