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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:54 pm
by SkinsJock
SkinsFreak wrote:If you listened to Gibbs today, you'll know that he will still be steering the ship in Washington. I'm sure he has already spoken to GW, AS and the rest of the staff and they all know what's going to happen.
If Cowher came in, he'd want full control, as he's said before. Both GW and AS would most likely leave. Gibbs would never allow that after what he has accomplished here and with the direction he's given this organization. The players would be pissed (see JLC's blog from today) and that's all Campbell needs, to learn another system... again.
I guarantee that won't happen under Gibbs watch, and Gibbs said today he plan to stick around for a long time. That doesn't happen if Dan were planning to bring in Cowher.
Now that makes some sense
I am very sure that IF Williams is the head coach he will be successful here - what he did in Buffalo means nothing, that is just not worth discussing.
Gibbs and Snyder are orchestrating this whole process and have a very good idea about what is going on - Gibbs would not want to be a part of anything that does not make sense for the Redskins BUT he also wants it to be "Snyder's decision" - this is going to be fine and will not cause too much concern for the players or the coaches next year - these guys are not going to rock the boat too much more - losing Gibbs is bad enough without making much more of a mess of everything.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:54 pm
by DarthMonk
jeremyroyce wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:.
Belichick did nothing with the Browns. In the 5 years he coached the Browns they had 4 losing seasons
Um he did go 11-5 in in 1994 with the Browns. When was the last time that the Skins finished 11-5? I believe 1991 was the last time that we had a record that was that good.
What does 11-5 do for you when you have 4 losing seasons in 5 years?
BTW - was it still the "suck" division I hear mentioned a lot with regards to Cowher?
DarthMonk
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:06 pm
by LOSTHOG
Very few coaches are successful at multiple stops. George Allen with Rams and Skins. Schottenheimer is probable the most consistent stop to stop guy. Seifert was awesome in SF and not in Carolina. Sam Wyche had success in Cincy but not in Tampa. steve Mariucci had success in San Fran but not Detroit. Jack Pardee sucked as skins coach but later had reasonable success with the Oilers. Shanahan nothing in Oakland but continuously competitive in Denver. What it all means is the past is just that. We have to have someone we think they can win here not because they won somewhere else. The record books are full of guys who were bad with some teams and good with others. It's all about fit.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:28 pm
by SkinsFreak
Redskins.com wrote:Redskins Begin Search For New Head Coach
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
January 8, 2008
With Joe Gibbs' retirement, the Redskins become one of three NFL teams seeking a new head coach.
On Tuesday, Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder said the team is just starting the process of identifying candidates.
"We'll go through the full process, take our time, and make the right decision," he said.
What type of head coach will the team consider? Will maintaining continuity--by possibly promoting an assistant coach--be a factor?
"I don't think things have changed in terms of what I'm looking for," Snyder said during Gibbs's retirement press conference at Redskins Park. "In terms of continuity, it's absolutely very important to me.
"I like where we are. I'm very pleased with the players, coaches and scouts. We're in good shape."
Snyder was asked if he has had any discussions with Bill Cowher, the former Pittsburgh Steelers head coach who is now a television analyst with NBC.
"No, I've not had any conversations with Bill Cowher," Snyder said. "I saw him, I think, at racquetball six years go in Indy."
Another candidate could be Redskins assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams. Several players lobbied for Williams in interviews with media on Tuesday.
Certainly, Gibbs's departure impacts the entire coaching staff.
Gibbs was asked if he would lobby for any current coaches to be promoted or remain with the team.
"I feel real comfortable with whatever Dan decides," Gibbs said. "I think it's real important for the owner to have someone there he feels real comfortable with. I know how Dan feels about the coaching staff here and we know what kind of talent we have.
"But you have to go through a process. He's the right person to make that choice."
With Gibbs also resigning as team president, Snyder was asked if there could be a front office shakeup, or even the hiring of a General Manager.
Replied Snyder: "I think Joe and I have felt very comfortable over the last four years, that it has been working in terms of the front office, and I'm a believer that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. We've done a pretty good job there.
"One of the things you have to look at this season--not only did we make the playoffs under extreme difficult and tragic circumstances, we also were probably one of the most injured teams in the NFL.
"So the guys that stepped in were coached up tremendously and played hard. We're real proud."
I think this is very telling. I like what Dan has said. The players that did speak with the media are lobbying for Williams. Players spoke of how they like and respect Gregg and how he is a 'players coach'. I emphasized the word "But" because that word alone is very telling.
Rotoworld wrote:The Redskins are denying numerous reports that Gregg Williams' contract contains a bonus if he doesn't replace Joe Gibbs as head coach.
Convenient. The Redskins weren't denying it a few years back when Williams signed the contract. Now they may be wary of violating the Rooney Rule. Even if they want to hire Gregg Williams, they must conduct a coaching search.
Link
This also makes a lot of sense and reinforces my belief that GW will be the next HC.
Also, CanesSkins26... why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an adviser if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now
that doesn't make much sense.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:33 pm
by Skinsfan55
"Replied Snyder: "I think Joe and I have felt very comfortable over the last four years, that it has been working in terms of the front office, and I'm a believer that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. We've done a pretty good job there."
It is broke Danny you lame brained moron.
This team has been DYING for lack of a GM since 1992. The fact Danny can't see that because of his own desire to control the team (football operations are NOT his strong suit) is extremely troubling.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:34 pm
by SkinsFreak
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:39 pm
by CanesSkins26
It is broke Danny you lame brained moron.
This team has been DYING for lack of a GM since 1992. The fact Danny can't see that because of his own desire to control the team (football operations are NOT his strong suit) is extremely troubling.
Agreed. Even though Gibbs made some personnel mistakes he appeared to be able to control Snyder. With Gibbs gone that means more of a say in personnel for Snyder and Cerrato, and that is very troubling. We have needed a GM for a long time now and it's disappointing to hear that we wont be getting one.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:40 pm
by spenser
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:40 pm
by PigSkin
Thanks Joe. You're one classy guy -- and you will be missed on the sidelines.
You won with dignity, lost with dignity, admitted your shortcomings and downplayed your successes. You inspired players and shaped people's lives for the better.
Your renewed influence has been felt, in four short years, among the people in this organization. I don't know who will succeed you (although I hope you do), but I hope he is someone who has come under that influence -- and values and upholds your legacy.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:41 pm
by CanesSkins26
Also, CanesSkins26... why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an adviser if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense.
On Comcast they said that Gibbs wasn't even going to keep an office in DC so I'm not sure what exactly you expect his roll as an adviser to be. If he was going to remain involved in the day-to-day dealings of the Skins he wouldn't have resigned as team president.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:51 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:Also, CanesSkins26... why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an adviser if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense.
On Comcast they said that Gibbs wasn't even going to keep an office in DC so I'm not sure what exactly you expect his roll as an adviser to be. If he was going to remain involved in the day-to-day dealings of the Skins he wouldn't have resigned as team president.
Yeah, I guess when Snyder, Gibbs, the organization and just about every damn media outlet reported that Gibbs would stay on as an adviser, they were all lying and trying to just pull a fast one on us.
Gibbs himself said he was planning to stick around for quite a while to "see things through". Gibbs said he was going to be in Washington quite a bit and would be traveling back and forth to Charlotte. Does he need to have an office at Redskins Park to be an adviser for Dan? Every heard of a phone? Could it be possible that Joe might have an office at his home in Washington? Maybe Dan will share his office with Mr. Redskin when he comes to town.
Dude, are you, again, just trying to bash everything the team does?
Edit: Whatever, dude. I know, I know. You want a new head coach, new coordinators, a new GM, a new vice president, a new president, a new director of player personnel, a new owner, new towel boy, new Gatorade cups, new team colors, new uniforms, new stadium, new cheerleaders, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, I get it.
Sorry, I would just hope to read some more positive and supportive posts from you.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:31 pm
by CanesSkins26
SkinsFreak wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Also, CanesSkins26... why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an adviser if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense.
On Comcast they said that Gibbs wasn't even going to keep an office in DC so I'm not sure what exactly you expect his roll as an adviser to be. If he was going to remain involved in the day-to-day dealings of the Skins he wouldn't have resigned as team president.
Yeah, I guess when Snyder, Gibbs, the organization and just about every damn media outlet reported that Gibbs would stay on as an adviser, they were all lying and trying to just pull a fast one on us.
Gibbs himself said he was planning to stick around for quite a while to "see things through". Gibbs said he was going to be in Washington quite a bit and would be traveling back and forth to Charlotte. Does he need to have an office at Redskins Park to be an adviser for Dan? Every heard of a phone? Could it be possible that Joe might have an office at his home in Washington? Maybe Dan will share his office with Mr. Redskin when he comes to town.
Dude, are you, again, just trying to bash everything the team does?
Edit: Whatever, dude. I know, I know. You want a new head coach, new coordinators, a new GM, a new vice president, a new president, a new director of player personnel, a new owner, new towel boy, new Gatorade cups, new team colors, new uniforms, new stadium, new cheerleaders, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, I get it.
Sorry, I would just hope to read some more positive and supportive posts from you.
So with Gibbs mostly out of the picture do you honestly feel comfortable with Danny and Vinny being in charge of the player personnel moves? Do you really think that that is better organizational model than having an experienced GM?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:48 pm
by Champsturf
Wow....after reading 22 pages of this, I'm pooped!
6 weeks ago I would've loved to hear this news. Today, I'm not exactly jumping for joy. What Gibbs did the last month of the season was remarkable. I am very proud of him and his players. I do not think that anyone else could've rallied this team in the way Gibbs did. Gibbs has given this ship a much more even keel. Job well done.
Joe, you will be missed. We can only hope that your "replacement" will be able to continue what YOU started.
Thank you
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:06 pm
by skinzrule
personally, I am happy to see Gibbs go. My feelings have remained the same since midseason. The game has passed him by. I suspect we have been through more coaches the past 10 years than any franchise in the NFL but lets all face the facts, the new Gibbs was a .500 (mediocre) coach. This franchise can do better!
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:32 pm
by CanesSkins26
Whatever, dude. I know, I know. You want a new head coach, new coordinators, a new GM, a new vice president, a new president, a new director of player personnel, a new owner, new towel boy, new Gatorade cups, new team colors, new uniforms, new stadium, new cheerleaders, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, I get it. Rolling Eyes Sorry, I would just hope to read some more positive and supportive posts from you.
I never said I wanted the whole thing blown up. I just happen to think that we need a GM. I've been of that opinion since Snyder took over the team and I still feel that way today.
As for the new coach and continuity, I'm all for continuity and believe that it is very important. But at the same time, we need a coach that can take this team beyond being a 9-7 team. We need a coach that is capable of leading this team to 12 or 13 wins and getting us home field advantage like the Cowboys and Packers have this year. And I've seen nothing from GW that leads me to believe that he is capable of doing that. This team rode an emotional high to win 4 straight and make the playoffs. Gibbs did a hell of a job in rallying the team and it was exciting to see as a fan. However, in my opinion this team still has a pretty long way to go before it is a Super Bowl contender. The Seattle game showed just how overmatched this team is on both lines and even though we will be getting injured players back, our already aging roster is going to be another year older next season. So I think that it's a little ridiculous to just expect that GW can come in, tweak a few things and turn this team into a contender. Until we get younger at certain positions (oline especially), more talented in others (defensive line, wide receiver), and more consistent in certain areas (qb, punter, kicker), this team is going to be a middle of the road NFC team.
And contrary to what you might think, I don't really want Cowher to come in here and blow things up. Him coming in would lead to a major restructuring and that is probably not a good thing at this point. If I was Snyder I would probably hire Russ Grimm. He is a talented coach with close ties to the Skins and in my opinion is the type of coach that could lead this team for the next 10 years.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:44 pm
by SkinsJock
CanesSkins26 wrote:Also, CanesSkins26... why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an adviser if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense.
On Comcast they said that Gibbs wasn't even going to keep an office in DC so I'm not sure what exactly you expect his roll as an adviser to be. If he was going to remain involved in the day-to-day dealings of the Skins he wouldn't have resigned as team president.
You had to listen to what he said - he very much indicated to me in what he said that he would still have a presence here in DC and would be involved with helping this team - that indication was very strongly made by both Gibbs and Snyder.I repeat what was said -
"Why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an advisor if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense." well it may not to you - but you seem to be looking for issues with Gibbs for some time now
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:59 pm
by LOSTHOG
CanesSkins26 wrote: But at the same time, we need a coach that can take this team beyond being a 9-7 team. We need a coach that is capable of leading this team to 12 or 13 wins and getting us home field advantage like the Cowboys and Packers have this year.
Wade Phillips has never had any real success. He has rarely been mediocre, but happened to fall right into something that was ready to win. Why can't Williams do the same.
Hiring Grimm would not upset me. To me he is a real Redskin. However, I think both coordinators would leave because of being passed over. Maybe Grimm wouldn't even want them here. He may want to do things his way.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:59 pm
by jazzskins
Chris Luva Luva wrote:RedskinsFreak wrote:JSPB22 wrote:Does this mean Buges is leaving, too?
I would think Bugel and Breaux are going to be gone. They're part of the Gibbs posse and were here only because Gibbs was.
Nobody would notice if Breaux left.
I am readking every page of this thread. I haven't gotten past this one yet, but I just had to say....That's hilarious!
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:54 am
by SkinsFreak
SkinsJock wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Also, CanesSkins26... why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an adviser if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense.
On Comcast they said that Gibbs wasn't even going to keep an office in DC so I'm not sure what exactly you expect his roll as an adviser to be. If he was going to remain involved in the day-to-day dealings of the Skins he wouldn't have resigned as team president.
You had to listen to what he said - he very much indicated to me in what he said that he would still have a presence here in DC and would be involved with helping this team - that indication was very strongly made by both Gibbs and Snyder.I repeat what was said -
"Why would Gibbs want to stay around and be an advisor if Snyder was just going to bring in a new head coach and staff from outside the organization? Now that doesn't make much sense." well it may not to you - but you seem to be looking for issues with Gibbs for some time now
Yeah, I don't really think Canes has been paying attention... take those blinders off, Canes.
Cowher runs the 3-4 defense and a ball control offense. That in itself will "blow things up".
CanesSkins26 wrote:So with Gibbs mostly out of the picture do you honestly feel comfortable with Danny and Vinny being in charge of the player personnel moves? Do you really think that that is better organizational model than having an experienced GM?
Once again, evidence that you haven't been paying attention. Gibbs will not be "mostly out of the picture". Gibbs will be advising Snyder on most issues, including player personnel moves.
I think it's become quite obvious that you simply don't care what is "currently" being said and done by the organization and the players themselves. And for someone who puts so much emphasis on past failures by this team and others, you are now carelessly wanting them to do the same again. Not very logical.
And if you think for one second, that Cowher wouldn't come in and blow things up, change everything offensively and defensively, and take full control, that proves to me and others that you know nothing about Cowher. Therefore, you're ignorantly campaigning for a guy you know nothing about. I don't mean that in a derogatory fashion, but you posts would support that fact.
Re: Gibbs to resign as coach of Washington Redskins
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:11 am
by REDEEMEDSKIN
WHAAAAAAAAT??????!!!!! 
Has this been confirmed?
Please say it ain't so, Joe.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:46 am
by BnGhog
SkinsFreak wrote:Once again, evidence that you haven't been paying attention. Gibbs will not be "mostly out of the picture". Gibbs will be advising Snyder on most issues, including player personnel moves.
I think this is mostly wishfull thinking. It will be nice. But this is just what the PR department told him to say. I mean, Gibbs probably said when he told Snyder that he was resigning that he would stick around and help if need be. Then he says this in the press confrence so that there is no panic by the fans.
SkinsFreak wrote:I think it's become quite obvious that you simply don't care what is "currently" being said and done by the organization and the players themselves. And for someone who puts so much emphasis on past failures by this team and others, you are now carelessly wanting them to do the same again. Not very logical.
And if you think for one second, that Cowher wouldn't come in and blow things up, change everything offensively and defensively, and take full control, that proves to me and others that you know nothing about Cowher. Therefore, you're ignorantly campaigning for a guy you know nothing about. I don't mean that in a derogatory fashion, but you posts would support that fact.
Sure its not logical to think that the current payers aren't how Cowher would have hand picked. All this will take is Cowher needing someone, be a coach or players. He will just simply tell Danny "we won't be sucessfull in my system without my guys, my coachs, or my type of players. I mean we would need some different players to play the 3-4. Plus, he will want a bigger back than CP. If he doesn't do it the first year, it will happen in his second, after he is not 10-6 on the season.
If he hires Cowher, Cowher will be HC then and makeing the millions. Even if Gibbs is in the meeting with the three, and Cowher is telling Dan that we need the changes. It will go like this
Cowher / We need _______ coach. And _______ players to be sucessfull in my style of football.
Danny / I dunno, what do you think Joe
Joe / I like the guys we have.
Cowher / But the guys you have fit your system not mine, I need my type of guys to run my offense and my deffense. If I don't have the right people it just won't work.
Danny / Joe he says it won't work with these guys.
Joe / They worked for me, but I don't know his sytem and what he wants to do.
Danny / That it. Just go ahead and do what you need to do.
Joe may complain about it, but when push comes to shove, it will be Cowhers team at that point.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:12 am
by Bob 0119
It's like Y2K!
Joe Gibbs retires and suddenly Dan Snyder will roll back to the year 2000!
Wonder if he'll fire Norv again and try and bring Deion Saunders back! Why I bet that big dummy is on the phone with Steve Spurrier right now tryin' to see if the "Ol' Ball Coach" wants to give 'er another go.
Or maybe some of us are just being a tad ridiculous...
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:44 am
by Snout
The speculation is getting ridiculous.
In today's NFL, a coach is likely to want some control over personnel decisisions. That puts the Gibbs-as-advisor-plus-Cerrato system on the negotiation table. If Williams becomes the head coach, Gibbs and Vinny may stay on. If an outsider becomes head coach, that system will probably be revisted or completely scrapped.
Depending on the situation, Gibbs may have an advisory role, or he may not. It really depends on what the new coach negotiates for and wins. I think that is why Gibbs was so circumspect about his new role. If they hire a guy with a big ego who demands full control, then Gibbs' role must be relegated to the background. If they hire a member of the coaching staff who will accept any front office structure without question, then they can be more specific about Gibbs new role.
Wait and see how things pan out.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:53 am
by JansenFan
It is my impression that Gibbs is in an advisory role to Dan Snyder, not necessarily for specific football decisions, but for direction and guidance.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:12 pm
by SkinsJock
BnGhog wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:Once again, evidence that you haven't been paying attention. Gibbs will not be "mostly out of the picture". Gibbs will be advising Snyder on most issues, including player personnel moves.
I think this is mostly wishfull thinking. It will be nice. But this is just what the PR department told him to say. I mean, Gibbs probably said when he told Snyder that he was resigning that he would stick around and help if need be. Then he says this in the press confrence so that there is no panic by the fans.
SkinsFreak wrote:I think it's become quite obvious that you simply don't care what is "currently" being said and done by the organization and the players themselves. And for someone who puts so much emphasis on past failures by this team and others, you are now carelessly wanting them to do the same again. Not very logical.
And if you think for one second, that Cowher wouldn't come in and blow things up, change everything offensively and defensively, and take full control, that proves to me and others that you know nothing about Cowher. Therefore, you're ignorantly campaigning for a guy you know nothing about. I don't mean that in a derogatory fashion, but you posts would support that fact.
Sure its not logical to think that the current payers aren't how Cowher would have hand picked. All this will take is Cowher needing someone, be a coach or players. He will just simply tell Danny "we won't be sucessfull in my system without my guys, my coachs, or my type of players. I mean we would need some different players to play the 3-4. Plus, he will want a bigger back than CP. If he doesn't do it the first year, it will happen in his second, after he is not 10-6 on the season.
If he hires Cowher, Cowher will be HC then and makeing the millions. Even if Gibbs is in the meeting with the three, and Cowher is telling Dan that we need the changes. It will go like this
Cowher / We need _______ coach. And _______ players to be sucessfull in my style of football.
Danny / I dunno, what do you think Joe
Joe / I like the guys we have.
Cowher / But the guys you have fit your system not mine, I need my type of guys to run my offense and my deffense. If I don't have the right people it just won't work.
Danny / Joe he says it won't work with these guys.
Joe / They worked for me, but I don't know his sytem and what he wants to do.
Danny / That it. Just go ahead and do what you need to do.
Joe may complain about it, but when push comes to shove, it will be Cowhers team at that point.
- this is really just so out of touch - you should be doing something more creative with your life - maybe you already are - you're pulling my leg but it's time to start on the other one, please