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brad7686 wrote: Todd McShay: I agree, Marc. Briggs is obviously a very good player, but I think it helps a lot playing with his supporting cast -- Urlacher, DT Harris, DE Ogunleye, etc. The 'Skins hate drafting. I don't get it. They can sit at No. 6 and get the best defensive player in this year's draft if they want. I'd like to see them take DE Gaines Adams to improve their horrid pass rush (19 sacks) from a year ago.

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote: Todd McShay: I agree, Marc. Briggs is obviously a very good player, but I think it helps a lot playing with his supporting cast -- Urlacher, DT Harris, DE Ogunleye, etc. The 'Skins hate drafting. I don't get it. They can sit at No. 6 and get the best defensive player in this year's draft if they want. I'd like to see them take DE Gaines Adams to improve their horrid pass rush (19 sacks) from a year ago.

We hear this a lot and there is some truth to it, but it is also exaggerated a bit. Currently, half of our 22 starters were drafted by us.

Campbell
Betts
ey
Samuels
Jansen
Cartwright
Taylor
Rogers
Golston
Smoot
McIntosh

That's not as bad as some would suggest. There are some good players there as well. And that doesn't take into account others that were drafted for depth, like Doughty, Kili Lefotu and Montgomery. We always say it should be a balance of both, free agency and the draft. Is that not balance?

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote: Todd McShay: I agree, Marc. Briggs is obviously a very good player, but I think it helps a lot playing with his supporting cast -- Urlacher, DT Harris, DE Ogunleye, etc. The 'Skins hate drafting. I don't get it. They can sit at No. 6 and get the best defensive player in this year's draft if they want. I'd like to see them take DE Gaines Adams to improve their horrid pass rush (19 sacks) from a year ago.

We hear this a lot and there is some truth to it, but it is also exaggerated a bit. Currently, half of our 22 starters were drafted by us.

Campbell
Betts
ey
Samuels
Jansen
Cartwright
Taylor
Rogers
Golston
Smoot
McIntosh

That's not as bad as some would suggest. There are some good players there as well. And that doesn't take into account others that were drafted for depth, like Doughty, Kili Lefotu and Montgomery. We always say it should be a balance of both, free agency and the draft. Is that not balance?

steve09ru wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote: Todd McShay: I agree, Marc. Briggs is obviously a very good player, but I think it helps a lot playing with his supporting cast -- Urlacher, DT Harris, DE Ogunleye, etc. The 'Skins hate drafting. I don't get it. They can sit at No. 6 and get the best defensive player in this year's draft if they want. I'd like to see them take DE Gaines Adams to improve their horrid pass rush (19 sacks) from a year ago.

We hear this a lot and there is some truth to it, but it is also exaggerated a bit. Currently, half of our 22 starters were drafted by us.

Campbell
Betts
ey
Samuels
Jansen
Cartwright
Taylor
Rogers
Golston
Smoot
McIntosh

That's not as bad as some would suggest. There are some good players there as well. And that doesn't take into account others that were drafted for depth, like Doughty, Kili Lefotu and Montgomery. We always say it should be a balance of both, free agency and the draft. Is that not balance?

Betts- isn't the starter
Cartwright- kickoff returns
Golston- only started due to injury
McIntosh- not a starter

so that leaves 7 starters who we drafted over the last while that are actually starting...

There is good talent there, but it is not exaggerated at all. how many picks do we have this year? 4 that is pathetic...we simply like to trade our picks away. it's as simple as that. BUT we are still getting a first rounder if the Brigg's deal goes through...and a probowl linebacker

steve09ru wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

brad7686 wrote: Todd McShay: I agree, Marc. Briggs is obviously a very good player, but I think it helps a lot playing with his supporting cast -- Urlacher, DT Harris, DE Ogunleye, etc. The 'Skins hate drafting. I don't get it. They can sit at No. 6 and get the best defensive player in this year's draft if they want. I'd like to see them take DE Gaines Adams to improve their horrid pass rush (19 sacks) from a year ago.

We hear this a lot and there is some truth to it, but it is also exaggerated a bit. Currently, half of our 22 starters were drafted by us.

Campbell
Betts
ey
Samuels
Jansen
Cartwright
Taylor
Rogers
Golston
Smoot
McIntosh

That's not as bad as some would suggest. There are some good players there as well. And that doesn't take into account others that were drafted for depth, like Doughty, Kili Lefotu and Montgomery. We always say it should be a balance of both, free agency and the draft. Is that not balance?

Betts- isn't the starter
Cartwright- kickoff returns
Golston- only started due to injury
McIntosh- not a starter

so that leaves 7 starters who we drafted over the last while that are actually starting...

There is good talent there, but it is not exaggerated at all. how many picks do we have this year? 4 that is pathetic...we simply like to trade our picks away. it's as simple as that. BUT we are still getting a first rounder if the Brigg's deal goes through...and a probowl linebacker

There is good talent there, but it is not exaggerated at all. how many picks do we have this year? 4 that is pathetic...

Linebackers on the Move

March 29, 2007

The Eagles added punch to their defense this week by adding Buffalo's Takeo Spikes and the Giants reshuffled their deck at linebacker by brinigng in Kansas City's Kawika Mitchell.
Dallas basically was quiet on the linebacker front but the Redskins already have made major moves in that area and there are suggestions of additional possibilities. All of a sudden, then, it appears the NFC East is the place to be if you're an established linebacker looking for a new address.

The Redskins already have added middle linebacker London Fletcher from the Bills and the reports about the possibility that Lance Briggs of the Bears may be heading to Washington aren't going away.

The Redskins have discussed a trade for the disgruntled Chicago linebacker, NFL.com reported Wednesday. The talented Briggs has told the defending NFC champs he may sit out the 2007 season after Bears placed a franchise tag on him.


London Fletcher hopes to be the top catch
According to the NFL.com report, Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, told a Chicago-area newspaper: "The two teams have talked and it's in their hands now."

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo, in Phoenix for the NFL meetings, said there was no timetable for such a proposed deal. Briggs and Angelo met in Phoenix on Monday, as has been widely reported.

As the franchise designee, Briggs, a two-time Pro Bowl linebacker, would earn $7.2 million in 2007 from the Bears, the average of the five highest salaries at his position.

Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs told reporters in Phoenix Wednesday that a deal involving Briggs is not "imminent."

For now, the Redskins hold a precious pick-No. 6-in the first round of the April 28-29 NFL Draft while the Bears' first-round pick is far down the line at No. 31.

Chicago has tried to work out a long-term deal with Briggs but has not been successful. When the Bears applied the franchise tag on Briggs, they prohibited him from going on the open market. Those events did not sit well with the linebacker, it's fair to say.

According to reports, on Monday Briggs met briefly with Angelo and the player called the meeting a "positive" step.

The 26-year-old Briggs, who played his college ball at Arizona, is regarded as one of the NFL's top young linebackers. Of this, there is little doubt.

He's coming off two straight Pro Bowl years with the Bears, who possess one of the NFL's toughest defenses year-in and year-out. That defense has been spearheaded by outstanding play from linebackers Brian Urlacher and Briggs.

In the offseason, the Redskins made efforts to upgrade their linebacker group by reaching out for Fletcher, who figures to start in the middle, where Lemar Marshall had been stationed.

Marcus Washington was injured in the latter stages of 2006 but has been working his way back into shape for 2007.

Marshall and second-year player Rocky McIntosh are also in the mix for assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams and new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti.

So far, in a survey of the NFC East, Fletcher, Spikes and Mitchell have been the big names on the move in terms of linebackers.

New York had some level of interest in Denver's Al Wilson before settling for Mitchell. He'll move outside with Antonio Pierce remaining in the middle. Also, the Giants parted company with LaVar Arrington and Carlos Emmons.

Philly has struggled at linebacker and Spikes, part of the trade that cost the Eagles defensive tackle Darwin Walker, could be an answer. In another linebacker transaction, Shawn Barber left Philadelphia for Houston.

It's become a position regarding which you really have to stay tuned. As things now stand, the Redskins are hoping Fletcher is the linebacker who turns out to have the most significant impact.

SkinsFreak wrote:Even if our personnel stayed exactly the same, what makes you think the sack numbers would remain the same next year? Remember, Griffin, Salave'a, Daniels, and Wynn all sustained injuries last year, and that many injuries is somewhat of a fluke. Also, Williams didn't blitz as much last year because our secondary was getting scorched. LB's, DB's and safeties are ALL blitzers and all add to sack totals in Williams' schemes.

Gibbs4Life wrote:The worst thing that could have happened to us in this deal happened...the media got the terms and then they basically told the bears well Mark Schlereth on ESPN said "hopefully the bears can sweeten that deal" and so now chicago is "preparing a counter offer" Personally I like the deal as it was and I don't think we should sweeten the deal in anyway...WE HAVE THE 6th pick OVERALL, people have given up entire drafts for less, No to the counter offer let the original offer stand.

Justice Hog wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:The worst thing that could have happened to us in this deal happened...the media got the terms and then they basically told the bears well Mark Schlereth on ESPN said "hopefully the bears can sweeten that deal" and so now chicago is "preparing a counter offer" Personally I like the deal as it was and I don't think we should sweeten the deal in anyway...WE HAVE THE 6th pick OVERALL, people have given up entire drafts for less, No to the counter offer let the original offer stand.

Didn't the Saints give us everything they had for the #5 pick back in the day to draft Ricky Williams? If memory serves me correctly, didn't we drop to #8 that year and still pick up Champ?

SkinsFreak wrote:Betts - ok, technically not classified as a starter, but plays in every game, it's a two back system.

Golston - still started 14 of 16 games last year.

Cartwright - ok, agreed, not one of the "22" starters, but still plays in every game and has a significant role as a KR.

McIntosh - finished the year as a starter, and is projected to be a starter, if we don't take Briggs. If he isn't starter quality, why then do we say we don't need Briggs?

And I'm assuming that our 1st round pick will be a starter this year.

There is good talent there, but it is not exaggerated at all. how many picks do we have this year? 4 that is pathetic...

If we had... say... 10 picks in this years draft, how many of them would you predict would actually make the final 53-man roster? And after you finish with that, let us now who you'd cut to make room for all those rookies.

steve09ru wrote:I'll agree with Bett's...but McIntosh...started 12 games and got 1/2 a sack...and third amongst the dline in total tackles. And Rocky will not be starting this year or is not projected to...

steve09ru wrote:No rookie will start in our defensive until 6th or 7th week...maybe a week or two earlier if 100% necessary.

steveo9ru wrote:I look for a trade to involve McIntosh and our 6th, for Briggs, their 31st, and 3-5th rounder...which would be a respectable trade if u ask me.