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Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:00 pm**

Roll out and throw deep to Jackson and then delayed draw with Morris. That will help keep the rush honest.

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:05 pm**

FLWSkin wrote:Roll out and throw deep to Jackson and then delayed draw with Morris. That will help keep the rush honest.

We thinkin' alike on this one.

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:09 pm**

markshark84 wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
markshark84 wrote:So I guess you are saying you have ABSOLUTELY NO FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE??????

And are you in politics? If not, you should be. You've deflected every question I have asked that would back you into a corner and brought in things that were never even being discussed in an effort to diverge from the actual point. And we can't fail to mention taken statements out of context.

I assume, in typical politician fashion, you will either not answer the multiple-asked question, divert by replying to another point within my response totally unrelated to the actual conversation, or bring up something else totally unrelated altoghether....... I'll get a kick out of reading it.

You're the one who keeps trying to change the topic by setting up some kind of straw man about whether or not my saying that RGIII was also a Shanny pick meant I was was in the room on draft day. I think it's funny that you used the emoticon in your response to my previous post. You don't seem to know when to stop embarrasing yourself.

Countertrey wrote: ^^^ OUCH!

Nice. You went with none of the above and instead reverted to name calling without making a single point.

Change the topic????? My first and only question to you was whether you had first hand knowledge of the factual statement you provided in your intial post to me. Is that not true? That WAS the topic. Instead of directly answering the initial question, you shuffled around it by infering opinions and saying my posts were absurd based on assumptions YOU made that I NEVER SAID ---- see "This has to be your most absurd post ever. Are you really saying that Cousins was a Shanahan pick at the same time you're saying that RGIII was not?" ---- I never said or inferred that (and the fact I used the word REVERT as it related to Danny's involvement should have proved otherwise.... ). I merely agreed with OS as it related to Danny and interfering moving forward. Is this not true? Had I wanted to agree with Cousins and RGIII, I would have said so as I did with Danny and his meddling.

Your posts are getting more absurd. I look forward to seeing what incorrect information you will infer about my posts next.......

Look, I don't read OldSchool's posts, I have him on ignore, so the only time I see them is when someone quotes him, like you did. I then gave this response:

Deadskins wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
OldSchool wrote:Changing the QB is in my opinion is Dan Snyder's decision, I think Snyder made it clear to Gruden when he was hired he was tasked with turning Griffin into a fully able NFL QB, giving the job to Cousins a Shanahan pick is not an option.

Agree. Danny will ultimately revert back to his meddling ways. He can't help it; egomaniacs rarely can.

That you would agree with OS, should be reason enough to doubt your stance is valid. BTW, Griffin was a Shanahan pick too.

To which you replied:

markshark84 wrote:So I assume you were there in the draft room when we made the RGIII pick?

Now, a reasonable person would have understood that both players being taken in the same draft, by the same coach and defacto GM (there were dozens of press conferences where Shanny said he had the ultimate say-so on personnel), would mean that they were chosen by the same person. And a reasonable person would also have understood that since you didn't make the remark about the Cousins pick, that the response wasn't targeted at you. But you took it upon yourself to challenge my response, so that can only mean that you agreed with the entirety of OS's post and not just the meddling Snyder part, as you now claim. Not to mention that I, and about 20 million other football fans were watching the draft live on TV, so in a way, yes, I was in the draft room on that day.

But instead of just letting it go as an opinion on a message board, you attempted to to deny you ever even quoted OS or agreed with him, and tried to make the issue about whether or not I had first hand knowledge of the process that went into making our 1st and 4th round picks in 2012. Then you accused me of changing the subject, called me a politician, said I called you names (please show me where), and just beat this dead horse into the ground. I'm done. If you don't think RGIII and Cousins were both Shanny picks, then more power to you. I think it's patently obvious that they were, and I'd be willing to wager that over 90% of this board agrees with me on that point. Please let this discussion die now.

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:17 pm**

Deadskins wrote:
markshark84 wrote:Now, a reasonable person would have understood that both players being taken in the same draft, by the same coach and defacto GM (there were dozens of press conferences where Shanny said he had the ultimate say-so on personnel), would mean that they were chosen by the same person. And a reasonable person would also have understood that since you didn't make the remark about the Cousins pick, that the response wasn't targeted at you. But you took it upon yourself to challenge my response, so that can only mean that you agreed with the entirety of OS's post and not just the meddling Snyder part, as you now claim. Not to mention that I, and about 20 million other football fans were watching the draft live on TV, so in a way, yes, I was in the draft room on that day.

But instead of just letting it go as an opinion on a message board, you attempted to to deny you ever even quoted OS or agreed with him, and tried to make the issue about whether or not I had first hand knowledge of the process that went into making our 1st and 4th round picks in 2012. Then you accused me of changing the subject, called me a politician, said I called you names (please show me where), and just beat this dead horse into the ground. I'm done. If you don't think RGIII and Cousins were both Shanny picks, then more power to you. I think it's patently obvious that they were, and I'd be willing to wager that over 90% of this board agrees with me on that point. Please let this discussion die now.

There are certain statements I contest, but agree this entire discussion needs to die and will refrain. My final thoughts:
- I do think RGIII and Cousins were MS picks (but honestly have no clue). I am in that 90% (and concur that >90% on this board also agree). My response was more because I have a pet peeve when people make statements as if they are fact in an effort to make their arguements sound better --- especially when one of your statements -- that BA hired MS, when it was pretty clear Danny had been courting MS for perhaps a year (based on some media outlets, message boards, etc.) prior to BA's hiring and MS had a higher position of authority over BA while in DC --- was not accurate.

- The fact that you called my post "absurd" was what fired me up. Had you not made that statement, I most likely wouldn't have responded --- or proved a much shorter, more diplomatic response. I was more challenging the fact that my post was not absurd and that instead your reaction was.

- The fact I challenged your response doesn't mean that I agree with everything said by the person I cite. If I agree with 100% of what a poster provides, I response with "agree" and nothing more.

- And if you call me out, expect this type of back and forth.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:58 am**

ey says he expects a lot of bubble screens, and roll out short passes to get the offense rolling. I think this is most likely what we will see initially.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:49 am**

StorminMormon86 wrote:C00ley says he expects a lot of bubble screens, and roll out short passes to get the offense rolling. I think this is most likely what we will see initially.

I'd like to see that. I think the worst thing that could happen Sunday would be to start with a couple three and outs. Need to get the offense moving and RGIII feeling confident.

Side note: I will be equally pleased if Gruden calls for and Griffin hits on an 80 yd TD bomb to DJax on their first play.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:11 pm**

Countertrey wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:C00ley says he expects a lot of bubble screens, and roll out short passes to get the offense rolling. I think this is most likely what we will see initially.

I'd like to see that. I think the worst thing that could happen Sunday would be to start with a couple three and outs. Need to get the offense moving and RGIII feeling confident.

Side note: I will be equally pleased if Gruden calls for and Griffin hits on an 80 yd TD bomb to DJax on t play.

...and, I suspect that Houston will aniticipate that, cover with someone over the top, and send an extra rusher or two, just to see if Bob is for real. Could be hugely exciting... or terribly sucky...

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:23 pm**

Countertrey wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:C00ley says he expects a lot of bubble screens, and roll out short passes to get the offense rolling. I think this is most likely what we will see initially.

I'd like to see that. I think the worst thing that could happen Sunday would be to start with a couple three and outs. Need to get the offense moving and RGIII feeling confident.

Side note: I will be equally pleased if Gruden calls for and Griffin hits on an 80 yd TD bomb to DJax on their first play.

...and, I suspect that Houston will aniticipate that, cover with someone over the top, and send an extra rusher or two, just to see if Bob is for real. Could be hugely exciting... or terribly sucky...

It would be kind of a Kyle move, wouldn't it? So yeah Houston of all teams should definitely be on the lookout for that.

Secondary might be the weak spot for Houston btw.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... ns-preview

Ganguli: That'll be a big challenge to start the year for the Texans' secondary. It's going to look very different from how it has in the past, with starter Kareem Jackson taking a lot of slot responsibilities. He is a more physical corner, well suited to playing inside, where those defensive holding penalties are a little more forgiving. Johnathan Joseph is the Texans' other starter and he missed the entire preseason while managing his recovery from foot surgery in January. Joseph says he's ready to go, but how much he does isn't yet clear. Beyond those two players is A.J. Bouye, a talented but unproven cornerback who was an undrafted rookie last season. How he does against Washington's speed will tell me (and him for that matter) a lot about who he is as a defensive back.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:46 pm**

Remember when the Bengals came out against us and threw that flea flicker on the very first play? I wouldn't be too surprised if Gruden pulls something similar.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:14 pm**

StorminMormon86 wrote:Remember when the Bengals came out against us and threw that flea flicker on the very first play? I wouldn't be too surprised if Gruden pulls something similar.

Or Vick to DJax on Monday night.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:22 pm**

Deadskins wrote:Or Vick to DJax on Monday night.

Please don't remind me of that massacre.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:17 pm**

riggofan wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:C00ley says he expects a lot of bubble screens, and roll out short passes to get the offense rolling. I think this is most likely what we will see initially.

I'd like to see that. I think the worst thing that could happen Sunday would be to start with a couple three and outs. Need to get the offense moving and RGIII feeling confident.

Side note: I will be equally pleased if Gruden calls for and Griffin hits on an 80 yd TD bomb to DJax on their first play.

It would be kind of a Kyle move, wouldn't it? So yeah Houston of all teams should definitely be on the lookout for that.

Secondary might be the weak spot for Houston btw.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... ns-preview
Ganguli: That'll be a big challenge to start the year for the Texans' secondary. It's going to look very different from how it has in the past, with starter Kareem Jackson taking a lot of slot responsibilities. He is a more physical corner, well suited to playing inside, where those defensive holding penalties are a little more forgiving. Johnathan Joseph is the Texans' other starter and he missed the entire preseason while managing his recovery from foot surgery in January. Joseph says he's ready to go, but how much he does isn't yet clear. Beyond those two players is A.J. Bouye, a talented but unproven cornerback who was an undrafted rookie last season. How he does against Washington's speed will tell me (and him for that matter) a lot about who he is as a defensive back.

I honestly don't see short outside passing to be the correct strategy given the defense we're playing. HOU has Watt, Clowney, Brooks, and Cushing in their front 7. Their weaknesses are at NT, RDE, and DB. I still feel Morris is our best offensive player and would like to see us establish the run (preferable to the right side) in an effort to open up downfield passing lanes. Dink and dunk won't work against this group as long as everyone on their D is as healthy as they claim to be. Don't get me wrong, there are some major holes in the HOU D, but they have some great players.

As long as our OL can adequately protect against HOU's front 7, RGIII should be getting VERY VERY good 20+ yard downfield looks from DJ and Garcon (and Roberts and Moss --- man we have a good WR core) once they break free into the transitional DB coverages. RGIII should have marked this game down as his "break out" opportunity.

HOU's offense is still horrible. Fitzpatrick is horrible, Foster is grossly overrated, and Johnson is still angry he's in HOU. If we don't hold their O to under 17 points, we will have some SERIOUS issues holding decent teams to 30 this year.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:17 pm**

riggofan wrote:
riggofan wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:C00ley says he expects a lot of bubble screens, and roll out short passes to get the offense rolling. I think this is most likely what we will see initially.

I'd like to see that. I think the worst thing that could happen Sunday would be to start with a couple three and outs. Need to get the offense moving and RGIII feeling confident.

Side note: I will be equally pleased if Gruden calls for and Griffin hits on an 80 yd TD bomb to DJax on their first play.

It would be kind of a Kyle move, wouldn't it? So yeah Houston of all teams should definitely be on the lookout for that.

Secondary might be the weak spot for Houston btw.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... ns-preview
Ganguli: That'll be a big challenge to start the year for the Texans' secondary. It's going to look very different from how it has in the past, with starter Kareem Jackson taking a lot of slot responsibilities. He is a more physical corner, well suited to playing inside, where those defensive holding penalties are a little more forgiving. Johnathan Joseph is the Texans' other starter and he missed the entire preseason while managing his recovery from foot surgery in January. Joseph says he's ready to go, but how much he does isn't yet clear. Beyond those two players is A.J. Bouye, a talented but unproven cornerback who was an undrafted rookie last season. How he does against Washington's speed will tell me (and him for that matter) a lot about who he is as a defensive back.

I honestly don't see short outside passing to be the correct strategy given the defense we're playing. HOU has Watt, Clowney, Brooks, and Cushing in their front 7. Their weaknesses are at NT, RDE, and DB. I still feel Morris is our best offensive player and would like to see us establish the run (preferable to the right side) in an effort to open up downfield passing lanes. Dink and dunk won't work against this group as long as everyone on their D is as healthy as they claim to be. Don't get me wrong, there are some major holes in the HOU D, but they have some great players.

As long as our OL can adequately protect against HOU's front 7, RGIII should be getting VERY VERY good 20+ yard downfield looks from DJ and Garcon (and Roberts and Moss --- man we have a good WR core) once they break free into the transitional DB coverages. RGIII should have marked this game down as his "break out" opportunity.

HOU's offense is still horrible. Fitzpatrick is horrible, Foster is grossly overrated, and Johnson is still angry he's in HOU. If we don't hold their O to under 17 points, we will have some SERIOUS issues holding decent teams to 30 this year.

Posted: **Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:20 pm**

I wouldn't say Fitzpatrick is horrible. He's serviceable. There is a difference. Remember how he torched us when he was on Buffalo? He does have the ability to play elite in a random amount of games per year it seems like. I'm not writing him off, nor am I afraid of his ability. With that being said, I do agree that the key to winning this game is establishing the run game and hoping to God Morris has a Ryan Torrain vs. the Giants kind of day.

The only problem I see with the deep routes is Houston's pass rush. I have some concerns with our O-Line to being able to sustain a pocket long enough for Griffin to get a deep look. And once that pocket collapses, who knows what Griffin is going to do. Sunday can't come fast enough.

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:59 am**

Just saw a piece on Griffin on Campusinsiders.com - http://bleacherreport.com/tb/ddTt2?utm_ ... n-redskins

this 24 year old kid is impressive

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:11 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:this 24 year old kid is impressive

People have forgotten. They're going to be reminded soon.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:03 pm**

Well the first game. I think he improved from last year and the preseason games. But, he still needs work.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:02 pm**

EA7649 wrote:Well the first game. I think he improved from last year and the preseason games. But, he still needs work.

OK - but we all knew it would take time - I thought that he clearly showed that he's going to be a good NFL QB

some do not realize that this is in effect his first season playing in the NFL - he's showing that he can be the type of QB that Jay Gruden wants him to be and that is huge - many were thinking he would not be able to play like that

HUGE IMPROVEMENT AT QB - I am so encouraged

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:19 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:
EA7649 wrote:Well the first game. I think he improved from last year and the preseason games. But, he still needs work.

OK - but we all knew it would take time - I thought that he clearly showed that he's going to be a good NFL QB

some do not realize that this is in effect his first season playing in the NFL - he's showing that he can be the type of QB that Jay Gruden wants him to be and that is huge - many were thinking he would not be able to play like that

HUGE IMPROVEMENT AT QB - I am so encouraged

Yes and hopefully Cousins talk doesn't overwhelm the Redskins. I think he's the real deal and can be a good qb. It'll take a little time, but it will work out. We shall see when he spreads the offense more this season.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:21 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:some do not realize that this is in effect his first season playing in the NFL

How do you figure?

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:50 pm**

Deadskins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:some do not realize that this is in effect his first season playing in the NFL

How do you figure?

Thanks for the laugh. Now that I calmed down and didn't kick the TV (thank GOD I don't have a dog) I can now turn the page and go on with life. It's just a silly game and I need to stop getting wrapped up in this stuff. FIDO oh Fido!!!! Come here boy...

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:06 pm**

Deadskins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:some do not realize that this is in effect his first season playing in the NFL

How do you figure?

easy - Kyle and Mike did not prepare him for the NFL instead they decided to use a gimmick style offense

this year we have seen Jay and Sean try to get him better prepared to play in a pro style offense :lol:

I like trying to help you out ... it's been years and it's obviously not working :twisted:

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:57 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:some do not realize that this is in effect his first season playing in the NFL

How do you figure?

easy - Kyle and Mike did not prepare him for the NFL instead they decided to use a gimmick style offense

this year we have seen Jay and Sean try to get him better prepared to play in a pro style offense

Putting aside your ridiculous argument about the system, this is his third season facing NFL defenses. Even you have to see that. :roll:

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:29 am**

what we're seeing is a QB that is being coached to play QB in the NFL ...

Griffin has had 2 years playing but not the way that these guys want him to

btw - congrats you finally made the ignore list :twisted:

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:49 am**

SkinsJock wrote:btw - congrats you finally made the ignore list

Well, at least there's that. :lol:

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