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Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:31 pm
by Neo
SkinsJock wrote:there is little chance that Griff does not markedly improve and I doubt that we let Cousins go for just a high draft pick because we'd still need a quality back up
Right but that will only work for so long. His contract will soon expire and I don't think we could buy him out in light of other crucial contracts/new signings.
I'd love to keep the Captain, I just don't think its going to be possible. Hoping as well that we get a high draft pick for him. My guess is a high 2nd rounder.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:34 pm
by Neo
VRIEL1 wrote:Several things come to mind but...
RG3 is currently better with the Spread/Read Option scheme.
Cousins is better in a traditional WCO as a pocket passer.
I think it boils down to what system you are wanting to run. or... which QB your going to hang your future on. Yes RG3 has the most potential but potential is worth a hill of beans if you never reach it. ie; Jason Campbell. So at this point I'd say Cousins is the better QB based off his training and experience in a pro system in college. and Since the NFL/Pros usually do not use a college style of ball then Cousins is the better choice. However if the Redskins are 100% sold on RG3 and he's the face of the team and there is no turning back then the team better find a Spread/Read Option coach to get the most out of him now while he's young and mobile. RG3 can always work on his pocket presence and reading defenses for later when he's forced to be a pocket passer like Vick and McNabb were.
Agreed, but I think RG3 will be much better next year in the pocket with an entire offseason & possible new coach to condition him.
All things considered, he played poor, great, and average all year, but that was him being thrown into the fire. Imagine what he will do with a full offseason & fully strengthened knee.
I'm glad this year is over, and believe our better days are soon to come.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:37 pm
by Neo
Neo wrote:VRIEL1 wrote:Several things come to mind but...
RG3 is currently better with the Spread/Read Option scheme.
Cousins is better in a traditional WCO as a pocket passer.
I think it boils down to what system you are wanting to run. or... which QB your going to hang your future on. Yes RG3 has the most potential but potential is worth a hill of beans if you never reach it. ie; Jason Campbell. So at this point I'd say Cousins is the better QB based off his training and experience in a pro system in college. and Since the NFL/Pros usually do not use a college style of ball then Cousins is the better choice. However if the Redskins are 100% sold on RG3 and he's the face of the team and there is no turning back then the team better find a Spread/Read Option coach to get the most out of him now while he's young and mobile. RG3 can always work on his pocket presence and reading defenses for later when he's forced to be a pocket passer like Vick and McNabb were.
Agreed, but I think RG3 will be much better next year in the pocket with an entire offseason & possible new coach to condition him.
All things considered, he played poor, great, and average all year, but that was him being thrown into the fire. Imagine what he will do with a full offseason & fully strengthened knee.
I love Cousins, but if you take a close look at him, he makes a lot of Romo mistakes on passes. Defenders back off their guy, and Cousins takes the bait. He's going to be a great QB, but his mistakes will hamper his career value.
Cousins has a quick release, but his arm strength isn't what this team needs for deep threats. He's very smart, but again, his mistakes will overshadows his smarts in the long haul.
I'm glad this year is over, and believe our better days are soon to come.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:04 pm
by Countertrey
... and, oh, by the way... Jason Campbell is no Bob... Bob hit more deep receivers in stride in 4 games his rookie season than Campbell has in his entire career. Jason Campbell NEVER demonstrated the ability to bring the team back in the 4th quarter... Nope. Not the same.
I see enough to convince me that Bob will develop.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:44 pm
by Kilmer72
DarthMonk wrote:riggofan wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:IMO I think Cousin is going to me much more like Jay Cutler than John Elway. Robert in reverse.
lol!
Maybe Cousins (6-3, 210) can become a Bernie Kosar (6-5, 210). Just mobile enough. Good decision maker. Good but not great arm.
Griff's (6-2, 220) model should be Aaron Rodgers (6-2, 225).
I think he can be that good. That is an example that is pretty accurate. Kosar was a decent QB.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:07 pm
by RG3peat
Was Cousins OK v/s Dallas?....Came down to last play and Defense lost the game....Couldnt catch a QB with a herniated disc....Hes starter material for sure, Id say better the Romo and other middle tier qbs
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:03 am
by riggofan
RG3peat wrote:Was Cousins OK v/s Dallas?....Came down to last play and Defense lost the game....Couldnt catch a QB with a herniated disc....Hes starter material for sure, Id say better the Romo and other middle tier qbs
Defense lost the game??? Give me a break. Take a look at the box score play by play if you need a review. Defense kept us in that game.
And Cousins was OK v Dallas. Wasn't great, wasn't terrible.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:54 pm
by Smithian
LOL
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:54 pm
by welch
Well...
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:05 pm
by Kilmer72
Cousins went through another typical day behind this offensive line. We could always imagine that "Cousins Is Just Better..."
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:12 pm
by SkinsJock
actually this past season requires a whole lot of imagination to be able to see anything good
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:16 pm
by PulpExposure
I think at this point we can put this thread to bed.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:54 pm
by funsho2
damn old school dissapeared
LOL
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:21 pm
by cowboyhater4life
PulpExposure wrote:I think at this point we can put this thread to bed.
+1
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:00 am
by EA7649
PulpExposure wrote:I think at this point we can put this thread to bed.
Yup one good game against Atlanta. I just hope that his stock lived up to going up. This off-season if Griffen can work on his pocket passing, accuracy and decision making. Seriously believe he can become a better player (his knee will be way better) and hopefully get back the respect in the lockerroom
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:23 am
by StorminMormon86
So if they trade Cousins (they shouldn't, IMO) who can we get to be backup next year?
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:34 am
by SkinsJock
I think they keep Cousins because having a decent back up outweighs what we might get for him ...
PLUS - there's likely to be a lot of changes here and it's not easy to know who might suit what we're going to do offensively
the only thing we know for sure is that we will have a very motivated franchise QB, eager to make amends
and we are in a very good position as far as the salary cap and salaries are concerned
there really are a few good things to look forward to - hopefully Snyder continues to let the FO manage things here
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:18 am
by StorminMormon86
Still scratching my head as to why there were 50 pass attempts in the pouring down rain...was Kyle trying to sabotage Cousins' value somehow?!
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:49 am
by PulpExposure
StorminMormon86 wrote:Still scratching my head as to why there were 50 pass attempts in the pouring down rain...was Kyle trying to sabotage Cousins' value somehow?!
Kyle did the same thing multiple times earlier in the year. Guy gets a little too in love with the pass at times.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:56 am
by Kilmer72
StorminMormon86 wrote:Still scratching my head as to why there were 50 pass attempts in the pouring down rain...was Kyle trying to sabotage Cousins' value somehow?!
Lately teams have been zeroing in on Morris too.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:46 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
OldSchool wrote:I don't even think it is close, Kirk Cousins is a much better NFL quarterback than Griffin. I think the Skins would still be in the division race if they had played Cousins instead of the injured and hapless Griffin. Starting the season with a quarterback that has a gimpy leg, who doesn't know how read defenses, change protections, release quickly to the open man or lead receivers open with passes when the backup quarterback can do all these things is stupid, Dan Snyder jock sniffer stupid.
Shanahan started the real quarterback today because he doesn't give a damn anymore. Snyder will be doing Shannahan a favor when he cans him. Two more weeks to go.
Excuse me but Cousins went 0-3 and he is a better QB how? Some people just refuse to think logically.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:06 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
It's pointless to argue logic and facts with oldskewl.. rgiii will shut him up next year count it
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:27 pm
by OldSchool
Cousins needs to improve as does the receiving corps, it looked like a couple of guys were mailing it in yesterday, but in my opinion Kirk Cousins can definitely have a long and substantial starting QB career NFL. I hope the new coach opens up the job to competition but I doubt that happens.
I am not optimistic about Griffin's chances because he doesn't hasn't made progress with the mental aspects of the game. Griffin may comeback healthier and enjoy a revival next season but since needs to run to really contribute it will catch up to him and he'll get injured.
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:37 pm
by Countertrey
There will be twists to this story, depending on the foundation of the new head coach. A defensive minded coach is most likely to value a ball control game, with a premium on the run game and a clock eating short passing game. An offensive minded coach is more likely to prefer an aggressive offensive scheme, with a quick strike capability.
Cousins' skill set is currently best suited to running a traditional WCO... which can easily be adapted to take advantage of a one cut banger like Alf.
Bob is an incredibly dynamic talent, who, when trained up, is more like a very physically gifted version of Mark Rypien. Accurate and powerful, with superior elusiveness... but needs a dominating O-line to have the time to work in the passing game.
Which will it be? Redskins quarterback stock will rise or fall based on the philosophy of the new Head Coach...
Re: Cousins Is Just Better...
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:05 pm
by UK Skins Fan
Countertrey wrote:Which will it be? Redskins quarterback stock will rise or fall based on the philosophy of the new Head Coach...
I don't see any way that they'll be appointing a coach who could possibly favour Kirk over RG3, or implement an offence that would do the same.