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DaSkinz Baby wrote:

SKIN4LIFE wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:People I think you all need to do some simple research about LCL injuries and time tables. For the people that don't get it, the LCL is FAR MORE COMPLEX than an ACL or MCL tear. I believe that RG3 will come back and may even be better than ever but I doubt he comes back in 2013. 9-12 months people for a full LCL recovery. People also understand this has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson or his injury the LCL is the worst injury and when they use a complete RECONSTRUCTION verbage I tend to think that the knee is SHREDDED. The best thing that can happen is the knee get's fully repaired, and during next year's season he rehab's and get the muscles strong again and works on his explosion and continues to study the play book. 2014 he comes back hungrier than ever and then craps on the division again. I truly believe next year is a wash for RG3 and anyone that believes he will be back is basically a gullible imbecile.

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Fool4life, clever, but I'm sure we can measure intelligence on many levels and I would far surpass you. Additionally, name calling supports this fact.

As for the LCL, I'm sure all doctors are not linked to the team, and as I stated in the original post, all doctors are downplaying the LCL injury in comparison to the ACL. I'm a Biochemistry and Molecular Biology major which allows me to say I know a little about the body, and I agree with what I'm hearing. Something tells me you lack a degree relating to health and/or the human body so I will restrain from commenting on anything else you have to say because the comment is probably false.

Take care DaSkinz Baby.

What are you talking about. Every doctor on tv, and there have been several, said the complete opposite. The LCL is least important and will heal faster due to increased blood flow. We need to hear what Andrews encountered while performing the surgery and set expectations from there. For the record and to ensure posters aren't misled, your statements around the LCL are false.[/list]

WRONG my comments about the LCL are true and after the wasps flying around Redskins Park now and DeMaurice Smith investigating you don't think the Redskins are spinning this? Come on SKIN4LIFE don't be that much of a FOOL4LIFE the LCL is the longest tendon to heal KNOWN FACT and the fact that I have posted what I have read, learned and heard is a simple matter of what I have found. Nothing doom and gloom about it. How the hell is the LCL the least important when it's what stablizes the knee from doing what it did in the 4th quarter? BEND THE WAY ITS NOT SUPPOSED TOO?? COME ON MAN!!!!

SkinsJock wrote:ACTUALLY - Ray .... thanks for confirming something I've thought for a long while

you really do not have much of a clue at all, do you - why else would you go to such incredible trouble to try and make a silly little point with so may of your posts

SkinsJock wrote::roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote::roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

UK Skins Fan wrote:I love the fact that we have two threads called "Good news about RGIII's knee" and "Bad news about RGIII's knee". It just seems so very Hogs.net

CanesSkins26 wrote:There's no point in speculating on recovery time when no one has an idea of what exactly the doctors are doing with the knee. Mort appears to have jumped the gun with his report, and we won't know anything until after the surgery is completed.

Update 12:21 p.m.: A person familiar with the situation said that Robert Griffin III’s knee surgery was completed just after noon Wednesday.
Dr. James Andrews repaired both Griffin’s lateral collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments, the person said. According to that person, Griffin plans to remain in Florida for the foreseeable future to be monitored and begin his rehabilitation. The initial six to eight weeks of recovery are considered critical key to his rehabilitation, the person said.


Update 10:57: While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament “needs to be stronger,” according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
It wasn’t immediately clear whether the ACL could be repaired, or if it would be completely replaced. Andrews already is repairing Griffin’s LCL.
Griffin’s surgery, which began at 7 a.m, was going well overall, the person said. There was no word on how long the procedure would take.

The Redskins haven’t responded to requests for information on the surgery or the condition of Griffin’s knee, which was determined when he was examined by Andrews in Gulf Breeze, Fla., on Tuesday.
Mark Adickes, the orthopedist who performed Griffin’s original ACL surgery in 2009, declined to comment, saying that he is consulting with the Griffin family and physicians at this time.
A person familiar with the situation said around 7 a.m. that Robert Griffin III’s surgery was underway. The person said Griffin’s lateral collateral ligament will be repaired and doctors will determine the extent of damage to his anterior cruciate ligament.
That person denied a report by ESPN saying doctors already had diagnosed a complete ACL tear. It’s possible that extensive damage to Griffin’s ACL will be found but doctors had not determined that to be the case prior to the surgery, the person said.
Before heading into surgery Griffin tweeted a message of thanks.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote::roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

tribeofjudah wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:BS is BS - Dr Andrews knows what is going on

there are a lot of 'quacks' that think they do

LOTS of quacks and quite A FEW TROLLS........roaming around here

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:

NYFINESTSKINSFAN wrote:

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote::shock: Didn't know there are so many perfect people in this world who do the right thing every time and who have never made a bad decision in their life

Mike made a huge mistake, maybe the worse of his career and he needs to own up to it. He is the HC and the buck stops with him. You see your most prized player hobbling all over the field, you pull him out. A non expert like myself knew that and I was right. Even in that case I don't think he deserves to be fired. He does need to learn from this and I think he will be a better and more responsible head coach than before. I just pray that RGIII will be back and better than before for 2014, if God's will, 2013.

Maybe he did. Its easy to sit in front of your TV watching it all from the outside and only knowing what you have been told then say what was the right thing to do. You really know nothing about the people involved, what was going threw their heads and you didn't have a kid in front of you going " I'm fine and I want to be out there". And what if it all went for the good? What if we won and he didn't hurt himself more?Then everyone would be on here saying they knew that was going to happen too. They see it right, they see it well and yet they think this saves me from my hell

The Hogster wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:There's no point in speculating on recovery time when no one has an idea of what exactly the doctors are doing with the knee. Mort appears to have jumped the gun with his report, and we won't know anything until after the surgery is completed.

It was completed this afternoon. He's going to rehab in Florida.

Update 12:21 p.m.: A person familiar with the situation said that Robert Griffin III’s knee surgery was completed just after noon Wednesday.
Dr. James Andrews repaired both Griffin’s lateral collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments, the person said. According to that person, Griffin plans to remain in Florida for the foreseeable future to be monitored and begin his rehabilitation. The initial six to eight weeks of recovery are considered critical key to his rehabilitation, the person said.


Update 10:57: While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament “needs to be stronger,” according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
It wasn’t immediately clear whether the ACL could be repaired, or if it would be completely replaced. Andrews already is repairing Griffin’s LCL.
Griffin’s surgery, which began at 7 a.m, was going well overall, the person said. There was no word on how long the procedure would take.

The Redskins haven’t responded to requests for information on the surgery or the condition of Griffin’s knee, which was determined when he was examined by Andrews in Gulf Breeze, Fla., on Tuesday.
Mark Adickes, the orthopedist who performed Griffin’s original ACL surgery in 2009, declined to comment, saying that he is consulting with the Griffin family and physicians at this time.
A person familiar with the situation said around 7 a.m. that Robert Griffin III’s surgery was underway. The person said Griffin’s lateral collateral ligament will be repaired and doctors will determine the extent of damage to his anterior cruciate ligament.
That person denied a report by ESPN saying doctors already had diagnosed a complete ACL tear. It’s possible that extensive damage to Griffin’s ACL will be found but doctors had not determined that to be the case prior to the surgery, the person said.
Before heading into surgery Griffin tweeted a message of thanks.

RayNAustin wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote::roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

I suggest you rediscover your memory about how many times I was right.

The Hogster wrote:Stop whining. What's done is done. We aren't playing this weekend because we lost. Should we, could we, and would we have won with a healthy RGIII?? Yes.

But, that wasn't the case, and it does nothing to cry over spilled milk. Let's hope that he can put this knee issue behind him now that it's been repaired. The positive aspect of this is that structurally his knee will be stronger than ever. And, at age 22, he should regain his strength, speed, and explosiveness a lot quicker than he would if he were 29 or so.

NYFINESTSKINSFAN wrote:

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:

NYFINESTSKINSFAN wrote:

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote::shock: Didn't know there are so many perfect people in this world who do the right thing every time and who have never made a bad decision in their life

Mike made a huge mistake, maybe the worse of his career and he needs to own up to it. He is the HC and the buck stops with him. You see your most prized player hobbling all over the field, you pull him out. A non expert like myself knew that and I was right. Even in that case I don't think he deserves to be fired. He does need to learn from this and I think he will be a better and more responsible head coach than before. I just pray that RGIII will be back and better than before for 2014, if God's will, 2013.

Maybe he did. Its easy to sit in front of your TV watching it all from the outside and only knowing what you have been told then say what was the right thing to do. You really know nothing about the people involved, what was going threw their heads and you didn't have a kid in front of you going " I'm fine and I want to be out there". And what if it all went for the good? What if we won and he didn't hurt himself more?Then everyone would be on here saying they knew that was going to happen too. They see it right, they see it well and yet they think this saves me from my hell

Nope, so the biggest acquisition in Skins history is clearly hobbling all over the field barely able to make passes and in clear pain, you take him out. It doesn't take a head coach to know to make a common sense decision.

We can what if all we like, but RGIII being seriously injured is not a what if but a matter of fact.

The Hogster wrote:Stop whining. What's done is done. We aren't playing this weekend because we lost. Should we, could we, and would we have won with a healthy RGIII?? Yes.

But, that wasn't the case, and it does nothing to cry over spilled milk. Let's hope that he can put this knee issue behind him now that it's been repaired. The positive aspect of this is that structurally his knee will be stronger than ever. And, at age 22, he should regain his strength, speed, and explosiveness a lot quicker than he would if he were 29 or so.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:People I think you all need to do some simple research about LCL injuries and time tables. For the people that don't get it, the LCL is FAR MORE COMPLEX than an ACL or MCL tear. I believe that RG3 will come back and may even be better than ever but I doubt he comes back in 2013. 9-12 months people for a full LCL recovery. People also understand this has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson or his injury the LCL is the worst injury and when they use a complete RECONSTRUCTION verbage I tend to think that the knee is SHREDDED. The best thing that can happen is the knee get's fully repaired, and during next year's season he rehab's and get the muscles strong again and works on his explosion and continues to study the play book. 2014 he comes back hungrier than ever and then craps on the division again. I truly believe next year is a wash for RG3 and anyone that believes he will be back is basically a gullible imbecile.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote::roll: OH NO! .. I was kind of enjoying reading some of the really STUPID posts and hypotheses ... they took me away from considering the reality ....

Oh, you mean like "Good News!!! RG3's Knee only needs massive reconstructive surgery" ???

Guess what .... apparently some people actually understand my "silly points".

After a bit of encouragement and a few consecutive good posts in previous months, we are back to the OLD RAY: bitter, sour, pessimistic, negative, emotional, and, most importantly, he KNOWS IT ALL better than ANYBODY else.

Thanks for the reminder, Ray, it was time to re-discover the OLD RAY.

I suggest you rediscover your memory about how many times I was right.

Ohhhh! There is plenty of them BOTH ways, Ray.

You are just getting EMOTION and FEAR take over the rational approach which you SOME TIMES take.

RayNAustin wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:People I think you all need to do some simple research about LCL injuries and time tables. For the people that don't get it, the LCL is FAR MORE COMPLEX than an ACL or MCL tear. I believe that RG3 will come back and may even be better than ever but I doubt he comes back in 2013. 9-12 months people for a full LCL recovery. People also understand this has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson or his injury the LCL is the worst injury and when they use a complete RECONSTRUCTION verbage I tend to think that the knee is SHREDDED. The best thing that can happen is the knee get's fully repaired, and during next year's season he rehab's and get the muscles strong again and works on his explosion and continues to study the play book. 2014 he comes back hungrier than ever and then craps on the division again. I truly believe next year is a wash for RG3 and anyone that believes he will be back is basically a gullible imbecile.

I agree with your conclusions, but not the details. Everything I've read, and the commentary by other surgeons suggest a longer recovery from an ACL ... of 6-8 months, and 4-6 Months for an LCL. Obviously, or maybe it isn't obvious, but should be, is that the recovery time is longer if BOTH reconstructions are required .. it's not simply a case of both healing at the same time, using the longer period as the total period of healing. There is concurrent healing of course, but the body only heals so fast, and the combination of both assaults require some additional healing time as opposed to just a single ligament reconstruction.

As for whether RG3 CAN be ready for the 2013 season, depends on numerous variables, to include how one defines "ready", what portion of the season you're looking at, and what risk you're willing to take in returning. Peterson took his first live game action 8 1/2 months after surgery to repair his two ligament reconstruction, though he considered himself ready to play a month sooner in the pre-season, but the Vikings did not want to risk it. And according to several medical sources, a full recovery still takes 12 months for healing to complete ... which does not mean the athlete cannot perform before that, only that a full healing takes 12 months complete.

The real issue is that Peterson's return in the 8 1/2 month mark is considered a tremendously fast recovery .... so that would lead any logical person to view this claim of 6-8 months time frame for RG3 to be extremely questionable, perhaps even dubious. 8 months? Maybe. 6 Months, preposterous, unless you want to send him out prematurely, and risk re-injury and extremely risky consequences for his future.

There is a lot of damage control and cover-your-butt politics going on here, and for those who simply swallow whatever bait is dangled in front of them ... well, fish love fish stories, especially the stories of the ones that got away.

Everyone is free to believe what they "want to believe" ... I prefer to look at reality, without the rose colored glasses being sold by those covering for their own poor judgement.