Why not Do it Again....WRs.. Who stays - Who goes?

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:28 pm

Thanks Red One, I didn't know BB was carrying an injury and that Shanny seems to feel he can be an effective wide out.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:50 pm

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:Thanks Red One, I didn't know BB was carrying an injury and that Shanny seems to feel he can be an effective wide out.

Hey SLR, check out Banks' college highlights. Forget about the TDs and the yardage (its college competition), but check out how he catches the ball - with his hands - not trapped on his chest.

That first hitch pass on the video is low, but BB snags it cleanly with his hands. This is what Shanny is seeing when he says the guy has - not good hands - but "very good hands." :)

If Brandon has improved his route running, he will make a heck of a receiver. As the 5th or 6th guy, he won't have to catch a lot of passes, but Shanny will have devised more ways to get him the ball that teams will respect him when he is in the line up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKd2rQCGM_E

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:04 pm

+infinte!!!!

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:17 am

Glad BB was one of the four wide outs in Waco w rgiii...

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:57 am

In minicamp, Banks saw time at each receiver spot and impressed the coaching staff. He’s also reportedly packed 10 more pounds onto his 5 foot 7, 155-pound frame.

“My mindset is to contribute at wide receiver, show the coaches I can run a route, catch the ball and make plays without a punt return or kick return,” Banks said. “That’s my main concern. I’m just trying to get a connection with the quarterback, so hopefully I can be here this year.”

Meet Banks the wide receiver!

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... cited.html

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:37 pm

5 foot 7 my arse!!!

5 foot 5 more like.

But droping the short pass on him is something we need to look at, he could be great in screens and low risk passing plays. He can turn an average 4 or 5 yard gain type play into 10+.

His low centre of gravity and speed make him very elusive. I guess people are just scared to have him in there cos of his size, but we've seen what he can do with flea-flickers or reverse style plays, so if we can include him a lot more legitimately then it gives the defense something extra to worry about.

Next season a lot of teams will be focused on RGIII and what he will be doing, so using our new QB to preoccupy the defense would be a good idea. Going on a bootleg to the right 3 or 4 times and then the next time handing it to Banks on a reverse could be a BIG play for example, if RGIII has been effective then the defense will be sold long before the hand-off.

Man, next season has the potential to be SO exciting....

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:41 pm

Brandon's weakness is his weight. Where a player like Niles (pre TE conversion) could run through an arm tackle, that same impact will knock Banks over and/or totally disrupt his angle of attack.

I think he could be an asset and would have had a larger impact if our ST guys could stop holding and blocking in the back...

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:01 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Brandon's weakness is his weight. Where a player like Niles (pre TE conversion) could run through an arm tackle, that same impact will knock Banks over and/or totally disrupt his angle of attack.

I think he could be an asset and would have had a larger impact if our ST guys could stop holding and blocking in the back...

Ok.. all yellow flags aside BB is the rookie of the year before Ryan. Agreed? No need its set.
NOW he creates concern for defenders = winning! Ya ya Niles MIGHT get through "arm" tackles... THAT BB gets AROUND! Shifty + #speedkills my Brotha!
HTTR

Richard Grayson · Post by **Richard Grayson** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:46 pm

I'm actually a 9er fan but I wanted to chime in about Josh(ua) Morgan. He never had a big season with us (battled with injuries/sickness his rookie season and was poised to break out in 2011 before going on IR) but he left the 9ers as their best receiver. I would take him over Crabtree any day of the week. He was a very reliable/sure-handed receiver and learned a few knacks from Isaac Bruce from when he was with us -- he seems to always be open when the play breaks down. Was never a "go up and get it" type of receiver but shows strength in fighting for YAC. He definitely was developing a rapport with Alex Smith who seems uncomfortable throwing to Crabtree and Ginn who notoriously tipped several balls to defenders (intercepted after being deflected off their stone hands) in 2010.

I'm pretty sure Morgan was leading the team in receiving yards before he went on IR last season. He's a hard worker and is very humble and I was very saddened that we couldn't keep him. Probably will never be a #1 but is a very solid #2 guy. I'm certain he'd still be a starter with us even with Moss/Crabtree/Manningham/etc -- all three being top 12 in drops in the last 3 years..

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:10 pm

My dawg! I've been tryn to tell everyone how sad actual miner fans are that they lost him... YES he was the leading receiver but @ week four some people won't give props where props are due.
Needless to say I'm glad he is back home and wearing the b&g... Had your coach nursed the 30+ point lead vs going deep and resulting in his breaking of leg bones he might still be a niner....

For what its worth, and yet to he discovered I for one am glad he is NOT.

HTTR

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:17 am

Richard Grayson wrote:I'm actually a 9er fan but I wanted to chime in about Josh(ua) Morgan. He never had a big season with us (battled with injuries/sickness his rookie season and then when was poised to break out in 2011 before going on IR) but he left the 9ers as their best receiver. I would take him over Crabtree any day of the week. He was a very reliable/sure-handed receiver and learned a few knacks from Isaac Bruce from when he was with us -- he seems to always be open when the play breaks down. Was never a "go up and get it" type of receiver but shows strength in fighting for YAC. He definitely was developing a rapport with Alex Smith who seems uncomfortable throwing to Crabtree and Ginn who notoriously tipped several balls to defenders (intercepted after being deflected off their stone hands) in 2010.

I'm pretty sure Morgan was leading the team in receiving yards before he went on IR last season. He's a hard worker and is very humble and I was very saddened that we couldn't keep him. Probably will never be a #1 but is a very solid #2 guy. I'm certain he'd still be a starter with us even with Moss/Crabtree/Manningham/etc -- all three being top 12 in drops in the last 3 years..

Thank you for your imput. YAC is one of the main reasons, Shanahan wanted him. Somewhere on this thread. I posted an article quoting Harbaugh saying that signing Morgan was a priority. Puzzled as to why it didn't happen, but glad that we have him.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:28 am

It's early - It's one sportswriter's opinion, but Brandon is looking like a wideout.

Brandon Banks looks to be the day one favorite for the sixth wide receiver competition (if that means anything). Right now the order goes; Garcon, Morgan, Moss, Hankerson, Armstrong, Banks. Aldrick Robinson is the guy on the outside, looking in. And he might not be "looking" for long.

http://www.redskins101.com/2012/07/26/w ... tands-out/

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:01 am

Rich Tandler, who has already written Banks off as a wideout says:

—Brandon Banks just doesn’t look natural catching passes. He lets too many get into his pads, which is understandable since his arms are on the short side. But that’s not the way to work your way into the wide receiver rotation.

Compare that to the Redskin101.com writer above. IMO that is a weak criticism. How about Banks dropping passes or even running poor routes. Anybody who has scouted Banks knows that he is a "catch the ball with your hands" wideout. Thus Shanny says that he has good hands. Excuse me, "very good" hands. Looks like Rich is trying to invent stuff to support his case.

IT's Banks 6th spot to lose.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:38 am

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I think he could be an asset and would have had a larger impact if our ST guys could stop holding and blocking in the back...

Ok.. all yellow flags aside BB is the rookie of the year before Ryan. Agreed? No need its set.
NOW he creates concern for defenders = winning! Ya ya Niles MIGHT get through "arm" tackles... THAT BB gets AROUND! Shifty + #speedkills my Brotha!
HTTR

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I don't dislike BB and feel that he's an asset. But his "game" is not perfect and his weight is a weakness. Obivously he is aware of that I believe that he put some extra bulk on for the season.

It's rare that you'll go untouched during kickoffs/punts and he's going to have to be able to get through an arm tackle or two.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:49 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
cowboykillerzRED wrote:I think he could be an asset and would have had a larger impact if our ST guys could stop holding and blocking in the back...
Ok.. all yellow flags aside BB is the rookie of the year before Ryan. Agreed? No need its set.
NOW he creates concern for defenders = winning! Ya ya Niles MIGHT get through "arm" tackles... THAT BB gets AROUND! Shifty + #speedkills my Brotha!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

I don't dislike BB and feel that he's an asset. But his "game" is not perfect and his weight is a weakness. Obivously he is aware of that I believe that he put some extra bulk on for the season.

It's rare that you'll go untouched during kickoffs/punts and he's going to have to be able to get through an arm tackle or two.

I am a big BB supporter, but I have to admit that size does matter in this league. I agree with you, BB is very aware of the challenge he faces. He cannot afford to make any mistakes especially cough up the ball.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:10 am

If BB was cut this year I wouldn't even notice he was gone.

Thats how much of an impact he has on the team.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:53 am

I fixed that for you...

Edited ATX_Skins wrote:If BB was cut this year I wouldn't even notice he was gone.

That's how much of an impact he's been allowed to have on the team due to boneheaded mistakes by his teammates.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:08 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I fixed that for you...

Edited ATX_Skins wrote:If BB was cut this year I wouldn't even notice he was gone.

That's how much of an impact he's been.

No, I meant what I said.

I have never been a fan of him. I'd rather open a roster spot for a player that can contribute more. We had this same conversation last year.

I like him even less than Cartwrite, and I couldn't stand that guy.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:21 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:I have never been a fan of him.

That's fine if you don't like personally, you're entitled to those feelings.

However, if we deal with the facts. He has been productive and has produced TD caliber returns. Only to have them negated by boneheaded teammates, which is something that he has zero control over. Do I think that he's worth a roster spot, I agree that it could be possibly better suited for another player. It's entirely debatable! However, you cannot take away his ability to produce because of your feelings.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:51 pm

Why is Aldrick more deserving? Has he ever seen the endzone?
BB pass to 'raja for six...
The reverse for six but called back not BBs fault
I think 2 or more ko/ punts called back right?
And in the top three for return average w the likes of Hester.. and this kid doesn't deserve a spot?! Wow, who does then?

I know your a diehard BB Hater atx, and I remember the thread last preseason, so I won't try to change your mind w stats plays facts etc.. but can u support your claim for using the roster spot on someone else?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:12 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Why is Aldrick more deserving? Has he ever seen the endzone?

I see both sides of the coin. If Aldrick can get his head together and not drop punts like he did during last preseason, maybe he can duplicate BB's return abilities. What Aldrick brings to the table elsewhere, is that he has a higher ceiling to become a contributor at the WR position.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:And in the top three for return average w the likes of Hester.. and this kid doesn't deserve a spot?! Wow, who does then?

Don't bring your facts into this discussion.

BB was #1 in the ENTIRE NFL in kick returns. Number 1. One more time, number 1. LOL. In the entire NFL.
BB was #11 as far as punt returns. He would have been higher if his teammates hadn't negated the success that he had by commiting stupid penalties.

But like I said, you won't get too far using facts. Facts and emotions don't typically jive well. LOL

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:15 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I fixed that for you...

Edited ATX_Skins wrote:If BB was cut this year I wouldn't even notice he was gone.

That's how much of an impact he's been.

No, I meant what I said.

I have never been a fan of him. I'd rather open a roster spot for a player that can contribute more. We had this same conversation last year.

I like him even less than Cartwrite, and I couldn't stand that guy.

Crazy post of the week alert! (you may won the award)

The heat in Texass must be getting to you simply don't like BB because he is small, results be damned. Of course you have the same take on Cool

ey, so I can always expect your posts to be irrational.

Richard Grayson · Post by **Richard Grayson** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:34 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:My dawg! I've been tryn to tell everyone how sad actual miner fans are that they lost him... YES he was the leading receiver but @ week four some people won't give props where props are due.
Needless to say I'm glad he is back home and wearing the b&g... Had your coach nursed the 30+ point lead vs going deep and resulting in his breaking of leg bones he might still be a niner....

For what its worth, and yet to he discovered I for one am glad he is NOT.

Yeah, it's also tough to think about what might have happened if we had him particularly in the post season. By the NFCC our WR corps was so depleted we had Crabtree, Kyle Williams, Brett Swain (who was signed only a few weeks before) and some practice squad scrub left. It was a small wonder why they only had one total catch in the game combined.

Coming back from a broken leg is no joke though, definitely pulling for him to come back strong. He's a good character guy and is someone you root for. When Crabtree joined the team mid-season after his rookie holdout, he replaced Morgan as a starter (with Isaac Bruce as the other) and instead of complain he actually stayed in the facilities during the bye week to help get Crabtree ready. He also reportedly borrowed a lot of historical in-house practice film on Jerry Rice and studied them for a couple off seasons.

Red_One43 wrote:Thank you for your imput. YAC is one of the main reasons, Shanahan wanted him. Somewhere on this thread. I posted an article quoting Harbaugh saying that signing Morgan was a priority. Puzzled as to why it didn't happen, but glad that we have him.

I think they offered him a deal but was no where near the one he signed with the Redskins which is good starter money. We're not exactly a high-income team and with Manningham/Moss available and their plans to draft a receiver in the 1st round I guess he was expendable as a FA. Harbaugh was genuine when he said he wanted him back but it's business and things don't always work out.

Anyhow, that's about all I have to say here. Good luck on the season guys, RG3 will be good and 9er fans will never forget what Shanahan did for us.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:01 pm

To me my rationale with Banks is:
- the team has too few play makers to dump one
- until they can find a better PR and KR we can't afford to get rid of him
- until there are 53 other players that can make more of an impact than him we can't get rid of him
- I don't care if he contributes at all at WR, he is worth a roster spot based on just the field position he provides.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:19 pm

+1
we can send an extra db who won't likely see the field unless two people ahead of him get injured to the PS before cutting one of our few weapons.