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Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

Correct. AND, unless the rook is a clear project... not likely to be ready in year one... Manning would say no. He expects to be the undisputed started. He's not going to a team if he thinks that he's going to be asked to give way before two years are done... He will not want to face a QB controversy if he has one or two bad games... he want's to be THE man.

You don't know that for certain. I haven't seen any mock drafts yet with Ryan Tannehill going in the first round. The scouting reports I've seen on him say he is a project QB, not ready to start immediately and a likely second round pick.

Countertrey wrote:

Correct. AND, unless the rook is a clear project... not likely to be ready in year one... Manning would say no. He expects to be the undisputed started. He's not going to a team if he thinks that he's going to be asked to give way before two years are done... He will not want to face a QB controversy if he has one or two bad games... he want's to be THE man.

I just don't see how its any different than drafting Mallet behind Brady. Nobody is going to tell Brady he's not the man or ask him to take a seat in two years as long as he is killing it on the field.

If Peyton Manning were to come here and play like you expect Peyton Manning to play, why would anyone ask him to take a seat for a QB sitting on the bench?

Either way its not really the point. The point is that Joe Theisman is kind of talking out his a** on this one. Signing a Peyton Manning does not mean you can't be developing a longer term QB at the same time. Aaron Rodgers was a backup behind Favre for THREE seasons.

I'm still not really sure why Manning would choose to come here at all to be honest!

CanesSkins26 wrote:Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

I'd think the decision would have to be made sooner though. He can be signed once he's cut, assuming the Colts don't renegotiate. I'd think anyone who signs him would have a safety clause in case he can't play, but we probably have to decide then whether to ink him or not. If we do, we're not going to turn around and give away so many picks over the next two years to get Luck or Griffin, so we live for now with whether he will be able to play or not. The only way we get one of them is if they completely inexplicably fall to us at #6.

I saw an interview with Theismann on CSN where he basically said the same thing in that article about how the Manning idea was dumb, same-old same-old, etc. He also seemed to like the idea of getting Matt Flynn and a rookie, although he didn't come right out and name the rookie. The Manning deal would be a double edged sword no matter what happens. If he works out and is good for the next 2-3 years, then we still have to go out and find "our guy" to be the future. Then there's also the possibility that if we get Manning and he doesn't work out AND our rookie draft (if we even take one) also turns out to be a bust then we'll be right back to square one as well.

riggofan wrote:You don't know that for certain. I haven't seen any mock drafts yet with Ryan Tannehill going in the first round. The scouting reports I've seen on him say he is a project QB, not ready to start immediately and a likely second round pick.

Countertrey wrote:

Correct. AND, unless the rook is a clear project... not likely to be ready in year one... Manning would say no. He expects to be the undisputed started. He's not going to a team if he thinks that he's going to be asked to give way before two years are done... He will not want to face a QB controversy if he has one or two bad games... he want's to be THE man.

I just don't see how its any different than drafting Mallet behind Brady. Nobody is going to tell Brady he's not the man or ask him to take a seat in two years as long as he is killing it on the field.

If Peyton Manning were to come here and play like you expect Peyton Manning to play, why would anyone ask him to take a seat for a QB sitting on the bench?

Either way its not really the point. The point is that Joe Theisman is kind of talking out his a** on this one. Signing a Peyton Manning does not mean you can't be developing a longer term QB at the same time. Aaron Rodgers was a backup behind Favre for THREE seasons.

I'm still not really sure why Manning would choose to come here at all to be honest!

Most mock drafts also had Christian Ponder in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, but he went 12th overall. Team's reach for qbs, especially in a very weak free agent class.

McShay has Tannehill going 25th overall.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/page/McShayMock2.0/2012-nfl-mock-draft-defenders-balance-top-10-todd-mcshay-latest-projection

Despite missing the Senior Bowl due to a broken foot suffered in pre-draft training, Texas A&M senior QB Ryan Tannehill is shooting up draft boards.

According to Sports Illustrated's Peter King, Gil Brandt, the long-time NFL personnel director of the Dallas Cowboys who moonlights as a draft expert for NFL.com, thinks Tannehill will be a top 10 pick.

http://houston.sbnation.com/2012/1/25/2732991/ryan-tannehill-nfl-draft-stock-texas-atm-qb-senior-bowl

A player near the top of most scouts' lists is Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill, who completed 61.6 percent of his passes with 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions this past season. He would make sense for the Dolphins if they hire Mike Sherman - Joe Philbin's longtime friend who was Texas A&M's coach the last four seasons before getting fired - as offensive coordinator. The Dolphins could potentially trade down from the eighth or ninth pick and get him later in the first round.

Tannehill was originally projected as a top-15 pick, but he broke his foot this month and will miss this week's Senior Bowl. The NFL Network's Mike Mayock said Tannehill is "probably still in that first-round group," but Pauline said "being unable to participate in the Senior Bowl is really going to hurt him."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/nfl-draft-would-be-difficult-avenue-for-miami-2120788.html

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

who says that there's no decent qb's after weeden? you?

how do you know Kirk Cousins wouldn't get used to the speed of the game while peyton grooms him..how do you know Nick Foles won't improve his decision making after watching game film with peyton manning for two years...how do you know that Brock Osweiler doesn't improve his understanding of defenses after two years under peyton manning?

Peyton Manning would instantly make everyone around him better. he makes a 1-15 team a playoff contender just by playing. and ANYONE can improve by watching his work ethic and knowledge of the game.

yes, i agree with the "why would he WANT to come to washington"...but if he does???? why would we NOT want to get him on this team? Especially if he's willing to sign with an incentive loaded contract. where's the downside?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:You don't know that for certain. I haven't seen any mock drafts yet with Ryan Tannehill going in the first round. The scouting reports I've seen on him say he is a project QB, not ready to start immediately and a likely second round pick.

Countertrey wrote:

Correct. AND, unless the rook is a clear project... not likely to be ready in year one... Manning would say no. He expects to be the undisputed started. He's not going to a team if he thinks that he's going to be asked to give way before two years are done... He will not want to face a QB controversy if he has one or two bad games... he want's to be THE man.

I just don't see how its any different than drafting Mallet behind Brady. Nobody is going to tell Brady he's not the man or ask him to take a seat in two years as long as he is killing it on the field.

If Peyton Manning were to come here and play like you expect Peyton Manning to play, why would anyone ask him to take a seat for a QB sitting on the bench?

Either way its not really the point. The point is that Joe Theisman is kind of talking out his a** on this one. Signing a Peyton Manning does not mean you can't be developing a longer term QB at the same time. Aaron Rodgers was a backup behind Favre for THREE seasons.

I'm still not really sure why Manning would choose to come here at all to be honest!

Most mock drafts also had Christian Ponder in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, but he went 12th overall. Team's reach for qbs, especially in a very weak free agent class.

McShay has Tannehill going 25th overall.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/page/McShayMock2.0/2012-nfl-mock-draft-defenders-balance-top-10-todd-mcshay-latest-projection

Despite missing the Senior Bowl due to a broken foot suffered in pre-draft training, Texas A&M senior QB Ryan Tannehill is shooting up draft boards.

According to Sports Illustrated's Peter King, Gil Brandt, the long-time NFL personnel director of the Dallas Cowboys who moonlights as a draft expert for NFL.com, thinks Tannehill will be a top 10 pick.

http://houston.sbnation.com/2012/1/25/2732991/ryan-tannehill-nfl-draft-stock-texas-atm-qb-senior-bowl

A player near the top of most scouts' lists is Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill, who completed 61.6 percent of his passes with 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions this past season. He would make sense for the Dolphins if they hire Mike Sherman - Joe Philbin's longtime friend who was Texas A&M's coach the last four seasons before getting fired - as offensive coordinator. The Dolphins could potentially trade down from the eighth or ninth pick and get him later in the first round.

Tannehill was originally projected as a top-15 pick, but he broke his foot this month and will miss this week's Senior Bowl. The NFL Network's Mike Mayock said Tannehill is "probably still in that first-round group," but Pauline said "being unable to participate in the Senior Bowl is really going to hurt him."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/nfl-draft-would-be-difficult-avenue-for-miami-2120788.html

Aaron Rogers fell in the draft...so did brady quinn. that happens also

mcshay has tannehill at 25 with the broncos...that's iffy. if broncos decide they still want to give tebow another year and go DT, he's a second rounder...Mel Kiper has him going in the second round.

Jeremy81 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

who says that there's no decent qb's after weeden? you?

how do you know Kirk Cousins wouldn't get used to the speed of the game while peyton grooms him..how do you know Nick Foles won't improve his decision making after watching game film with peyton manning for two years...how do you know that Brock Osweiler doesn't improve his understanding of defenses after two years under peyton manning?

Peyton Manning would instantly make everyone around him better. he makes a 1-15 team a playoff contender just by playing. and ANYONE can improve by watching his work ethic and knowledge of the game.

yes, i agree with the "why would he WANT to come to washington"...but if he does???? why would we NOT want to get him on this team? Especially if he's willing to sign with an incentive loaded contract. where's the downside?

You really think Shanahan is going to trust Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles to the be the future of this franchise, especially when he is trying to set it up for his son to take over after him? After the top 4 you have a bunch of 2-3 years, at least, project qbs. Taking a risk on one of those projects and Manning, knowing at the time of the draft that it is unclear if he will be healthy enough to play in 2012, would be the height of stupidity and a recipe for more disaster at the qb position.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

who says that there's no decent qb's after weeden? you?

how do you know Kirk Cousins wouldn't get used to the speed of the game while peyton grooms him..how do you know Nick Foles won't improve his decision making after watching game film with peyton manning for two years...how do you know that Brock Osweiler doesn't improve his understanding of defenses after two years under peyton manning?

Peyton Manning would instantly make everyone around him better. he makes a 1-15 team a playoff contender just by playing. and ANYONE can improve by watching his work ethic and knowledge of the game.

yes, i agree with the "why would he WANT to come to washington"...but if he does???? why would we NOT want to get him on this team? Especially if he's willing to sign with an incentive loaded contract. where's the downside?

You really think Shanahan is going to trust Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles to the be the future of this franchise, especially when he is trying to set it up for his son to take over after him? After the top 4 you have a bunch of 2-3 years, at least, project qbs. Taking a risk on one of those projects and Manning, knowing at the time of the draft that it is unclear if he will be healthy enough to play in 2012, would be the height of stupidity and a recipe for more disaster at the qb position.

because trading a bunch of picks to move up in the draft for a qb has worked so well for us in the past?

and you think that my scenerio is more far fetched than shanahan trusting a quarterback that was CATCHING passes two years ago can start the 2012 season with no reservations? ok

Jeremy81 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

who says that there's no decent qb's after weeden? you?

how do you know Kirk Cousins wouldn't get used to the speed of the game while peyton grooms him..how do you know Nick Foles won't improve his decision making after watching game film with peyton manning for two years...how do you know that Brock Osweiler doesn't improve his understanding of defenses after two years under peyton manning?

Peyton Manning would instantly make everyone around him better. he makes a 1-15 team a playoff contender just by playing. and ANYONE can improve by watching his work ethic and knowledge of the game.

yes, i agree with the "why would he WANT to come to washington"...but if he does???? why would we NOT want to get him on this team? Especially if he's willing to sign with an incentive loaded contract. where's the downside?

You really think Shanahan is going to trust Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles to the be the future of this franchise, especially when he is trying to set it up for his son to take over after him? After the top 4 you have a bunch of 2-3 years, at least, project qbs. Taking a risk on one of those projects and Manning, knowing at the time of the draft that it is unclear if he will be healthy enough to play in 2012, would be the height of stupidity and a recipe for more disaster at the qb position.

because trading a bunch of picks to move up in the draft for a qb has worked so well for us in the past?

and you think that my scenerio is more far fetched than shanahan trusting a quarterback that was CATCHING passes two years ago can start the 2012 season with no reservations? ok

When was the last time that we traded up high into the top 10 to take a qb? How can you say it hasnt't worked in the past, when we have never done it, at least not that I'm aware off. Unless you're referring to trading into the late first to draft Campbell, which isn't comparable because we were reaching for a guy that should've been a second rounder. RGIII is universally regarded as a top 5 pick.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Jeremy81 wrote:I dont understand why the redskins can't do both...chances are a quarterback worthy of a to ten pick will be gone by the time we pick sixth...so if we still go after a quarterback, with maybe a second or third round pick, theres no real pressure to start him right away. A third round qb is usually a project. Wouldn't you rather have him learn from peyton manning than from rex grossman? Plus peyton had already stated that he's open to an incentive laden contract, so he might actually come at a fair price. Just because peyton manning is on our roster, doesnt mean the redskins cant get a young quarter back in this draft

I'm totally with you on this. You probably don't make a move for Peyton Manning and draft RGIII. But you could sign Manning in the short term (assuming everything shakes out), get him some o-line help in the first round, and draft a guy like Tannehill in the second round.

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do, but going after Peyton Manning doesn't have to mean you're leveraging your future or not looking to develop a longer term QB.

Tannehill will be gone in the first. There's a decent chance that Weeden will go in the first also, or high in the second. After that it's a bunch of crap. To get a decent qb in this draft we'll likely have to move down from #6 or up from our second round pick. Manning likely wont know until after the draft if he'll be healthy enough to play this year. We will need to have found our qb long before it's clear what Manning's health situation will be.

who says that there's no decent qb's after weeden? you?

how do you know Kirk Cousins wouldn't get used to the speed of the game while peyton grooms him..how do you know Nick Foles won't improve his decision making after watching game film with peyton manning for two years...how do you know that Brock Osweiler doesn't improve his understanding of defenses after two years under peyton manning?

Peyton Manning would instantly make everyone around him better. he makes a 1-15 team a playoff contender just by playing. and ANYONE can improve by watching his work ethic and knowledge of the game.

yes, i agree with the "why would he WANT to come to washington"...but if he does???? why would we NOT want to get him on this team? Especially if he's willing to sign with an incentive loaded contract. where's the downside?

You really think Shanahan is going to trust Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles to the be the future of this franchise, especially when he is trying to set it up for his son to take over after him? After the top 4 you have a bunch of 2-3 years, at least, project qbs. Taking a risk on one of those projects and Manning, knowing at the time of the draft that it is unclear if he will be healthy enough to play in 2012, would be the height of stupidity and a recipe for more disaster at the qb position.

because trading a bunch of picks to move up in the draft for a qb has worked so well for us in the past?

and you think that my scenerio is more far fetched than shanahan trusting a quarterback that was CATCHING passes two years ago can start the 2012 season with no reservations? ok

When was the last time that we traded up high into the top 10 to take a qb? How can you say it hasnt't worked in the past, when we have never done it, at least not that I'm aware off. Unless you're referring to trading into the late first to draft Campbell, which isn't comparable because we were reaching for a guy that should've been a second rounder. RGIII is universally regarded as a top 5 pick.

I'm just talking about giving up draft picks for a quarterback...whether it's moving up in the draft for campbell or just giving up picks for McNabb...

Ryan Leaf was universally regarded as a top ten pick

CanesSkins26 wrote:Most mock drafts also had Christian Ponder in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, but he went 12th overall. Team's reach for qbs, especially in a very weak free agent class.

I'm sure this is all true. But I think what I said was "you don't know that for certain".

Anyway, I think I'm with you on RGIII if I had to choose. I'd probably rather we make a move up if we need as long as its reasonable than go this Manning route.

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Most mock drafts also had Christian Ponder in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, but he went 12th overall. Team's reach for qbs, especially in a very weak free agent class.

I'm sure this is all true. But I think what I said was "you don't know that for certain".

Anyway, I think I'm with you on RGIII if I had to choose. I'd probably rather we make a move up if we need as long as its reasonable than go this Manning route.

I like RGIII as well...i just don't like giving up draft picks to do it. we've got a lot of holes that need to be filled. My dream scenerio would be that cleveland falls in love with trent richardson and giffin falls to number 6. can only hope!

A healthy Peyton Manning automatically makes us a Super Bowl contender. Plus you have the best QB in the NFL grooming your late second round QB, whoever that might be. Sounds good to me, as long as he is healthy.

riggofan wrote:You don't know that for certain. I haven't seen any mock drafts yet with Ryan Tannehill going in the first round. The scouting reports I've seen on him say he is a project QB, not ready to start immediately and a likely second round pick.

Countertrey wrote:

Correct. AND, unless the rook is a clear project... not likely to be ready in year one... Manning would say no. He expects to be the undisputed started. He's not going to a team if he thinks that he's going to be asked to give way before two years are done... He will not want to face a QB controversy if he has one or two bad games... he want's to be THE man.

I just don't see how its any different than drafting Mallet behind Brady. Nobody is going to tell Brady he's not the man or ask him to take a seat in two years as long as he is killing it on the field.

If Peyton Manning were to come here and play like you expect Peyton Manning to play, why would anyone ask him to take a seat for a QB sitting on the bench?

Either way its not really the point. The point is that Joe Theisman is kind of talking out his a** on this one. Signing a Peyton Manning does not mean you can't be developing a longer term QB at the same time. Aaron Rodgers was a backup behind Favre for THREE seasons.

I'm still not really sure why Manning would choose to come here at all to be honest!

While I understand what you are saying, the difference is, Brady was not shopping for a team... Guarantee, if he were a free agent, he's not signing for a team where there is a quality rook QB on the roster. Period. He does not knowingly go to a team where there is the possibility of a Quarterback controversy... especially to a team (right or wrong) with a history of dumping McNabb, if that team has already drafted a rook with strong starting potential, such as Tannehill.

If we sign PM and draft as high as RGIII trade or no- what's the problem w Payton (one of the best to play the game at qb) grooming him? I know how dreamlandish and far fetched that is - but even rgiii has said he knows his role be it play day one or learn from the starter... What better guy to teach? Until (god forbid) he gets hurt, or decides to retire- one year two? He can be the guy AND help the next one. Then probably coach cus we all know how much football means to this guy. Idk its whatever until a move is made.

Jeremy81 wrote:I'm just talking about giving up draft picks for a quarterback...whether it's moving up in the draft for campbell or just giving up picks for McNabb...

Were you? Looks like you were being more specific than that:

Jeremy81 wrote:because trading a bunch of picks to move up in the draft for a qb has worked so well for us in the past?

But that aside . . . So we used two draft picks to move from the 3rd round to the late 1st to grab Campbell, and we traded two picks to acquire McNabb. And you're saying that those two transactions somehow tell us that trading up 3-4 picks in this year's draft is a bad idea because . . .? Why?

Is there an argument here, or do you just want to throw around empty one-liners?

Ryan Leaf was universally regarded as a top ten pick

So was Peyton Manning. Unless you want to play the lottery, which a dozen teams play every year and only one team has ever won in probably the last 20 years (the Pats with Tom Brady), you have to draft a QB early on.

jr_uscg wrote:A healthy Peyton Manning automatically makes us a Super Bowl contender.

This is my biggest fear with bringing somebody like Peyton Manning here. We will automatically turn into the 2011 Eagles. Super Bowl contenders before we've played a game.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:If we sign PM and draft as high as RGIII trade or no- what's the problem w Payton (one of the best to play the game at qb) grooming him?

There is no "problem" with it. It would be WONDERFUL for RGIII to have a mentor like Peyton Manning to learn from... and, RGIII knows he would be a much better quarterback for it...

The PROBLEM is that I don't believe that Manning would stand for it. If he would, why wouldn't he just stay in Indy? RGIII is not going to stay on the bench for very long... no matter whom he sits behind. By the time anyone decides to sign Manning... he will already know if our bench contains Grossman... or RGIII... If it's the latter... he's not signing with Washington. IMO...

Countertrey wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:If we sign PM and draft as high as RGIII trade or no- what's the problem w Payton (one of the best to play the game at qb) grooming him?

There is no "problem" with it. It would be WONDERFUL for RGIII to have a mentor like Peyton Manning to learn from... and, RGIII knows he would be a much better quarterback for it...

The PROBLEM is that I don't believe that Manning would stand for it. If he would, why wouldn't he just stay in Indy? RGIII is not going to stay on the bench for very long... no matter whom he sits behind. By the time anyone decides to sign Manning... he will already know if our bench contains Grossman... or RGIII... If it's the latter... he's not signing with Washington. IMO...

I might be confused but didn't RGI say something like if he has to wait a few years and be groomed he will wait? If that is the case why would that freak out PM?

I like RGIII, but this guy will be the second pick to go in the draft. The Browns are talking about moving up just to get him and I can't see giving all your picks away for one guy. Peyton won't cost us any draft picks. Plus with two high dollar primere QBs we would have no room with the cap. We can't have everything. So what's it going to be? I like Shanny, but with losing seasons he needs results this year. This guy has a huge ego and it's killing him. Our best bet is Peyton and let him win us a championship.

Dear Peyton:

The Redskins beat your brother's team twice with Rex Grossman this year. Eli now has two rings, you only have one. You can beat your brother twice a year and win the Super Bowl if you become the Redskins Quarterback .

Yes kilmer he did precisely what I'm saying..
I think in Indy they want to get out of paying him, not the whole we gotta start luck since he is number one pick.
28 million is a lot. And just a bonus due in may or what ever!
PM if healthy can start w a rook on the bench and will, maybe even w a Flynn on the bench!
He has to know who ever picks him up it will be a given that team has a plan B. What if he get hurt?