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Red_One43 wrote:DC Local NBC affiliate reported that the owners and players have 48 hours to reach an agreement to save the first week of preseason.

Bet this goes down to the last hour, but then again, isn't that the way these negotiation things work?

I hope you're right BUT the players are just trying to leverage all they can from the owners


I am mad at both sides BUT I'm now becoming a little bit frustrated in how the players are handling this


we'll see how this develops but if this comes down to just trying to get more THEN I'm really going to be pissed at these guys


I hope the owners do not give in to these bunch of spoiled brats

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They are ALL spoiled BRATS.....players and owners alike.

NFLPA leaders told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen a vote among its 32 player representatives appears likely Friday after the group received the "finishing points" of the agreement NFL owners approved Thursday. The NFLPA did not receive those details until after a two-hour conference call with player reps came to a conclusion without a vote Thursday night.

"All in all, despite the games that were played by the NFL, things look much more optimistic," a players' leadership source said.

Greasy...

On the one hand, we have the owners making it seem like the players are holding things up

On the other, the players should have the time to 'review' the proposal before they vote on it


BUT .... it seems to me that the players are now playing games with the owners .... just because they can ...



as I understand it there is the framework of a new CBA in place that both the players and the owners representatives have put together ....

GIVE ME A BREAK - GET BACK TO WORK - the owners and the players continue to screw the fans

I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I would say that most people are smart enough to not sign something before reading it but then again there was the housing market fiasco.... So it doesn't shock me to see people wanting the players to just shut-up and sign.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I would say that most people are smart enough to not sign something before reading it but then again there was the housing market fiasco.... So it doesn't shock me to see people wanting the players to just shut-up and sign.

I concur, CLL, not everyone thinks before they act. Good thing there's people like us

I'm over at ES poking the beehive. LOL. You guys are used to me, sometimes I just like to stir the pot. I have people over their losing their minds right now.

Though this is repetitive of other posts, the idea of simply signing an agreement before reading and understanding its language, just because you've got deal fatigue or even better because some 3rd party (i.e. the fans) is clamoring for you to do so is beyond stupid, its irresponsible and quite frankly, precisely what the more sophisticated, deeper pocket party will always hope you'll do.

I want football right now, too. But I wouldn't advise a client to just sign a contract because the other side said "everything we agreed to is in there, trust us" and no lawyer worth his business card would either.

But but but but, players should just be thankful that the glorious owners are willing to bestow them with tons of monies. I'd play football for free every sunday if I could. LMAO

Chris Luva Luva wrote:But but but but, players should just be thankful that the glorious owners are willing to bestow them with tons of monies. I'd play football for free every sunday if I could. LMAO

The owners should just be thankful that the glorious players are wiling to bestow them with their athletic ability for mere millions of dollars. Wow, the owners are so lucky players are willing to do that. I mean they have so many other options to make that kind of money, and they decided to bless the NFL owners just because darn it, they care about them...



League after league have tried to compete with the NFL and failed. They failed because the NFL is the brand name. The players left whenever the USFL offered them a comparable paycheck. The owners built the brand. The players are the best and deserve to be paid well as the entertainers they are. But your implication the owners are parasites on the players is just ludicrous. The owners built the brand, the players are employees who do a good job.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I don't have any issue at all with the players representatives making sure the rest of the players are fully aware of what the new CBA is all about

my problem is that I'm fairly sure the players are using this "excuse" to try and get a better deal - It's very obvious that the players do not trust the owners and want to see what more they can get out of this new CBA and I'm sure they're more than a little pissed at the way the owners are trying to pressure them into this deal


HOWEVER - I'm not at all convinced that the deal the players will sign shortly will be any different than the deal their representatives 'negotiated' for them

to me, this means the players are just stalling in the hopes of getting more

the only guys getting more out of this continued debacle is the as*h0le lawyers

To imply that the players are not signing because they are not familiar with the new CBA is BS - these players are really pissed at the NFL owners - they are not signing ONLY because they want a better deal


The new CBA needs to be understood by the players but I doubt that what they will sign will be any different than that already negotiated for the players by their 'representatives'

these players are jerking the owners' chain and stalling - just because they can


I wish the owners woud start taking things out of the deal each day this goes on

SkinsJock wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I don't have any issue at all with the players representatives making sure the rest of the players are fully aware of what the new CBA is all about

my problem is that I'm fairly sure the players are using this "excuse" to try and get a better deal - It's very obvious that the players do not trust the owners and want to see what more they can get out of this new CBA and I'm sure they're more than a little pissed at the way the owners are trying to pressure them into this deal


HOWEVER - I'm not at all convinced that the deal the players will sign shortly will be any different than the deal their representatives 'negotiated' for them

to me, this means the players are just stalling in the hopes of getting more

the only guys getting more out of this continued debacle is the as*h0le lawyers

Agreed. If the players don't ratify it and go back to the table, then I think it's a serious mistake and the season will end up never happening unless it's with scab players. This is when the season can happen, it's the best deal the players are going to get. Once the season is shattered, which not closing the deal now would do, the owners might as well ask for a lot more since the players will have a far harder job keeping their unpaid members in line for a whole another year.

But as you say, if the players say no, the lawyers on both sides will be drinking campaign tonight...

I was more so mocking the fans that say it.

SkinsJock wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I don't have any issue at all with the players representatives making sure the rest of the players are fully aware of what the new CBA is all about

my problem is that I'm fairly sure the players are using this "excuse" to try and get a better deal - It's very obvious that the players do not trust the owners and want to see what more they can get out of this new CBA and I'm sure they're more than a little pissed at the way the owners are trying to pressure them into this deal


HOWEVER - I'm not at all convinced that the deal the players will sign shortly will be any different than the deal their representatives 'negotiated' for them

to me, this means the players are just stalling in the hopes of getting more

the only guys getting more out of this continued debacle is the as*h0le lawyers

"I'm not sure what it is they didn't know about or are surprised about. But again, there's certain details that the owners just found out today or don't even know yet."

This was from Ailleo (or whatever his name was) for the NFL owners Would YOU trust ANYONE with that type of transparency? Their own side doesn't even know what's in it, and the opposing side's supposed to jump right in and sign?

I've read nothing that the players said that would lead me to believe they are trying to squeeze anything else out of anything.

Less than an hour later in Washington, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith sent an email to the 32 player representatives saying: "Issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open; other issues, such as workers' compensation, economic issues and end-of-deal terms, remain unresolved. There is no agreement between the NFL and the players at this time."

Sure sounds like due dilligence to me on the players part.

Sure sounds like due dilligence to me on the players part.

Wrong - The players are being put in the same situation that the owners were in when Upshaw was in charge although I will say the owners seem to be a little more heavy about this than the NFLPA were back then

That CBA was not a deal that the owners liked and that's why we are here

I'm of the opinion that the deal should 'favor' the owners - they 'own' the business and are responsible for making it into the business it is and that the players can make so much money from - the players cannot do that or they would

Let's face it - this is a 9 billion a year deal (AND will be even bigger deal soon) and while both the players and owners want more than their fair share I'll guarantee the players end up with making more than enough money


I am on the sleazy owners side on this - the players are only interested in trying to make a better deal than they had - they don't even want to support the retired NFL players (which some of them will soon be) by giving the same percentage and benefits as 'offered' by the owners

I'll say it again - this stalling and intimating that they are not sure about what all the nuances of this deal are is nothing more than a typical lawyer trick to get more money - anyone that thinks the players are concerned about signing a deal that does not make them a ton of money is really just a player supporter and not in touch with what is going on here


I hope the owners start taking things back out of the deal each day that goes on after today

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I would say that most people are smart enough to not sign something before reading it but then again there was the housing market fiasco.... So it doesn't shock me to see people wanting the players to just shut-up and sign.

Except for Dems in Congress

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I would say that most people are smart enough to not sign something before reading it but then again there was the housing market fiasco.... So it doesn't shock me to see people wanting the players to just shut-up and sign.

I understand Chris - I agree that the players should not sign anything that they have not read and fully understood - I just think that the players are holding out for a better deal because they are hoping the owners will give a little more than they already have


I'll bet that the 'agreement' that the players are being asked to sign off on is not all that different than what the players will end up agreeing to except for some really minor details

this is a jerk around by the players' legal guys trying to get the best deal possible


ENOUGH ALREADY - let's get back to work

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm over at ES poking the beehive. LOL. You guys are used to me, sometimes I just like to stir the pot. I have people over their losing their minds right now.

I could go over and help... be sort of a BANNED aid... then again no one needs help getting banned at ES

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't care WHAT you've talked about in person. The only thing that matters is what you sign. And if you think that they should sign it without dissecting it, then you are crazy (whoever you are).

I don't have a problem with the players association taking their time to make sure that what was talked about was written down.

I would say that most people are smart enough to not sign something before reading it but then again there was the housing market fiasco.... So it doesn't shock me to see people wanting the players to just shut-up and sign.

Who wants the players to shut up and sign exactly? I thought they had until Tuesday to do that and keep on track. I haven't really heard anyone say they shouldn't take the time to to review it. Actually what I keep hearing is this exact point explaining the delay, the players hadn't seen it all. Can you be more specific who you're addressing?

I don't trust the media ... BUT ... it does sound like we might be getting back to business and soon


http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports. ... 8/30827569

and an update to the above

http://mike-freeman.blogs.cbssports.com ... ag=Lockout

Looks legit this time. Everyone with the best sources are saying it's a done deal.

Yep. Pretty much an extension of the garbage CBA system we've had in place since 1994. That's too bad. I was hoping that one side or the other would smarten up but apparently not.