Donovan McNabb a REDSKIN!!!

[KazooSkinsFan]

You guys aren't excited about this??? Do you guys not understand that we just landed a 6 time Pro Bowl QB whose gone to the NFC Championship 4 times with mediocre talent.

We have had Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerferel, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Mark Brunell, Todd Colins, Heath Shuler???

Are you guys seriously thinking we took a step back?

I'm with you, I think this is a nice upgrade for us and it buys us some time to upgrade the line and find a QB of the future to groom.

[spenser]

This was me last night. It's a fair price, could've been better for us, but also could've been worse. At least we get instant production out of a 2nd rd pick.

Good point. Like Pulp says though, we've gotta nail down an extension on this cat and quick, or anything beyond this season flies out the window.

I am banking that Bruce Allen wouldn't have traded for him if the extension wasn't in the works. I'm hoping that we wouldn't go into this thing like that, uh oh, now I'm worried.

I would expect an extension pronto. if not, then maybe we are up to something else. it's a longshot, and a goofy way to go about a trade. if there was a 3rd team involved, then you go ahead and include them in the trade lest you get left holding the green bag of used EAGLE qb. I don't care if he's sonny jurgenson part II, this is just gay football. All hail Mr. Eagle himself coming over to be our hero QB.

Im sure you'll be puking all the way untill #5 hits Tana in STRIDE for a 60 yard TD strike. Somthing we havnt seen much lately

[fleetus]

I'm still a little blah on the whole thing. Sure, I think it's better to get a veteran than draft someone and throw them right in there. But in our situation, we need lineman. And we need them bad. I don't care who you throw back there, if they don't get better protection, then we're done - AGAIN.

If anyone on here things that McNabb helps us win more than 2 games with the same line, you're nuts.

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. This line will be zone blocking. D. Thomas and M. Kelly will both be better. ey and Davis will be on the field together at times. The Rb will be a combo of Portis, Parker and LJ. Then you add McNabb to an offensive scheme that was the best passing offense in the NFL last year. There will be more than a 2 game improvement easily.

[Skins Fan in Indy]

I would much rather have McNabb then a Clauson or Bradford. Campbell is the future, but McNabb is the now!. Allen and Shannahan would not have pulled that deal unless there was a big picture outlook. I like the move!

[Countertrey]

I am so stoked that our guys are making bold moves and trades to help this team - this guy will be a very stabling influence

we all know we are a few years away but we can now build up the other areas and in the 2011 draft or even 2012 find a future star to groom as the QB - we do not need to draft a QB in the lower rounds this year, we have a lot of other issues

A "few years away"? I disagree strongly ... and I think Allen and Shannahan do too, otherwise they would not trade for a Vet QB like McNabb.

We upgrade the 0-line, and now have an instant legit QB running things .. this team will be competitive out of the blocks. Then you determine at the end of 2010 where the remaining weak spots are, and you address that in the offseason.

Boys, we just saw a power shift in the NFC East ... McNabb puts us in a position of solid competition within the division.

My only question is ... What are the Eagles smoking? This has got to be one of the most poorly conceived strategies in professional sports.

I thought they were losing it by contemplating getting rid of him in the first place and turning things over to an unproven talent ... but to trade him to the Redskins???? I'm totally FLOORED.

I never would have believed this deal would have ever been possible. Never in a Million years.

McNabb is 33 ... he's easily got another 3+ years in the tank. More than enough time to carry this team while Shannahan finds the right youngster to groom as the replacement.

So much for the quiet offseason.

This is absolutely correct. I believe that Shanahan is doing something that none of us expected. He wants to compete NOW... and this is the proof.

I had settled on a year or two of rebuilding, then a move into real competitiveness...

Yesterday evening, however, that all changed. This team will challenge this year.



The sky is NOT falling. Open your eyes. Enjoy the shift in the balance of power in the NFC East that you are watching unfold before your eyes.

This is cause to celebrate...

If you want to mourn... do it for Dallas, who are, at this very moment, screaming "WHAT WAS ANDY REID THINKING?????"

Do it for thousands of NYC Cabbies, who opened their sports page and exclaimed "DOH!"

And, do it for the perpetually pathetic phans of Philly, who are realizing that there is a growing possibility that McNabb may actually win a Superbowl... (how rich would that be?).

One more piece may be all that's needed to make this team truly competitive... that would be a franchise quality LT. A bookend on the right makes it even better.

The LT may happen soon enough.

[tribeofjudah]

I am so stoked that our guys are making bold moves and trades to help this team - this guy will be a very stabling influence

we all know we are a few years away but we can now build up the other areas and in the 2011 draft or even 2012 find a future star to groom as the QB - we do not need to draft a QB in the lower rounds this year, we have a lot of other issues

A "few years away"? I disagree strongly ... and I think Allen and Shannahan do too, otherwise they would not trade for a Vet QB like McNabb.

We upgrade the 0-line, and now have an instant legit QB running things .. this team will be competitive out of the blocks. Then you determine at the end of 2010 where the remaining weak spots are, and you address that in the offseason.

Boys, we just saw a power shift in the NFC East ... McNabb puts us in a position of solid competition within the division.

My only question is ... What are the Eagles smoking? This has got to be one of the most poorly conceived strategies in professional sports.

I thought they were losing it by contemplating getting rid of him in the first place and turning things over to an unproven talent ... but to trade him to the Redskins???? I'm totally FLOORED.

I never would have believed this deal would have ever been possible. Never in a Million years.

McNabb is 33 ... he's easily got another 3+ years in the tank. More than enough time to carry this team while Shannahan finds the right youngster to groom as the replacement.

So much for the quiet offseason.

Furthermore....DMac knows the NFC east compitition. He has the lowdown on the Eagles, Giants, and the Cowpukes. He knows their schemes and he knows how to exploit and beat them. Hip Hip Hooray (oopps old school)

I wasn't a big FAN of this news, but I warming up to it more and more and more........ Dmac in the House.....

[Sir_Monk]

I am so stoked that our guys are making bold moves and trades to help this team - this guy will be a very stabling influence

we all know we are a few years away but we can now build up the other areas and in the 2011 draft or even 2012 find a future star to groom as the QB - we do not need to draft a QB in the lower rounds this year, we have a lot of other issues

A "few years away"? I disagree strongly ... and I think Allen and Shannahan do too, otherwise they would not trade for a Vet QB like McNabb.

We upgrade the 0-line, and now have an instant legit QB running things .. this team will be competitive out of the blocks. Then you determine at the end of 2010 where the remaining weak spots are, and you address that in the offseason.

Boys, we just saw a power shift in the NFC East ... McNabb puts us in a position of solid competition within the division.

My only question is ... What are the Eagles smoking? This has got to be one of the most poorly conceived strategies in professional sports.

I thought they were losing it by contemplating getting rid of him in the first place and turning things over to an unproven talent ... but to trade him to the Redskins???? I'm totally FLOORED.

I never would have believed this deal would have ever been possible. Never in a Million years.

McNabb is 33 ... he's easily got another 3+ years in the tank. More than enough time to carry this team while Shannahan finds the right youngster to groom as the replacement.

So much for the quiet offseason.

This is absolutely correct. I believe that Shanahan is doing something that none of us expected. He wants to compete NOW... and this is the proof.

I had settled on a year or two of rebuilding, then a move into real competitiveness...

Yesterday evening, however, that all changed. This team will challenge this year.



The sky is NOT falling. Open your eyes. Enjoy the shift in the balance of power in the NFC East that you are watching unfold before your eyes.

This is cause to celebrate...

If you want to mourn... do it for Dallas, who are, at this very moment, screaming "WHAT WAS ANDY REID THINKING?????"

Do it for thousands of NYC Cabbies, who opened their sports page and exclaimed "DOH!"

And, do it for the perpetually pathetic phans of Philly, who are realizing that there is a growing possibility that McNabb may actually win a Superbowl... (how rich would that be?).

One more piece may be all that's needed to make this team truly competitive... that would be a franchise quality LT. A bookend on the right makes it even better.

The LT may happen soon enough.

Last night I was ticked off that we made the deal. I kind of wanted to see the front office replace the core of the team with a full rebuild. After thinking about it this morning; I still prefer blowing up the majority of this team and starting over, I havemore faith in the football people in charge right now that they will do this the right way.

[Bob 0119]

The way I look at it, the Redskins were going to use a pick on a QB anyway. Whether it was Clausen at #4 or Tebow in the second round; one of those picks was going to be QB. If we spent our Tebow pick on McNabb I don't see how that's a bad deal.

At least with McNabb we know we have a QB that can compete at this level (6 probowls and 8 play-off berths in 10 seasons says a lot).

I think many of us are conditioned to expect the Redskins "quick-fix" where we do all of our free-agency stuff at the beginning of free agency and all of our draft stuff on draft day and then nothing else the rest of the year.

The Redskins have brought in O-lineman. No one to get excited over, but they are looking. They have a chance to draft a couple or a few on draft day.

After the draft, when they see who they have, and who they still need, I expect we'll see more free-agent O-linemen, and probably some more as teams make their cuts in August.

If Mcnabb can last five years, he'll be the first QB to do so since '89-'93 when Mark Rypien did it 17 years and 8 QB's ago.

Surprisingly, B. Mitch and Wilbon are both very in favor of this move, and these are two guys who love taking shots at Snyder. They aren't laughing, they are applauding.

[skinsfan#33]

One more piece may be all that's needed to make this team truly competitive... that would be a franchise quality LT. A bookend on the right makes it even better.

How about a RT or a backup at LT. I think we need all three before we can be considered a serious playoff contender.

If we drat a LT and we draft the correct one, we might be 8-8 or 9-7. We need that RT and backup LT to be considered legit!

[fleetus]

My first thought is that I don't like it. We're giving up a 2nd and a 3rd/4th for 3-5 years, and that's stretcing it. You can't guarantee a QB will hold up past 35, especially behind our line. And unless Shanahan has a few Aces up his sleeve, then we're in for another long year.

And just to emphasize a point: We've given up 2 picks(2nd and 3rd/4th) for a 3-5 year guy. And for his replacement, we'll probably drop another 1st rnd. So for our future franchise QB (and this is even stretching considering our past luch with franchise QBs) we're giving up a 1st, HIGH 2nd, and a 3rd or 4th. That's a big price to pay.

I'm still of the mindset that JC can do better until the Shanahans if we focused on the Oline. I know it's the minority opinion. I also think that JC's better than Grossman.

I believe in the long run, this hurts our rebuilding. I still have faith in ShanAllen, but this trade doesn't give me a warm an fuzzy currently.

I see your point, but most rookies only sign a 3-4 yr. contract. So there is no guarantee you can keep the guys you draft beyond that anyway. And any QB you draft is going to take a minimum of 1 season, most likely 2, before he is anywhere near McNabb's level. Then if you look at all the QB's drafted in the first round over the past 10 years, what percentage of them ever reached mcNabb's level? Maybe 30%?

We can still draft a QB if we want, next year, to groom behind McNabb. And now we have a QB that knows how to beat the Eagles twice a year. That's abig plus by itself. We draft Okung, hopefully. Thomas and Kelly get to take the next step in development playing in Kyle Shanahan's very prolific passing offense, run by a great QB. This is a good situation. We need to embrace this because we just went from a rebuilding year with a good caoch and GM to a 2010 playoff contender in one move.

[Pablo]

I laugh at all the negative comments regarding this trade. I like Jason and suppoerted him, but when you look a the whole picture it makes complete sense. Mcnabb can still play and has some 3 to 5 yars left in him. I would rather have Mcnabb-Shanahn than Campbell-Zorn all day long. Now we need to get Okung and have Levy Jones fight for the right Tackle position with Adams and we are in good shape for the upcoming season, the future is now baby!!!! I dont expect Superbowl, I am realistic and expect to be competitive and make a push in December, then build on it with picks and free agends once the coaching stuff figures out who we really are as a team...

[brad7686]

Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. RT and RG will be manned by people that are quite unathletic. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

[stacylee12]

Y'all should call in to Sirius NFL Radio... They just took their first caller saying this was bad from a Redskins point of view and though they [the commentators: I think it is Ross Tucker and Jim Miller right now] didn't laugh out loud, they said they didn't get how it could be seen as anything but positive for the 'Skins and didn't even bother to comment.

It is fun listening to the Giants and Boys fans complain though!

[BearSkins]

Surprisingly, B. Mitch and Wilbon are both very in favor of this move, and these are two guys who love taking shots at Snyder. They aren't laughing, they are applauding.

Wilbon has the mad man-love for McNabb. Both Chicago guys but I dunno if they know each other?

I think this is a great move for the Skins and a dumb one for the Eagles. My chin is still bruised form when my jaw dropped open...

[Countertrey]

There is tunnel vision here. Shame.

This is an opportunity to celebrate.

Can you name the Hall of Fame Offensive linemen under Shanahan at Denver? There is ONE OT in the Bronco's ring of fame (Gary Zimmerman, who retired in 1992)

The point is, Shanahan will raise a competitive team with an OL that is "good enough". He will be drafting a dominant OT, who is NFL ready (assuming Okung remains on the board). He WILL find a "good enough" RT. I think he is satisfied with the talent currently on the team at G and C. There will be "good enough" players released from other teams later.

[Bob 0119]

Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

Sure LJ and Parker are old, but it's obvious that the team doesn't see them as "the future" as they both got one-year deals. We may use them, or they may make for interesting trade bait later in the offseason when teams see what they really have after the draft.

Boith deals are relatively modest (i.e. trade friendly) and if nobody bites we go into the season with three 1,000 yard rushers.

We traded two draft picks. A sencond rounder (which we most likely would have used on Tebow) and a third for next year (which we may get back in a trade later). It's not the worst trade ever.

So, to recap, we have three running-backs capable of 1,000 yards a season and a QB that can make even mediocre recievers look like pros, the final ingredient is a few O-linemen and some concerns on the defensive side of things.

Maybe the sky is too high up, because I can't see it falling just yet.

[brad7686]

Hate to glorify Ttit, but we WON"T be competitive because of depth and youth, things teams like the cowboys have. The beginning of the year looked promising when we cut a lot of old players, but now they are sacrificing draft picks and signing elderly RB's. Half the team will be injured. Just like always. We won't compete because we are old and have no depth. The offensive line is swiss cheese, and besides LT, probably won't improve. There are no proven weapons on offense either aside from McNabb. McNabb is a great player, will help the offense, but is unnecessary for this team. Anybody who thinks 1 player makes a difference on this train wreck is fooling themselves. Where did we finish last year? Are we gonna change things that drastically by the time he retires? Especially if we continue to pass on drafting young, talented players?

Sure LJ and Parker are old, but it's obvious that the team doesn't see them as "the future" as they both got one-year deals. We may use them, or they may make for interesting trade bait later in the offseason when teams see what they really have after the draft.

Boith deals are relatively modest (i.e. trade friendly) and if nobody bites we go into the season with three 1,000 yard rushers.

We traded two draft picks. A sencond rounder (which we most likely would have used on Tebow) and a third for next year (which we may get back in a trade later). It's not the worst trade ever.

So, to recap, we have three running-backs capable of 1,000 yards a season and a QB that can make even mediocre recievers look like pros, the final ingredient is a few O-linemen and some concerns on the defensive side of things.

Maybe the sky is too high up, because I can't see it falling just yet.

The sky for the redskins vacillates between medium and low due to terrible management. It is never high, occasionally band-aids lift the fog for the time being.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Wilbon has the mad man-love for McNabb. Both Chicago guys but I dunno if they know each other?

Yes, Wilbon's got that one right, McNabb is a great pickup for us. He's a quality QB who gives us several years to find and groom a replacement. I still don't get Rush Limbaugh thinking McNabb is overrated. I guess even the great El Rushbo can get one wrong once in awhile...

[Redskin in Canada]

So, we landed Mr. McChoke. Big deal.

What a pile of crap.

T.O. is next, right?

I would rather have a good team in 2011 and 2012 than a choker in 2010.

Vinny-like trade.

[jeremyroyce]

As a DC transplant in Philly this is great. I probably know more about why the Eagle fans wanted him gone but I believe more of the failiings had to do with Reid's playcalling than D.M. play. Welcome to Washington.

Those Philthy fans just do not know how good they have had it the past 11 years. How many Qbs have we gone through? How many coaches have we gone through? Philthy fans thats for sure.

If you have a winning piece. You add more pieces around that piece. The Smegols never could put enough around Mcnabb to put them over the hump.

You guys should read some of the forums. Many fans have said good riddens. Wow, what a way to thank the best Qb in franchise history. Good enough you philthy fans get what you deserve!

Yeah, man. I'm with you on this. I just can't understand what these people are thinking. We have gone through QB'S like water. McNabb has been a elite QB for years for them. I would have loved to have McNabb here his whole career. They should appreciate what he has done for that team. They derserve to be losers

[funbuncher]

Wilbon has the mad man-love for McNabb. Both Chicago guys but I dunno if they know each other?

Yes, Wilbon's got that one right, McNabb is a great pickup for us. He's a quality QB who gives us several years to find and groom a replacement. I still don't get Rush Limbaugh thinking McNabb is overrated. I guess even the great El Rushbo can get one wrong once in awhile...

El-Rushbo wasn't wrong. McNabb is over-rated. Many NFL people share this opinion. They are just behind the curve, where-as Rush was saying it in 2003 or whenever. I'm afraid we're all going to get ANOTHER lesson here. the grass is not always greener. got to say, I expected to come to this board and see folks #1, pissed that we are welcoming in Mr. Philadelphia Eagle to be our newest hero, and #2, pissed that we were throwing away draft picks on old guys again.

I'm going to have to get behind this somehow eventually, but it currently makes my skin crawl.

btw, not a shock that Wilbon and B-Mitch love the move. if he was white, would they love the move as much? Did Wilbon write a puff piece about Favre going to the Jets? or Warner going to Arizona? off topic... nothing to see here...

like I said, going to have to swallow this pill. why is no one else bothered by bringing in a mercenary from a hated rival? I'm not so traditional that I don't get that this is the way the NFL works now, and McNabb is a nice guy and all, but this is a RIVALRY man! I hate the Eagles. it seems to me you guys would have thrown a party if we had plucked Aikman from the Cowboys after his prime! blaahhh. makes me sick. just because he's good doesn't mean we want him. if you want to steal a Cowboy or Eagle, do it before he's made a name for himself, or before they realize how good the player is. Don't get bent over by the guy for a decade and then expect me to celebrate him wearing our colors after his own team deemed him expendable.

[brad7686]

People always say that the Eagles and Patriots disrespect their veterans. But where are they every year? Playoffs? They understand the game. Get draft picks. Play the cap. Stay young. Granted, they have treated McNabb like crap up until this point, through no fault of his own. But at this point in his career, I can understand moving him.

[KazooSkinsFan]

why is no one else bothered by bringing in a mercenary from a hated rival? I'm not so traditional that I don't get that this is the way the NFL works now, and McNabb is a nice guy and all, but this is a RIVALRY man! I hate the Eagles. it seems to me you guys would have thrown a party if we had plucked Aikman from the Cowboys after his prime!

Cowboy fans didn't boo Aikman

[Deadskins]

Either way, Campbell is not on this team next year and I think we need to get a 2nd out of a trade to make this work. If we get a 2nd for him, we basically picked up McNabb for a 3rd round pick next year which is the equivalent to a 4th round pick this year. That would deserve a standing ovation.

If we got McNabb for a 3rd, I would have been estatic; but we didn't. We gave up a top 40 pick for a 33 year old QB. Are we rebuilding? Every time I turn around, we are picking up mid-30s players. We just picked up Parker, who at 29, is like picking up a QB that is 40.

We gave too much up for McNabb. While I think that he is a top 5 QB in th league (as of LAST YEAR), he isn't worth, at 33, what we paid for him. He has been getting hurt more and more often. There is a reason Philly wanted to dump him for a young, generally unproven QB. I love McNabb, but I want to move FORWARD with youth, not tread water with age. This is a bandaid.

And to why I pasted-chief's post. There is NO WAY we get a 2nd for JC. If I am wrong, I will admit it, but I doubt I am. We will get a 4th at best (maybe a late 3rd from a desperate team), but nothing more. This is not a 2nd for 2nd swap. If it was, we would have had a 3 team deal working. Do you really think that JC is worth what McNabb is right now??? He's not; even with his age. If you really think about it, JC is only 6 years younger than McNabb. He is actually pretty old for what he has accomplished (or not accomplished) in the NFL. We are basically getting a 3rd next year for 4th this year swap and spending our top 40 pick on McNabb -- which, again, I think is too much.

I am happy we finally have a good QB, but am not happy that the FO is overlooking the teams future by continuing to pick up aged vets in the FA/trading market.

McNabb's deal also includes a 3rd/4th rounder next year, so getting just a 2nd for JC is not saying the two have equivalent value. And as has been stated before, the RBs we brought in were FAs so there is no cost associated with them that will prevent us from upgrading the position with youth through the draft.

[brad7686]

Three things sum this up

1.McNabb is a good player

2.He can't lead this team to a super bowl, limp into the playoffs maybe. If you want to limp into the playoffs on the backs of aging veterans, while never developing a young, consistent core, this is the team for you.

3.It was a bad move

I'm beginning to worry that Shanny fears the Danny and is afraid to be bad on purpose for a while. Even if it is needed.