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SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

PulpExposure wrote:

Jake wrote:despite him doing everything in his power to wring every dollar out of their wallets

I completely agree that he needs to rehab his image with the fans...and his PR guys are just terrible.

However, if he was really doing everything in his power to wring every dollar out of the fans' wallets, he would have raised ticket prices more often than he has; twice in the entire time he's owned the Redskins. He doesn't do PSLs, either, which are purely a screw-job to the fans.

The Ravens, on the other hand, have raised ticket prices every other year, and who brought (if I remember right) the PSL to the NFL.

And he could certainly raise ticket prices...as of November 2008, the Redskins had only the 10th highest average ticket price, behind teams like Kansas City and Indianapolis, both of whom are situated in far less affluent areas than Washington.

When he reads this you know that's going to change.

He's going to bring PSL's here in the near future. It's only a matter of time. I'm shocked he hasn't done it yet.

I'm not going to compliment him for NOT raising ticket prices to watch a mediocre product. It's what he should be doing in the first place. Standing pat.

And the fact that he laid off 20 employees earlier this year/late last year, whenever it was, and pays ONE guy $41 million guaranteed in the midst of a $100 million contract is completely ridiculous to me and shows what kind of person he is.

There's a reason there have been so many PR people here since he's been here. And the reason they suck is because they're not allowed to say anything. You'd be miserable if you worked for him, too.

VetSkinsFan wrote:There are different leadship styles and no one right way to do things in professional life. One example of a successful leader does not make a cookie cutter and the only way to be successful in an ownership.

I like to look back and from previous posts, we have a lot of questionable signings, but as we get more recent, the busts are less and less. Could this be a sign of positive evolution?

I would like to believe as an owner, he's evolving. Really, the guy was 34 when he took over. Think how young 34 is to have the responsibility he was. He was the youngest majority shareholder EVER. Especially as a fan, I bet part of it on some level, was like a super-incredible fantasy team. I don't see him operating the same he was a 7-10 years ago. I see more sound decisions being made. He's still relatively young.

Hope for the best, expect the worst, and we'll fall somewhere in between. Don't give up before the benefit of a doubt is given.

I agree, Vet. And to echo what Pulp said, I also agree he needs to rehab his image. Better management is a start and I believe he's doing that. But the last thing I'd want to see is Dan Snyder all over the TV, news paper, radio stations... giving interviews, answering questions - which should be answered by the coaches and the players - and all over the sidelines during games. That's what Jerry Jones' approach. I prefer Snyder stays behind the scenes and allows the football people to handle the press, which he's doing.

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

Thank you for making my point.

I didn't say I'd want to see Snyder ALL OVER, either. Just talk to them more than he does. That's all he needs to do. I don't want to see him on every day but it's annoying that any interview he gives is a "rare" interview.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

Thank you for making my point.

I'm not loyal to him one bit. It's the team. Not him. I wish he never came here.

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Probably subjective as well. For me, it is the continuation of a family tradition. My grandparents were diehard fans, my father was a diehard fan, my siblings are fans, when I still lived in Virginia I'd go to every game with my cousins. One of my most treasured possessions is a penant my father got for me prior to the Super Bowl against the raiders. He went and stood for hours to get me signatures made out to me of five team members, including Art Monk and Russ Grimm. I was 9 at the time. It is one of my best memories of him. Just as I didn't choose my country, I didn't choose which team I follow, but in both cases I'm happy about which one I got. Imagine being born a lions fan?

Jake wrote:

Cappster wrote:Why does the owner have to talk to the fans? I would rather him shut up and run the operation in the background and let the coaches and players be the faces of the franchise.

To improve his image and actually acknowledge the people that keep his billion-dollar venture afloat. You know... the people that support his venture despite him doing everything in his power to wring every dollar out of their wallets without giving them a worthwhile gameday experience or quality approach to building a franchise.

He has shut up for most of the last 7-8 years but has run the operation improperly and into the ground.

And how can he let coaches and players be faces of the franchise when they're only here for a couple years at a time?

Keep in mind that he is running a business and his main goal is to make money off of his business. He is not the only owner out there that tries to make huge profits off of the consumer. He has it easy, because one, football basically sells itself and two, people like you and me still support the franchise despite him running the show.

I don't want to sound like I am defending Snyder, but I can try and see things from his point of view. I don't think he has run the organization into the ground. He may have had a rough start when he took over the franchise, but I do think he has improved some of his football related decision making abilities.

Why let players and coaches be the face of the franchise? You do it because they are the ones doing the interviews, having blogs and tweets, and they are the ones you watch on the football field. Joe Gibbs was the face (and arguably still is) of the franchise when he was here. Owners in general are frowned upon, because they are rich and want to take your money. He could do a better job of publicly extending an olive branch to the fans, but why? His business is thriving so things must not be that bad.

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

Thank you for making my point.

I'm not loyal to him one bit. It's the team. Not him.

I totally agree. We are all loyal to the TEAM first and have no control over the what the owner does. But in my mind, he is a human being that has admitted to past mistakes. Therefore, as far as how I've been raised, when someone admits their mistakes and makes efforts to better themselves, which I believe Snyder is doing, he gets the benefit of the doubt. He's only human, and we all make mistakes.

PulpExposure wrote:

Jake wrote:despite him doing everything in his power to wring every dollar out of their wallets

I completely agree that he needs to rehab his image with the fans...and his PR guys are just terrible.

However, if he was really doing everything in his power to wring every dollar out of the fans' wallets, he would have raised ticket prices more often than he has; twice in the entire time he's owned the Redskins. He doesn't do PSLs, either, which are purely a screw-job to the fans.

The Ravens, on the other hand, have raised ticket prices every other year, and who brought (if I remember right) the PSL to the NFL.

And he could certainly raise ticket prices...as of November 2008, the Redskins had only the 10th highest average ticket price, behind teams like Kansas City and Indianapolis, both of whom are situated in far less affluent areas than Washington.

He may have officially raised ticket prices only twice, but he has done other things to increase revenue. The taxes on the tickets used to be included when you bought season tickets, then one year he started breaking them out, so a ticket that was $45 including tax became $45 plus tax. He has also raised parking and concession fees. At RFK, you could ride the metro and not have to pay for parking. He also increased seating throughout the stadium after it was built, reducing the value of a ticket for everyone there without reducing the price - effectively an increase. I have no doubt there would have been PSL's if Snyder had been the owner when the stadium was built. In Denver, the team sells 5,000 tickets to each game at half price so that regular people can go.

Cappster wrote:Why does the owner have to talk to the fans? I would rather him shut up and run the operation in the background and let the coaches and players be the faces of the franchise.

Why? Because he put himself out there from the getgo and when he fell flat on his face he dissapeared. So he left the stage with a piss poor public image and if he wants it fixed he needs to do better.

He has blood on his hands and it's his fault.

SnyderSucks wrote: He has also raised parking and concession fees. At RFK, you could ride the metro and not have to pay for parking.

Does the Metro even go to FedEx? I don't know, I don't live there anymore. Bit if it doesn't, that's not his fault. And as far as the concessions go, I can tell firsthand that FedEx prices are exactly the same as they are at all three NFL stadiums in Florida.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Cappster wrote:Why does the owner have to talk to the fans? I would rather him shut up and run the operation in the background and let the coaches and players be the faces of the franchise.

Why? Because he put himself out there from the getgo and when he fell flat on his face he dissapeared. So he left the stage with a piss poor public image and if he wants it fixed he needs to do better.

He has blood on his hands and it's his fault.

So, do you want to see him out there all the time on TV and on ESPN, speaking as the voice for the team like Jerry Jones does? In my mind, winning will better his image with the fans. Going on TV only makes him a bigger target for the media. I agree with Cappster... at this point, let the players and the coaches be the face of the franchise... which they are.

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote: He has also raised parking and concession fees. At RFK, you could ride the metro and not have to pay for parking.

Does the Metro even go to FedEx? I don't know, I don't live there anymore. Bit if it doesn't, that's not his fault. And as far as the concessions go, I can tell firsthand that FedEx prices are exactly the same as they are at all three NFL stadiums in Florida.

Naw Bro, it isn't close really. Someone could go to the nearest metro and hop on a cab to the game or even a bus. Leaving would be horrific though.

SkinsFreak wrote:So, do you want to see him out there all the time on TV and on ESPN, speaking as the voice for the team like Jerry Jones does? In my mind, winning will better his image with the fans. Going on TV only makes him a bigger target for the media. I agree with Cappster... at this point, let the players and the coaches be the face of the franchise... which they are.

I'm not saying that I want him out there. I dont give a flying youknowwhwat about him but IF HE wants to fix it, he needs to do it right.

SkinsJock wrote:

Jake wrote:I knew about all of those hardships he has/is dealing with and I feel bad for him in regards to all those on a human level but as an owner and as far as his personality goes, I have zero sympathy for him. This article has not changed my mind about anything. He will never learn.

agreed - there is no way he will change

It's really a little scary that he thinks this team is "pretty good"- we are coming off an 8-8 record that, while it included a 6-2 beginning, really showed we had a lot of work to do to both lines, the receivers, the QB and yes even the "rookie" coach.

we'll see what happens this year and I for one hope that we keep Zorn even if we go 8-8 or 9-7 - the ONLY reason to change our HC should be because he has shown he cannot get it done. I believe there is a great chance that Snyder will fire him just because there is a new "toy" on the shelf looking for a 'payday' - that's the way of the Snyder run Redskins - we are destined for mediocrity with this guy.

He is changing. Maybe not in all the ways & to the extent you or I or any other fan may want him to.

SkinsJock wrote:

Jake wrote:I knew about all of those hardships he has/is dealing with and I feel bad for him in regards to all those on a human level but as an owner and as far as his personality goes, I have zero sympathy for him. This article has not changed my mind about anything. He will never learn.

agreed - there is no way he will change

It's really a little scary that he thinks this team is "pretty good"- we are coming off an 8-8 record that, while it included a 6-2 beginning, really showed we had a lot of work to do to both lines, the receivers, the QB and yes even the "rookie" coach.

we'll see what happens this year and I for one hope that we keep Zorn even if we go 8-8 or 9-7 - the ONLY reason to change our HC should be because he has shown he cannot get it done. I believe there is a great chance that Snyder will fire him just because there is a new "toy" on the shelf looking for a 'payday' - that's the way of the Snyder run Redskins - we are destined for mediocrity with this guy.

He is changing. Maybe not in all the ways & to the extent you or I or any other fan may want him to.

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

Thank you for making my point.

I'm not loyal to him one bit. It's the team. Not him. I wish he never came here.

Who is a fan of an owner of a sports franchise? We're sports fans to watch the sport.

Snyder is never going to do enough for some people.

If Snyder comes out and becomes more accessable:

-If the team is losing, then people will say he's just making excuses and looking for people to blame

-If the team's winning then people will say he's just trying to take credit.

This is the second interview I've seen with him. The other was with Kelly Johnson on ComcastSportsnet (I don't know how much more local you can get) and I have found both to be insightful. Where he admitted that he made the wrong choice firing Charlie Casserly versus Norv Turner (I remember the Turner years vividly, and felt his firing was LONG overdue). Sure he's not Leonsis, but very few people are. I've seen Snyder in Jersey's, and I've seen Leonsis in suits while at games.

I'm glad we don't see him all the time. I'm glad he's not trying to make the team all about him anymore (which you KNOW is what he'd be accused of the moment he starts a media blitz like some are calling for).

I think he's a better owner than many are willing to ever give him credit for.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

Thank you for making my point.

I'm not loyal to him one bit. It's the team. Not him. I wish he never came here.

Who is a fan of an owner of a sports franchise? We're sports fans to watch the sport.

I think you hit the nail on the head VetSkinsFan. The vast majority of owners are not liked and that is just the way it is. And you know what? If Snyder never came here, we could be worse off such as an owner who doesn't do what he can to try and win. At least he has tried to bring in guys we can help our team. Yes, he has made a lot of bad decisions, but a person shouldn't recognize all of the bad and not any of the good. I know all of us were praising Snyder when he brought Gibbs back for a second stint. It didn't work out quite as planned, but it was a great move nonetheless.

Bob 0119 wrote:I think he's a better owner than many are willing to ever give him credit for.

That's absolutely right. As you put it, he essentially cannot win. Whatever he does, he'll get slammed for it.

A lot of it is a reputation earned by his crappy behavior at the beginning of his ownership. But...he's been a lot better since then, but many folks aren't willing to acknowledge this.

Second, Jake, with respect to firing 20 people in the front office while paying a player 41 million...that happens all the damn time in many industries. I work in a law firm, and law firms have been shedding both support staff and associates in record numbers...but have (for the most part) been able to maintain the high pay for the equity partners. Seriously, these partners could easily take a 50k cut a year to keep on an assistant or other support staff person, but they don't.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Jake wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

SnyderSucks wrote:Snyder was never elected, so explain to me exactly what he has done to earn our loyalty?

That's subjective, apparently, but why then are we all loyal to the Redskins?

Because we love the TEAM itself and not solely the owner. We were all here before he was the owner. We have been and will be stuck with him.

Thank you for making my point.

I'm not loyal to him one bit. It's the team. Not him. I wish he never came here.

Who is a fan of an owner of a sports franchise? We're sports fans to watch the sport.

Ted Leonsis is extremely popular among Caps fans and he has played a very significant role in making hockey popular in DC again. He does a lot of interviews with the media, spends a lot of times with the fans, etc. He is essentially the exact opposite of Dan Snyder and Caps fans love him.

I think he's a better owner than many are willing to ever give him credit for.

Completely disagree. In the end it all comes down to wins and loses and in that regard he has failed miserably thus far as an owner.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I think he's a better owner than many are willing to ever give him credit for.

Completely disagree. In the end it all comes down to wins and loses and in that regard he has failed miserably thus far as an owner.

What, for you, constitutes a "miserable failure," especially as compared to a "failure" and "mediocre" performance? Since Snyder has been an owner, the team has gone 76-84, or a .48 win percentage.

Is that a success? No. But it's also one solid season away from an overall winning record.

A "miserable failure?" I guess that makes every owner with a .40 win percentage (or lower), what. . . .nonexistent?

My question to you is: why must hyperbole be invoked at every possible turn?

Irn-Bru wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I think he's a better owner than many are willing to ever give him credit for.

Completely disagree. In the end it all comes down to wins and loses and in that regard he has failed miserably thus far as an owner.

What, for you, constitutes a "miserable failure," especially as compared to a "failure" and "mediocre" performance? Since Snyder has been an owner, the team has gone 76-84, or a .48 win percentage.

That begs the question; did everyone consider John Kent Cooke as a miserable failure also...because after he took over for dad, his winning percentage was even lower.

Also, I have to say, requiring people call him Mr. Snyder really is the hallmark of a total douchebag.

After all that he's done we were 8-8 last year and without being a little biased we really don't look like a certainty for the playoffs this year - each year we are a team that hopes to be in the playoffs but each year we have a 'reason' for not being there - we have been mediocre under Snyder and I am just tired of that

that does not mean I am less of a fan, I'm just tired of how these 2 bozos run the team - I was a fan before they came and I will be a fan with them or without them - I'm just not going to buy into the blind loyalty BS anymore



I will hope for the best each week but I am really disapointed that we just aren't the same 'team' we used to be

HAIL