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I wonder if the Broncos took the Bears offer because the Skins play the Broncos this year in DC? I think our offer knowing Snyder had to be pretty close to what the Bears gave up.

I absolutely agree, the offensive line is the issue, the only issue with the qb, young WR's and head coach IMO

Vinny could have matched this deal easily if he wanted.

The Chicago Bears pick 18th, and they're probably a better team than us (which relates to their first rounder next season). The Redskins could have offered up Jason Campbell their first this year, their third this year and their first next season... they have all those picks! And no one could argue that offer wasn't better than Chicago's!

The fact is this was either all speculation or we were interested to a point. The Danny and Vinny did NOT do what most "fans" were already damning them for. They showed restraint by sticking to a set price they were willing to pay and refused to go over. THAT'S GOOD TEAM MANAGEMENT.

The fact is, Jason Campbell could be better than Jay Cutler in the first place... Culter played with a MUCH better offense around him last season including his offensive line (second fewest sacks) and his two elite receivers. Even though their tailbacks struggled with injuries as a team they still averaged 4.8 yards a carry and 15 touchdowns! Their running game was better than ours we scored less touchdowns and almost a half a yard less in rushing average.

There is just no evidence to support the idea that Jay Cutler is a better quarterback (nor that Jason Campbell is a better quarterback, but that's the point.) I just hope that Campbell's maturity shines through and that he has a great season and can be signed to a nice extension. It'd be a real shame if he had a good season and then split in part over this incident.

There is just no evidence to support the idea that Jay Cutler is a better quarterback (nor that Jason Campbell is a better quarterback, but that's the point.) I just hope that Campbell's maturity shines through and that he has a great season and can be signed to a nice extension. It'd be a real shame if he had a good season and then split in part over this incident.[/quote]

Yep and that real shame could happen thanks to Snider and all the fans that hate him. I think he will will stick it out though and prove people wrong.

There is just no evidence to support the idea that Jay Cutler is a better quarterback (nor that Jason Campbell is a better quarterback, but that's the point.)

Yes there is. For one there are the stats. Cutler has outperformed JC statistically thus far. Cutler is also two years younger than JC. But beyond the stats, anybody that had watched the two play can clearly see that Cutler is a superior qb to JC. Has a quicker release, stronger arm, goes through his reads faster, makes plays, etc.

I've been gone all day and haven't read this entire thread, so I'm not sure if this was covered.

Like I said this morning, JLC was the sole source of this rumor. He was even interviewed live on NFL Live at 4:00 PM EST.

ESPN, Clayton, Mort... everyone was relying entirely on what JLC was reporting.

Sooooo... Cutler and a 3rd round pick go to the Bears for Kyle Orton and two 1st round picks. Umm... JC is obviously a far better QB than Orton, so if Snyder wanted Cutler that bad, perhaps The Skins could have given up fewer picks. Just speculating, but that seems plausible. But based on the deal Denver made with Chicago, it doesn't appear Snyder wanted Cutler that bad.

If I was Snyder, damn right, I absolutely would've picked up the phone and asked Denver what they wanted for Cutler. That would be due diligence. And if Denver said they'd take JC and perhaps a 2nd day pick, I'd probably make that deal. Point is, it's not bad business to at least ask what Denver would want. Once they said a player and two 1st round picks... thanks and have a nice day. Oh... and good luck with Orton.

So I'm not going to assert that JLC was dead wrong about the Skins alleged inquiry of Cutler. But what I will say... it appears, once again, that JLC exaggerated this rumor to the highest degree and completely blew it out of control. Why? To get himself on SportsCenter again?

If the trade interest in Cutler was so high as JLC rumored, I still can't believe anyone at Redskins Park would leek such highly touted information like that to JLC, of all people. He said today on NFL Live the Skins would have Cutler signed by tonight. Guess what, JLC? Wrong again.

SkinsFreak wrote:Sooooo... Cutler and a 3rd round pick go to the Bears for Kyle Orton and two 1st round picks. Umm...

It's actually a 2009 1st, 2009 3rd, 2010 1st, and Orton for Cutler and a 2009 5th.

That is an insane price.

Yeah two first, a starting QB and a third is a BIG price to pay for a guy that I don't think is at all a sure thing for stardom.

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Sooooo... Cutler and a 3rd round pick go to the Bears for Kyle Orton and two 1st round picks. Umm...

It's actually a 2009 1st, 2009 3rd, 2010 1st, and Orton for Cutler and a 2009 5th.

That is an insane price.

NFL Network says - 2009 1st, 2009 3rd, 2010 1st, and Orton for Cutler and a 2009 5th.

ESPNEWS says - Cutler and a 3rd round pick go to the Bears for Kyle Orton and two 1st round picks

EDIT - NFL Network was right. ESPN has dumped Claytons report and are going with NFL Networks.
LOL

Like I said this morning, JLC was the sole source of this rumor. He was even interviewed live on NFL Live at 4:00 PM EST.

Actually he wasn't.

This was JLC's post from yesterday afternoon...

Posted at 2:17 PM ET, 04/ 1/2009
Skins' Position on Cutler Unchanged

At this point, our reporting gives us no reason to believe that anything has changed concerning the Redskins' thinking on Denver quarterback Jay Cutler. At the owners' meetings a week ago in California, Coach Jim Zorn said the team had no interest in Cutler. And Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations, said the same thing on March 17.

When Cutler-to-Washington rumors first surfaced, the Redskins told agents for the parties mentioned (Jason Campbell and Chris ey) that the rumors were unfounded and the team was not interested.

The fact that Cutler is now officially on the trade market does not appear to have changed matters, at this point.

The team has not yet responded to media inquiries since Denver owner Pat Bowlen said he'd pursue a trade for Cutler, with Cerrato hunkered down in draft meetings. As for the Broncos, a league source said they are sitting back and colllecting offers for now. "They are accepting bids and what happens next is a mystery," the source said.

We"ll continue to make calls, monitor the situation and pass along what we know.

The DC Examiner reported over a week ago that the Skins were going to go after Cutler. From the Examiner today...

Skins heavily pursuing Cutler

By John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer 4/2/09
The Redskins have stopped denying any interest in Jay Cutler, yet another signal that they are indeed pursuing the Denver Pro Bowl quarterback.

As initially reported in The Examiner two weeks ago, one executive with another team said that the Redskins were interested in Cutler, but the team spent the past two weeks denying the reports. Now multiple reports have the Redskins heavily pursuing Cutler, some suggesting a deal could be completed within a couple days.

Also, from Denver...

DENVER (CBS4) ―

CBS4 Broncos Insider Gary Miller has learned disgruntled quarterback Jay Cutler is expecting to be traded as soon as today. Sources tell Gary that Cutler believes he'll soon be a Washington Redskin.

The Denver Post also had stories up linking the Skins to Cutler before the WP...

From 3/31/09....

The Washington Redskins are among the leading candidates to pull off a deal for Cutler.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12040620

There were multiple sources for this story, started by the Examiner weeks ago. If anything, JLC and the Wash Post were late to this story. Can't really blame him for this one.

Kilmer72 wrote:

armchair scout wrote:Not sure how legitimate this is, but word is the trade is happening now:

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthr ... ost2682079

I'll believe it when I see it on Rotoworld.

That link is very funny. You guys really should check out what those Bronco fans expect to get for Cutler

Hey it turns out they weren't far off on their expectations. Two 1st's, a third and Orton. I especially like the Bronco fan who said:

"This excites me. Dan Snyder does not value his draft picks at all and will hand them out for anything. I'm definitely betting that we get a huge return for Cutler because he is going to Washington."

Don't we know it. Whew, sure am glad someone actually outbid Snyder for once.

fleetus wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

armchair scout wrote:Not sure how legitimate this is, but word is the trade is happening now:

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthr ... ost2682079

I'll believe it when I see it on Rotoworld.

That link is very funny. You guys really should check out what those Bronco fans expect to get for Cutler

Hey it turns out they weren't far off on their expectations. Two 1st's, a third and Orton. I especially like the Bronco fan who said:

"This excites me. Dan Snyder does not value his draft picks at all and will hand them out for anything. I'm definitely betting that we get a huge return for Cutler because he is going to Washington."

Don't we know it. Whew, sure am glad someone actually outbid Snyder for once.

Heh yeah, I'm glad the Bears won that battle. Those Bronco fans wanted Ladry and Portis and everyone we have plus picks. They were insane

CanesSkins26 wrote:There were multiple sources for this story, started by the Examiner weeks ago. If anything, JLC and the Wash Post were late to this story. Can't really blame him for this one.

Yeah dude, I know... every media outlet in the world reported it, and at one point, for the first time. But it specifically stemmed from JLC, weeks ago and then again this week. Did you even read the date on the Denver article you posted? JLC reported these rumors before that. When these rumors surfaced, the media outlets said... "according to the Washington Post."

But whatever... it's just like you to defend JLC with your posts.

Shut it down guys.....this thing is OVER....!!!

spudstr04 wrote:

SkinsSince96 wrote:The Bears traded there 1st rder this year, 3rd rder this year, 1st rder next year, and Kyle Orton for Cutler and a 5th rd pick. LOLLLLLLL

Are you serious??? Wow, I honestly can't believe that. If the Redskins would've given that up, I would've been pissed. Orton is a good player, but along with 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder, wow, just wow!

They are basically giving up 4 players for one.

They got a fifth rounder with Cutler, so it's 4 for 2.

tribeofjudah wrote:Shut it down guys.....this thing is OVER....!!!

and thank God. The Bears sold there soul and then some. I cant believe they gave all of that up. Im shocked. Two 1sts, a 3rd, and Orton for Cutler and a 5th. My God thats just dumb. Cutler better get the Bears back to the Super Bowl or this trade was just ignorant.

Deadskins wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:

SkinsSince96 wrote:The Bears traded there 1st rder this year, 3rd rder this year, 1st rder next year, and Kyle Orton for Cutler and a 5th rd pick. LOLLLLLLL

Are you serious??? Wow, I honestly can't believe that. If the Redskins would've given that up, I would've been pissed. Orton is a good player, but along with 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder, wow, just wow!

They are basically giving up 4 players for one.

They got a fifth rounder with Cutler, so it's 4 for 2.

I think he meant 4 for 1 because the 5th round pick probably wont make the team.

I find it funny they threw in a 5th round pick. Its like the Bears told Denver thats too much and Denver responded by saying well hell we can give you a 5th rder also. Then the Bears said damn its a deal. Sounds like a Cerrato/Snyder type of trade.

The Bears also signed Orlando Pace today. I just got off the phone with my Bears fan friend, and he is stoked.

Deadskins wrote:The Bears also signed Orlando Pace today. I just got off the phone with my Bears fan friend, and he is stoked.

If I was a Bears fan id be irate. Thats kinda shocking that he is stoked.

Why would you be irate?

Sure the Bears paid a steep price, but they're in a much better position than us to be highly competitive for the next couple years. They have a good running game, a good line, some young wide receivers and an excellent defense.

They could win the Superbowl. It's a lot to give up, but there's also a lot to be gained, including hype surrounding the team. That's worth a lot too.

And for the record you would not be irate you'd be stoked too. Getting a potential franchise QB (even if I'm not sold on him) is enough to send any fan to cloud 9.

Kilmer72 wrote:

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:This is completely fake, the Redskins already gave their statement, denying interest in Cutler, why should they give a statement every time they are associated with trade rumors that flare up, after they already did? Seriously, no one but JLC has pointed to a bit of evidence that isn't JLC's hearsay article. If he was right about this, they would have done the deal last night. on another topic though- I just got off the phone with an unnamed NFL source and he says we're trading Haynesworth and the 13th to Indianapolis for Peyton and a 6th rounder, and the trade is going down "as we speak". See, just that easy

I hope you are right about being completely fake.
You know it is driving me crazy but I would to state my opinion. Remember when Joe Gibbs came to town the first time? He came from Don Coryell and tried to make us a pass happy team. It didn't work so he went with what we had. We became a power house running team. This is the secret to being a successful Redskin team. When the posse came around we could pass on everyone because of the running game. This is all really about the offensive line, which we do not have. If you can not win in the trenches you will not win the game unless you are extremely lucky. Some of us want that qb Cutler. I don't. I like JC17. He is a decent qb. I see that he doesn't get rid of the ball in a three step drop really quick. I know that is what the west coast is all about. Did not Gibbs have a problem with his air Coryel game working? I say what you have to do is work with JC17 and build around him. Change you offense to suit him. He is here already. He prefers to be in a shotgun or roll out but Zorn wants him to avoid in the pocket and get rid of it quick. Why cant he just buy us time an extra second or two by rolling out like Joe T used to? Because we are stubborn and trying to make him something he is not. He is a class act off the field as well. Is JC more successful being forced to comply with the west coast? NO!!!!! Can he be the QB of the future? Yes!!!! Did he have people getting open running the right routs and not dropping balls? Could we block? I could go on and on but I don't want to write a novel.

Great Post

Skinsfan55 wrote:Why would you be irate?

Sure the Bears paid a steep price, but they're in a much better position than us to be highly competitive for the next couple years. They have a good running game, a good line, some young wide receivers and an excellent defense.

They could win the Superbowl. It's a lot to give up, but there's also a lot to be gained, including hype surrounding the team. That's worth a lot too.

And for the record you would not be irate you'd be stoked too. Getting a potential franchise QB (even if I'm not sold on him) is enough to send any fan to cloud 9.

Thats way to much to give up for a QB who has never won anything. They might win the NFC North but they wont get much farther than that. They also have no WRs at all. Not one of them would scare anybody.

I wouldnt be stoked lol. They gave up 2 1st rounders, a 3rd rounder, and a very solid QB. If im a Bears fan im ******.

At times like this, one must turn to the ones that really know ... the bookmakers ...

Latest odds show ... Bears 25/1 , Redskins 35/1

Manchester_Redskin wrote:At times like this, one must turn to the ones that really know ... the bookmakers ...

Latest odds show ... Bears 25/1 , Redskins 35/1

What were the Cardinals odds to get to the Super Bowl last April?

Anythings possible my fellow Redskin brother.