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Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

fire jim zorn? when.... well I just did it might not work. okay if zorn is back then the offense may have a few improvements made I certainly am not the one to make the call, but I am shy to say what type of problems the team may need to assess.
ie. playcalling, position or just personel probably the oline and a banged up one at that. I watched the game today and I still think that I could barf but won't appaerently I follow the offense during the game and see no way of challenging the defense........sortof stumped ya know maybe zorn has a few confessions of his own to make and will man up. I don't know what type of post game comments he has made and admit that the team on the feild may have some problemas but this bengals thing I put on the HC.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Well we have an owner who fosters ideals like this....How many coaches not named Gibbs got to coach a third year under Snyder??

Sounds good, the press likes to pound that theme, but let's go to the facts. Snyder fired exactly ONE coach before their third year. In fact, he only fired one coach ever that he hired. Wow, what a coach carousel wacko.

Norv, whom he did not hire, had like eight years to show that he's a great OC and a heck of a nice guy but blows as "The Man." And firing Marty really was an admission of his own mistake. He only hired Marty because everyone told him to hire a guy who would run the team and cut him out of the process. Whatever you think of Dan the Man, no owner would operate that way and Marty demonstrated himself to be a horses rear of a human being.

So, how exacly using facts instead of media hyped reputation does Snyder "foster ideals like this?"

What!! You have to count Norv....if Snyder had hired a coach when he brought the team I wouldn't count Norv...Norv didn't make it to Two.

Marty oneyear
SS two years

My math skills are limted but I believe that's three.

I have seen or heard of no vote of confidence for Zorn...Vinny was asked today and didn't anwser the question...only said Zorn is always being evaluted.

DEHog wrote:Marty oneyear
SS two years

Turner doesn't count, because he wasn't Snyder's hire; he was an inherited coach. When a new owner comes in, that owner absolutely has a right to pick their coach and get rid of the last one. In any case, Kaz's original point is:

In fact, he only fired one coach ever that he hired.

And he didn't hire Norv.

He DID elevate and fire Robiskie, however.

As for Spurrier, he wasn't fired, he resigned.

Spurrier called Snyder on Tuesday morning and offered his resignation, according to team spokesman Karl Swanson.

"It was totally unexpected," Swanson said, and Snyder accepted it with "much regret."

Spurrier's replacement will be the fifth head coach since Redskins owner Dan Snyder bought the team in 1999.

And if you still believe he really was fired, there's no way. If he was fired, he would have just taken the rest of his contract...but since he resigned, he voluntarily gave up the remaining 15 million on his contract.

Spurrier had three years remaining on his contract at a total of $15 million, but because he resigned he will get none of that money.

ya I know I hope if they keep him that he has o good Imean great Idea of what he needs in the offense, I am myself skeptical and a little excited. because the offense looked good at times and wasn't a completely crap, but when consistancy calls then we need to step up. I am very courious to see what he heke is or who the heke is going to step up in the following weeks.

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

SkinFan63 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

Zorn is just the fall guy

Zorn strikes me as the curious type he knows a great athlete and a good athlete and he could weed people out of his system. I believe that he needs some bruisers in the trenches not to say that I would forget about all the other oline/ dline treads but we have alot of talent on the team and thats nice. It will be interesting to see what happens to moss and cooley at the end of the year. I think to let go of moss would be good thing and to keep cooly would be a risk pocket book wise, and we should use davis and get some d-line/ o-line
all I am saying is that when the money is there for draft picks ect, we need to have a coach, a head coach and hey zorn could coach qbs in washington we afterall could always wind up watching #26 lite it up!

SkinFan63 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

He inherited a team that made the playoffs last year. This team is a darn good football team, however the play calling again was terrible on offense. Would it hurt to throw the ball down the field? I've seen enough in Zorn and he isn't the answer. No change on the offense play calling same thing week in and week out and we lost again this time to a team that had only one win.

tds would be nice

jeremyroyce wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

He inherited a team that made the playoffs last year. This team is a darn good football team, however the play calling again was terrible on offense. Would it hurt to throw the ball down the field? I've seen enough in Zorn and he isn't the answer. No change on the offense play calling same thing week in and week out and we lost again this time to a team that had only one win.

He did not inherit a playoff team, we went 5-7 under Campbell. No we did not make the playoffs with Campbell, Todd Collins came in and won four striaght games. He did not inherit a playoff team.

Yeah I'm trying to get used to rooting for a football team that can't score 20 pts. As fans we have to look at our part in this ...

#1. Fedex Field has been pathetic, and I'll take some blame because I haven't been to a game there (living in Nashville) our home field should be feared by opponents. But it is hard to cheer when your offense sucks, I understand.

#2. Our O-Line pretty much is garbage but you saw us move the ball at
times, with run and pass, Jason is not where he needs to be as a QB
and my question about him, and someone should ask Zorn this, can
Jason be better than he is right now? Has he peaked? Have we pretty
much seen what we will get if we make JC the undisputed starter for
the next 5-10 yrs? If the answer is yes, put Colt in.

#3. Rock Cartwright showed me something today. He is all heart.

John Manfreda wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

He inherited a team that made the playoffs last year. This team is a darn good football team, however the play calling again was terrible on offense. Would it hurt to throw the ball down the field? I've seen enough in Zorn and he isn't the answer. No change on the offense play calling same thing week in and week out and we lost again this time to a team that had only one win.

He did not inherit a playoff team, we went 5-7 under Campbell. No we did not make the playoffs with Campbell, Todd Collins came in and won four striaght games. He did not inherit a playoff team.

Did we release Collins?

SKINFAN wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

He inherited a team that made the playoffs last year. This team is a darn good football team, however the play calling again was terrible on offense. Would it hurt to throw the ball down the field? I've seen enough in Zorn and he isn't the answer. No change on the offense play calling same thing week in and week out and we lost again this time to a team that had only one win.

He did not inherit a playoff team, we went 5-7 under Campbell. No we did not make the playoffs with Campbell, Todd Collins came in and won four striaght games. He did not inherit a playoff team.

Did we release Collins?

Don't bring Collins in to this...this isn't Al Saunder's system anymore.

This is the same team, same running game and same ineffective "new" passing game. Only Diff. between the 2 teams are the QB. Don't get me wrong. JC17 needs to finish this season, win or lose we need to keep with him. Let him come out of this funk, or let him convince everyone that he is not the man for the job, put this issue to bed forever. Either way, we need to find out this season, not the next.

I think the point of Collins is to say that he inherited a playoff team, which I'm in agreement with as well.

I've been a Skins fan for over 40 years and have defended them in good and bad years, but it has become intolerable. I am embarassed at their play(or nonplay) After influencing my entire family to support them and they suffer through all the disappointment over the past 4 weeks, I have to say that the ownership better start getting serious about obtaining decent offensive and defensive lines and a QB who can make quick decisions when under pressure. Seems they are always under pressure on every play. I AM EMBARASSED TO BE A FAN AT THIS POINT. If this is unacceptable language for this comments section, then you are not willing to listen to constructive criticism and move on to securing a future winning team.

I fully expect to see Zorn back next year - I believe he will get another opportunity.

I also believe that we will be seeing a lot of changes on the field and on the sidelines - this continuity stuff is not working.

I hope there will be significant changes on the field because they stink.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

DaSkins24 wrote:Why does Zorn deserve to be fired after one year of mediocrity when Cerratto has led over years of mediocrity?

Bulls Eye.........GIVE ZORN A CHANCE MAN. Are we going to drop coaches and get new one EVERY YEAR.....

COME ON.........HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT....???

Zorn isn't the problem.
He's some of it, but he isn't the cancer eating away at this team.
He just inherited it.

He inherited a team that made the playoffs last year. This team is a darn good football team, however the play calling again was terrible on offense. Would it hurt to throw the ball down the field? I've seen enough in Zorn and he isn't the answer. No change on the offense play calling same thing week in and week out and we lost again this time to a team that had only one win.

He did not inherit a playoff team, we went 5-7 under Campbell. No we did not make the playoffs with Campbell, Todd Collins came in and won four striaght games. He did not inherit a playoff team.

Did we release Collins?

Don't bring Collins in to this...this isn't Al Saunder's system anymore.

QFT. Anyone can learn an 800 page playbook when you have been in the system for 10 yrs.

Said Portis after the game: “We’ve got to find a way to win. The loss was [the players’] fault. We’ve got to go out there and execute better. You can’t put this on the coaches. That was us on the field.

“They won the turnover battle. They converted on third down and managed clock control in the fourth quarter. Those are the ways to win games, and that’s what they did.”

Added Campbell: “We anticipated that we would play at a high level and put some points on the board, but we came up short. One thing you know about games in the NFL: turnovers will always get you.

Yes, the teams struggles are frustrating, but Zorn hasn't been the one to lose fumbles, get stupid penalties, miss blocks, miss tackles, shank punts, kick 'kick-offs' out of bounds, miss field goals... etc. The players still have to execute. Zorn will be here next year and he deserves to be.

SkinsFreak wrote:Yes, the teams struggles are frustrating, but Zorn hasn't been the one to lose fumbles, get stupid penalties, miss blocks, miss tackles, shank punts, kick 'kick-offs' out of bounds, miss field goals... etc. The players still have to execute. Zorn will be here next year and he deserves to be.

His play calling at the goal line was abysmal.

I agree that the play calling leaves a lot to be desired but the fact is the execution of those plays was even worse in my opinion. Zorn's playcalling does not involve the defense and this team's defense yesterday was not up to standard either.

The team played badly in many facets of the game including both players and coaches. But primarily the effort yesterday by the players was really bad. We are going to have some new faces next year and I will be very surprised if either of our kickers is here.

When you have plays that don't work in a game, you call different plays. When you have plays that don't work for months.. YOU TAKE THEM OUT OF THE FREAKIN PLAYBOOK